Avengers The Kang Dynasty

[Galactus]

We don't know how true it will be to the comic story of the same name but you could tell that story with almost any combination of Avengers. Strangely of all the talk about the roster I haven't seen anyone anywhere mention we've got an 80s Avengers mainstays in the MCU now.

Monica Rambeau
Namor
Sersi
Black Knight
She-Hulk
Hercules
Moon Knight
Vision (white variant)
Wanda will certainly be back and we've got Wonder Man incoming.

I imagine if they can tempt RDJ and/or Chris Evans back they will save them for Secret Wars.

[member_removed]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Guess, recasting Kang is in the works, or they just hope that Majors won't be ruined though and through.

Drop him and recast, He'll be box office poison, see Eraz Miller.

Originally Posted by sdp

This movie as will underperform unless they have a ticket selling gimmick like RDJ returning or something.

Even the return of Michael Keaton isn't helping at DC. But I would assume RDJ returning would be a much bigger deal.

Just recast, Unless Majors has an Iron clad contract. Like a 4-5 movie pay or play deal. But I can't see Disney offering him an A-list salary anyways.

[ZariusTwo]

No Marvel Studios panel at Comic Con Hall H this year

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/mo...on-1235520144/

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

No Marvel Studios panel at Comic Con Hall H this year

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/mo...on-1235520144/

It must be to protect people from the misogyny. There is no other explanation.

[Sumac]

And now it is without a director.
Ouch.

[TheCanadiandrome]

It could be without a lot of things soon lol. Marvel is a goddamn mess atm

[Sumac]

Majors is basically finished (as an actor and a respectable person).
So, its either recast or rewrite.

[Andrew NDB]

Recast. With all the variant crap it wouldn't even be hard to come up with an in-story explanation for why he suddenly looks different. And hell, we still haven't even met the "Real" Kang yet.

"I don't deserve it. I should just kill myself." Yeesh.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Recast. With all the variant crap it wouldn't even be hard to come up with an in-story explanation for why he suddenly looks different. And hell, we still haven't even met the "Real" Kang yet.

"I don't deserve it. I should just kill myself." Yeesh.

Good. Let him follow the same rules as everybody else. They sure don't hesitate to fire someone 'on the wrong side of history' when they **** up. Do to the same to 'one of their own'.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Majors is basically finished (as an actor and a respectable person).
So, its either recast or rewrite.

Yikes! Wow, just wow

[Sumac]

I'd prefer if they removed Kang entirely.
I don't know about comic books, but even I new who Thanos and Doom are. This guy...not so much.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Sumac

I'd prefer if they removed Kang entirely.
I don't know about comic books, but even I new who Thanos and Doom are. This guy...not so much.

I feel about him like the Inhumans. With the Inhumans, I know they're a big force in Marvel and had a failed TV show... but I don't know anything about them in the comics or anything so I don't care beyond knowing I probably would care if I knew more about them. Same with Kang. I don't know anything about him other than I know he's a big deal in the comics and now Jonathan Majors is causing toxicity problems for the character.

I mean, they've already committed to things steering towards a full-on Kang thing so they can't just suddenly be like, "Nah, just kidding." But what they can do is now make the "full-on Kang thing" just a side thing on the way to a bigger thing with Dr. Doom or Galactus or something.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Originally Posted by Sumac

I'd prefer if they removed Kang entirely.
I don't know about comic books, but even I new who Thanos and Doom are. This guy...not so much.

Yea same with me

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by TheCanadiandrome

Yea same with me

Oh boy, this is going to be fun to explain. Short version, he is the alleged descendant of Reed Richards and/or Doctor Doom and because he's a time traveller with the whole "advanced technology might as well be magic" thing going on, he keeps running into himself from different eras using different aliases to reflect his current ideals and can come into conflict with them. You can kind of think of him as the Doctor from Doctor Who if he couldn't get along with his various incarnations.

Now for the weird stuff. He has had these various identities and may have even more:

1. Iron Lad
2. Kid Immortus
3. Rama-Tut
4. Scarlet Centurion
5. Kang
6. Mister Gryphon
7. Doctor Doom (don't worry, Victor Von Doom is a separate character)
8. Victor Timely
9. Immortus (not quite the same as Kid Immortus)

In order for all of this to make sense, they explain that he tends to get mindwiped, split into paradox copies and simply reverts back to previous alter egos. Oh and of course, he also meets straight up alternate reality counterparts of himself who are not part of the time travel thing but have their own time travel thing going on. And because the Scarlet Centurion has a counterpart as an enemy of the Squadron Supreme, who are themselves pastiches of the Justice League, it's possible he's also a pseudo-counterpart to Metron, Chronos, Per Degaton, Thawne or Vandal Savage. Then there is also bizarre nonsense like how he was used to retcon the Vision from simply being an android created by Ultron, to instead being… Ugh… A time travel paradox duplicate of the original Human Torch reprogrammed with a copy of Wonder Man's mind as his AI.

Spoiler:

A bit of a tangent here, as annoying as the retcons regarding Vision's origin (I really doubt anyone would have felt Vision was less interesting if he was just a creation of Ultron with no other additional connections to other characters), what really irks me is the fact that they didn't bother to make the one the connection they should have. The Vision is very clearly based on a previous Golden Age character that is also called Vision, has a similar design and even similar powers. Despite the very obvious similarities, it has never been explained why Silver Age Vision resembles Golden Age Vision so much, yet they still arbitrarily chose to make him a duplicate of two other characters who he didn't need to be connected to at all.

The MCU seems to have simplified all this to just make the alternate versions of him alternate universe counterparts instead of the same exact person travelling through time, but he is still a weird choice because the mere fact that the entire gimmick is about him having alternate counterparts, will invariably make things complicated.

The whole thing about the alternate identities also means that if you are only familiar with Marvel through adaptations, you'd probably never know this guy is in Earth's Mightiest Heroes, X-Men TAS and X-Men Evolution, simply because he uses different identities in each.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by neatoman

The whole thing about the alternate identities also means that if you are only familiar with Marvel through adaptations, you'd probably never know this guy is in both Earth's Mightiest Heroes, X-Men TAS and X-Men Evolution, simply because he uses different identities in each.

Explain? I don't remember him in X-Men TAS or Evolution?

[Sumac]

I feel like all this venture in the multiverse was to establish Kang. But Marvel did such a ****** job with it, so they barely established it beyond a useless gimmick and failed to establish Kang as serious and a persistent threat, unlike Thanos.

In general, from what I've read, Kang is so confusing as a character, its better to replace him with someone less confusing.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Explain? I don't remember him in X-Men TAS or Evolution?

IN Apocalypse's backstory episode in ancient Egypt, Kang appears in his rama tut incarnation.No mention of him also being kang.

https://x-menevolution.fandom.com/wiki/Rama-Tut

[neatoman]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Explain? I don't remember him in X-Men TAS or Evolution?

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

IN Apocalypse's backstory episode in ancient Egypt, Kang appears in his rama tut incarnation.No mention of him also being kang.

https://x-menevolution.fandom.com/wiki/Rama-Tut

Yup. As for X-Men TAS, he's in the episode "End and Beginning" in which he first shows up as a seemingly original character but right at the end her turns into his Immortus Persona. X-Men TAS was a bit weird about using other Marvel characters, Spider-Man TAS may have used the X-Men from X-Men TAS for several episodes but X-Men TAS itself was only allowed to show Spider-Man's hand.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Sumac

I feel like all this venture in the multiverse was to establish Kang. But Marvel did such a ****** job with it, so they barely established it beyond a useless gimmick and failed to establish Kang as serious and a persistent threat, unlike Thanos.

In general, from what I've read, Kang is so confusing as a character, its better to replace him with someone less confusing.

Honestly if they wanted to do that, we needed some Thanos-ish scenes here and there to tie em together.

Like Dr. Strange's movie dealt with the multiverse directly. They really needed some end-scene or cameo of Kang saying something like 'the poor fools don't know what they're trifling with'.

Of course that would only have made things more awkward when the actor would get in trouble years later.....

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Sumac

I feel like all this venture in the multiverse was to establish Kang. But Marvel did such a ****** job with it, so they barely established it beyond a useless gimmick and failed to establish Kang as serious and a persistent threat, unlike Thanos.

In general, from what I've read, Kang is so confusing as a character, its better to replace him with someone less confusing.

And the Quantumania appearance didn't even make sense. If you're a Kang from the Quantum Realm within a certain Earth, doesn't that still make you the Kang of that Earth? And if we're to believe other Kangs weren't created until female Loki killed him at the End of Time, how was the Quantum Realm Kang stranded there for so long?