Governors sending illegal immigrants to sanctuary cities

[mrmaczaps]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

When Biden does it it's ok, he's the good guy here. And if he caught doing something shady... um... at least it's not Trump right?

It all makes sense now. Make Trump so big of a pariah that no matter what **** the next guy does (in this case Biden), people can just ignore it and say 'at least it's not Trump'.

If not for double standards, the lunatic left wouldn't have any at all.

[AquaParade]

Calling this a stunt doesn’t make it bad. Sometimes you need to make a point.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by AquaParade

Calling this a stunt doesn’t make it bad. Sometimes you need to make a point.

that the so called 'sanctuary cities' are full of virtue signaling nonsense. fl and texas called them on their bluff.

[AquaParade]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

that the so called 'sanctuary cities' are full of virtue signaling nonsense. fl and texas called them on their bluff.

Yes, 100%.

The Left preaches to these people for their votes and nothing more.

[Leo656]

And the Right does nothing but whip up hysteria among the Bible-thumpers, it's all the same sh*t it's just a matter of whether you prefer your trash in a red can or a blue one.

Real Life exists in between polar extremes, but current-day politics is nothing BUT polar extremes and that's why things are only gonna get worse and not better. "YOU guys are Satan!" "No, YOU!" It's stupid. And so is anyone who sincerely thinks "their side" are the good guys.

When the cameras are off, these suits all go to the same coke-and-hookers parties. They're not really enemies, they don't believe in any of the sh*t they say they do, they don't practice the same values they insist other people live by under their legislation... it's like watching pro wrestling, these people are playing characters and if you think it's sincere you're an ignorant redneck, end of story. It's all about manipulating emotions to trigger a response.

2022 and we STILL need to point this out to people, that's what drives me crazy. Nobody in the 1% is your friend and it doesn't matter whether they wear a red tie or a blue one. It's f*cking theater, it's show biz. Jesus.

[ChosenOne]

There he goes again about the Bible and religion even though no one brought it up. Telling.

[Andrew NDB]

Well, the sentiment isn't entirely wrong. The Republican party invariably brings religion into things sooner or later when it really doesn't need to and keeps killing any chance of changing minds. Republicans could talk about anything that centrists might agree with about the border, about taxes, or how children shouldn't be mutilated and transed... but as soon as it becomes "And this is against God!" then to anyone who is a "hard atheist" they are now a crazy person (or at the very least suffering from delusion) and anything they said prior to that, even if it got through to them, is now invalidated.

Which is not to say that Republicans need to not be religious, it is to say them bringing religion into their rhetoric hasn't and isn't going to help them reach across the aisle. Which is what they really should be trying to do.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by ChosenOne

There he goes again about the Bible and religion even though no one brought it up. Telling.

It's concrete proof of who the Stupidest People are.

God has nothing to do with Religion. "Christians" don't read the Bible. They spew their own bigotry and claim "That's what God told them to think." Except when you pop that book open and disprove it. Then they screech and say "DON'T TELL ME WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS!" even when it literally says in black and white that they're wrong.

There might be a God, and I allow for that possibility. But anyone who practices organized religion of any kind is a Provable F*cking Moron and they're too dumb to have any say in anything, let alone force people to fall in lockstep behind them. Religion Is A Cult. I can say it louder if you like. The fact that you've apparently been indoctrinated into said cult doesn't change the fact that it IS, in fact, a cult, Kirstie Alley.

The Republican Party of Right Now is nothing but the Christian Taliban. They weasel their way into people's favor by promising "small government" and then they flip flop and demand that their values become Everyone's Values. You have idiots like Boebert screeching about "The U.S. SHOULD be a Christian Nationalist country!" when freedom of religion (and also FROM religion) was THE predominant principle this country was founded on in the first place. They're a scam. "Small government", but they wanna criminalize gay marriage and ban contraceptives, because "The Bible" says those things are bad. AND IT DOESN'T EVEN ACTUALLY SAY THAT! "Religious" people literally just make sh*t up, it's lunacy. If people wanna be bigots, they can do so on their own time, not try and make bigotry National Policy.

I have just as much to say about how retarded hardline Democrats are - and OH BOY are they - but at LEAST most Liberals have the good sense to be Agnostic, if not outright Atheist. They don't hold their entire value system on what they *think* they read once upon a time in a fairy-tale book.

Seriously, can anyone who actually practices ANY religion go ahead and put me on Block/Ignore already? I don't really like being confronted with that kind if stupidity. I'm not saying "people who believe in God", that's fine. I mean Religion, which is a Cult. I can tolerate people who say "I believe in God but it's more of a personal thing." I cannot and will not tolerate people who say "I am a (Insert Religion Here)." I don't willingly engage with openly ignorant people who wear ignorance on their sleeve like a badge.

I mean c'mon, I'm being "scolded" by someone from f*cking Portugal, which jokes aside, has the notoriety of being both incredibly Christian and incredibly under-educated, according to Google. Funny, that's how it works over here, too! The more Bibles there are in any one place, the dumber people are, like Texas and Mississippi. It's literally 1:1. Gimme a f*cking break. Only very stupid people get their values from fairy tales, past the age of 5. Grow up.

I didn't make it a rule that "All Religious People Are Morons" but it IS an easily-proven fact, so if you take issue with it, maybe try reading Actual Books once in a while and shake off the indoctrination. Just a thought. I know you won't, but at least I can say I tried.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Well, the sentiment isn't entirely wrong. The Republican party invariably brings religion into things sooner or later when it really doesn't need to and keeps killing any chance of changing minds. Republicans could talk about anything that centrists might agree with about the border, about taxes, or how children shouldn't be mutilated and transed... but as soon as it becomes "And this is against God!" then to anyone who is a "hard atheist" they are now a crazy person (or at the very least suffering from delusion) and anything they said prior to that, even if it got through to them, is now invalidated.

Which is not to say that Republicans need to not be religious, it is to say them bringing religion into their rhetoric hasn't and isn't going to help them reach across the aisle. Which is what they really should be trying to do.

100%.

I agree with Conservatives about a great many things. But when they start playing the whole "God Empowered Me!" game I know for a fact I'm listening to a f*cking lunatic.

They're in my own family, too. I've mentioned this before, my niece insists she's got it all figured out. "God hates _________." Pop open a Bible, show her where it either says the OPPOSITE of what she believes, or nothing at all, and she flips out. Even her mother thinks she's an idiot, and her mother is also Catholic. She just also knows a cult when she sees one.

I'm of the mind that God is a possibility but he's not the one in any books, and he probably hates those people for all the sh*t they do and say in his name.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I have just as much to say about how retarded hardline Democrats are - and OH BOY are they - but at LEAST most Liberals have the good sense to be Agnostic, if not outright Atheist. They don't hold their entire value system on what they *think* they read once upon a time in a fairy-tale book.

And look where that's gotten them.

Yikes. And more yikes.

[Leo656]

Only the Lunatic Fringe, just like the Right. All Extremists Are Lunatics.

I've got tons of Conservative friends/family and tons of Liberal friends/family, and none of them can understand just where the extremists in their own party came from or why they believe the nonsense they believe. Most Liberals I know think talking to 5-year olds about being trans is retarded and wrong. Most Conservatives I know have no problem with abortion or gay people or non-whites. In Real Life, MOST people are centrists who lean a little bit one way or the other, such as myself.

The problem is, right now only the extremists have the mic and they're the ones who can set policy. Polls show that MOST people on either "side" feel like they don't even recognize their own political party anymore and are worried about the future if things stay on course. "These people no longer represent my values." That's real, and it's how most people feel no matter what their political persuasion. But nobody "up top" is listening, they're too busy whipping up a feeding frenzy.

[Vegita-San]

Fun fact. the Bible was most likely written by a homeless person on the street looking for a better life for himself.

I tend to be conservative. Convince me with a good argument that it's a good idea, maybe I'll change my mind. Maybe I won't. but you can't just s ay 'mu feelings' and expect a positive response.

I sometimes think Republicans bring up religion to antagonize the opposition. with them distracted over nonsense, better chance of getting things past them

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Only the Lunatic Fringe, just like the Right. All Extremists Are Lunatics.

Call them the fringe all you want. Meanwhile they're busy re-writing school textbooks, still bringing in the drag queens into the classrooms and changing real policies in the most horrible ways. The right isn't doing anything like that.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

Fun fact. the Bible was most likely written by a homeless person on the street looking for a better life for himself.

I tend to be conservative. Convince me with a good argument that it's a good idea, maybe I'll change my mind. Maybe I won't. but you can't just s ay 'mu feelings' and expect a positive response.

I sometimes think Republicans bring up religion to antagonize the opposition. with them distracted over nonsense, better chance of getting things past them

100%. They recognize that those people are very easily persuaded and won't do a lot of fact-checking. They have their own preexisting beliefs, and they willingly fall in lockstep behind anyone who will loudly claim to feel exactly the same way. "Religious" people are incredibly easy to manipulate and exploit, because they are ignorant and proud of it; just look at Scientology, and how many otherwise-rational people fall into THAT cult. "They got me to stop doing drugs!" Yeah, so does any reputable rehab center, OR you can just not do drugs to begin with, it doesn't mean these people have divine powers, for f*cks' sake. But people fall for it!

Republicans used to have other things they could trumpet, but now all they have is the whole "We were chosen by God!" thing, and most of them don't even believe it, or at least they don't live it. So many of them scream "family values" while cheating on their wives with any number of mistresses. It'd be funny if it wasn't disgusting.

I'm pretty much conservative with regard to matters of economics and immigration and liberal on many social issues. I don't care who marries who or who's f*cking who and I don't think it's anybody's business. Some of my beliefs are VERY right-leaning, such as we really ought to give drug dealers the death penalty, and furthermore, those executions should be public as a deterrent. In fact, all executions should be; worked "back in the day". But there are plenty of things I'm much more liberal about, like if you sincerely hate gay people in 2022 I think you need f*cking therapy.

Real Life isn't black or white (or Red or Blue). It's all shades of gray, or "purple" as the case may be. That's why "down the line" people who only vote by Party rather than on specific issues drive me crazy. Being a "Republican" or "Democrat" doesn't make anyone a good person, and in fact, it's just one more religion, another label to divide people.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Call them the fringe all you want. Meanwhile they're busy re-writing school textbooks, still bringing in the drag queens into the classrooms and changing real policies in the most horrible ways. The right isn't doing anything like that.

It's SUCH a small percentage of their party, though.

A poll I read the other day said that as many as 70-80% of ALL American adults are against "drag queen story hour" and "pushing gay/trans on kids". Those numbers suggest that most Liberals think it's bullsh*t, too, just like you. They're afraid to speak out about how they really feel because they don't want to be "J.K. Rowling'ed".

From the flip side, those same polls ALSO say that most Republicans ae NOT in favor of banning those "questionable" books from schools, for example, they just don't want kids younger than a certain age to have access to them. But just like the Liberals who are against Drag Queen Story Hour, they stay quiet because they don't want to become pariahs among "their own group". Neither party allows for anyone to take a moderate position anymore, but most people don't like that.

Most conservatives AND liberals in this country feel like the politicians holding the mic for their party are taking things way too far. So it's disingenuous to say only one side is being nutty when the common rabble universally feels under-represented across the board. Most conservatives are against book-banning. Most liberals think 5 is too young for Sex Ed of any kind. The only people pushing for those things are lunatics. And "being a lunatic" holds NO political affiliation, it's a mental disorder that exists independently of other labels.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Leo656

You have idiots like Boebert screeching about "The U.S. SHOULD be a Christian Nationalist country!" when freedom of religion (and also FROM religion) was THE predominant principle this country was founded on in the first place.

Everything else about the post this section comes from I absolutely agree with, but I have to pull you up about this. Nothing has changed in 400 years, that’s the sad truth. The reason those people left England on ships such as the Mayflower and landed in “the new world” in 1620 wasn’t because they were being persecuted for their religion. It was because the government of the time under James I outlawed their prejudices and religious persecution of others, including punishment and torture. They literally left because they weren’t allowed to do what is happening right now, and has for centuries before, demonise others for not being Christian enough, or Christian at all.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Everything else about the post this section comes from I absolutely agree with, but I have to pull you up about this. Nothing has changed in 400 years, that’s the sad truth. The reason those people left England on ships such as the Mayflower and landed in “the new world” in 1620 wasn’t because they were being persecuted for their religion. It was because the government of the time under James I outlawed their prejudices and religious persecution of others, including punishment and torture. They literally left because they weren’t allowed to do what is happening right now, and has for centuries before, demonise others for not being Christian enough, or Christian at all.

You can have them back now?

[Leo656]

That's very interesting if true, as Over Here they teach you the opposite. From pretty much First Grade on, they teach in American History that the Church of England was oppressive and archaic and that more free-spirited people uprooted and came over here so they could be as religious or not as they felt like. They illustrate this by pointing out what a melting pot of religions and independent beliefs modern America is, and how this isn't something you see anywhere else in the world because everywhere else is so much less tolerant.

I can see how what you say could also be true, though, and it would definitely explain a lot. I'm just saying that must be one of those things "America" as an entity is very deeply ashamed of, because from Age 6 they tell you this country was founded by settlers who didn't want to be locked into any one belief system at all.

Very interesting. I guess it's one of those things where later on they figured out how things "should" be regarding freedom of religion, and they just pretend the "Early Installment Weirdness" didn't happen.

Regardless, by the time of the drafting of the Constitution it was pretty well-decided that there should be no Official State Religion and that's the way it's supposed to be. People who want America to be a "Christian Nationalist Nation" are plain and simply anti-American.

[AquaParade]

Both the left and right have gone nuts but more so the left as of late. It doesn’t help that they seem to have 90% of mainstream media and Hollywood on their side. That’s what makes it worth pointing out.

It’s weird that people are so quick to call out Fox but not to the same degree as CNN. At least until recently, imo. Anecdotal, but that’s what I’ve seen.

[Leo656]

I disagree the Left is "worse". They're not the ones saying every woman who goes to the hospital for a miscarriage should get the Spanish inquisition, or that gay people can't get married, or that pharmacies shouldn't have to sell you condoms if they take personal exception to it, or that pregnant women shouldn't be allowed to travel out of state, or...

The Left is "worse" if you REALLY hate gay/trans people and think your kid being exposed to them will "make them catch teh gay", but I'd argue that right now the Right is more offsides about things that Actually Matter. As in "bigger problems than a black mermaid."

Y'all know I rail HARD against the Left about force-feeding people "identity politics" and how they used the pandemic as a tool to garner favor, and sh*t like that. But I think when you have "fire and brimstone" people on the Right talking openly about taking over the entire government and "f*ck anyone who isn't wearing a crucifix" I think the pendulum has swing too far the other way, and I think those things have more serious consequences for a lot more people, in general.

Basically, as of Right Now, I think the Dumb Sh*t the Right is saying/doing is worse than the Dumb Sh*t the Left is saying/doing. That tends to shift, as last year it was the opposite. Nothing is ever concrete.