Indiana Jones 5 Announced For 2019

[Roseangelo]

Tentative plans to see this on Tuesday.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Roseangelo

Tentative plans to see this on Tuesday.

I went to an early screening last night. These things used to be called "midnight screenings", but nowadays when a movie opens on a Friday you get like 5 screens showing it on Thursday starting at 3 pm. Back in the day every movie like this one had almost sold out screenings of all of the Thursday showtimes. Last night? There were 6 people in the theater - two of us and a family of four.

Indiana Jones is one of my deepest fandoms and heroes - literally a life long thing. I want these to be a success, but.... eh.... I don't know if anyone should pay to see this movie.

Curious to see what you think of it.

[Andrew NDB]

I'm interested to see how it will do. If it fails, unfortunately I think the wrong lessons will be immediately learned from it.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I'm interested to see how it will do. If it fails, unfortunately I think the wrong lessons will be immediately learned from it.

And Harrison Ford has been doing his press tour so staunchly and so proudly of the movie, but I can't wrap my head around how even he seems to be disregarding the complete lack of narrative journey of the character here.

He starts the movie literally as a depressed old man who can't identify with the era he is in. And he ends the movie in utter defeat of his place in life where even the epilogue itself resolves nothing. It's a nice enough sunset to be with his wife; but against a backdrop of depressing city living for a tenured college professor, amidst depressing circumstances, and basically just two people deciding to be depressed together.

It's not a golden send off - it's a narrative disaster. And the utter failure in how the events are resolved that bring Indy to the epilog are like... "what?!?"

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by IMJ

And Harrison Ford has been doing his press tour so staunchly and so proudly of the movie, but I can't wrap my head around how even he seems to be disregarding the complete lack of narrative journey of the character here.

It's the same thing as Patrick Stewart making the rounds saying how proud he is of Picard season 1 and 2, and how it's such powerful stuff and Brexit and Trump so sorely needed to be brought to the forefront in it and so on. They're dumb actors.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It's the same thing as Patrick Stewart making the rounds saying how proud he is of Picard season 1 and 2, and how it's such powerful stuff and Brexit and Trump so sorely needed to be brought to the forefront in it and so on. They're dumb actors.

Sad how Trump literally broke everyone in 2016. If you hate the guy, fine, but keep him out of media. No references or in-jokes or 'Trump-ish' stand-ins. Just stop. I remember a time where they said they wouldn't parody or insult him because he's such a clown he's doing a good job of insulting himself all on his own... and yet they still couldn't help themselves.

It's like on one side you got the MAGA wackos that see him as The Second Coming, but on the other side you got the other type of wacko, the type that needs to constantly remind everyone around them (as well as themselves) that they hate Trump for reasons they probably don't even know anymore.

We get it. You hate or love the guy. Move the **** one. Especially the nutjobs working in the media.

[IMJ]

Make no mistake - the leftist litmus test is intentionally in this movie. But thankfully the litmus test elements are organic to "Indiana Jones" as a character, but in this movie they emphasize it a bit to appease the liberal-nuts.

For example, Indy hate's Nazi's and he helps immigrants come to the country (he helps Sallah and his family become U.S. citizens). Of course, these things are normal components to Indiana Jones, but they really make sure they put it out there. So there are two truths - it's organic and not problematic at all but it's presented as a series of overt, overt virtue-signals so that even the most obtuse complainer can't miss it.

And that mental algebra for the peasant thinker is - Indiana Jones is of the old "boomer guard" but he clearly hates Nazi's and his Arabic friend is an immigrant because of Indy so Indy isn't an "evil Boomer". So Indy gets a "social pass".

Of course nuance is important and I don't object to these things, but I also sensed them there in the movie under repetition and obtuse force so as not to be missed.

[Andrew NDB]

Saw "Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny." I was really concerned about this one but I think it turned out OK. Most of the things I was worried about going in ended up not bothering me as much as I thought they would, and the big payoff at the end made me forgive a lot of other little things. The only thing I didn't dig or agree with at all was killing off Mutt. It's just completely unnecessary and is used just for cheap tear-jerking dialogue. And Boyd Holbrook's character definitely has his whole character subplot cut out of the movie, for sure. They kept teasing that he was somehow different than the others in the group, and not a nazi, but then it goes nowhere. Also, didn't really care for the kid who learns to fly an airplane in 3 minutes. If they wanted to add a Short Round-like character into the mix so bad (and I don't think his character was needed at all, it was enough with god daughter taking up a lot of the breathing room), why not just bring back Short Round? That would have been great.

Spoiler:

Also... so Archimedes DID account for continental shift? Since it turns out his plan was always to bring someone to him from the future? How would he have done that?

[TheCanadiandrome]

Originally Posted by Roseangelo

Tentative plans to see this on Tuesday.

Tentative plans to see this Monday with a friend! Let's hope we both enjoy it

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Saw "Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny." I was really concerned about this one but I think it turned out OK. Most of the things I was worried about going in ended up not bothering me as much as I thought they would, and the big payoff at the end made me forgive a lot of other little things. The only thing I didn't dig or agree with at all was killing off Mutt. It's just completely unnecessary and is used just for cheap tear-jerking dialogue. And Boyd Holbrook's character definitely has his whole character subplot cut out of the movie, for sure. They kept teasing that he was somehow different than the others in the group, and not a nazi, but then it goes nowhere. Also, didn't really care for the kid who learns to fly an airplane in 3 minutes. If they wanted to add a Short Round-like character into the mix so bad (and I don't think his character was needed at all, it was enough with god daughter taking up a lot of the breathing room), why not just bring back Short Round? That would have been great.

Spoiler:

Also... so Archimedes DID account for continental shift? Since it turns out his plan was always to bring someone to him from the future? How would he have done that?

There was the dialog where she explains to Indy in the cave how she got together with the kid. It was, obnoxiously, the exact same story as how Shorty wound up with Indy, but Indy says nothing - no mention of Short Round. Only - "I thought all you were interested in was money".

[Barkworm]

Given the gargantuan budget the film had (close to 300 million) the early tracking for the weekend and the Friday estimates (basically the same as The Flash) look like this is going to be the next big boxoffice bomb. What a sad way to go for this franchise.

[IMJ]

It's completely sad, man.

And you know that the studio isn't going to acknowledge their missteps. The strange "Kathleen Kennedy-style psychology" that crept into the movie. Or the strange editing. Or the lack of character journey for Indy. Or how about the odd moments where the "Indiana Jones Hero Theme" starts to play during moments that result in nothing happening (that was weird).

Instead they will say that "we tried our best but clearly Indiana Jones is a thing that has come and gone without younger people embracing it".

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by IMJ

"Kathleen Kennedy-style psychology"

At this point its obvious KK suffers from enormous inferiority complex. Which is probably given, since she was in shadow of such giants as Spielberg and Lucas, but still. She tries to prove her self-worth and have her revenge by getting her self-inserts in the movies, where they don't belong and those movies end up in ****, which I guess don't enhance her self-worth.

Her movies are trash, but her story makes her one heck of tragic villain.

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Sad how Trump literally broke everyone in 2016.

I find it hilarious. Despite media and corporations at large still spouting their propaganda leftards act like it was the end of the world for them. It almost like they incapable of admitting or analyzing their defeats, without resorting to typical loser talk "it was evil Russia conspiracy / it was hidden Nazis in CIA / everyone is US are bigot" and so on. They are childish freaky losers.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

The movie was okay, the first half-hour was amazing buuuut.....

Look, I don't like believing conspiracy theories, like the one about the reshoots and the original ending where she replaces Indy in the past. But... everything after the punch felt like a bolted-on reshoot, a last minute tacked-on happy ending to save their butts when the original cut wasn't well received by test audiences. Like IMJ said, Indy had no arc, and the ending felt very tacked on. I'm not so sure the conspiracy ending is a conspiracy anymore.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by sdp

I don't know why people are surprised this isn't doing big numbers, Indiana Jones is barely a franchise. It had 3 movies in the 80s and disappeared. If it had been that big it would've had movies in the 90s and people wouldn't have forgotten about the IP.

Indiana had the "Young Jones" series in the 90s, (Lucas had the prequel bug way before Phantom Menace), and there were a lot of video games and tie-in comics that decade also, there was always talk of a fourth Indy movie in development at the time but for one reason or another Harrison just wasn't available or something else happened.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Indiana had the "Young Jones" series in the 90s, (Lucas had the prequel bug way before Phantom Menace), and there were a lot of video games and tie-in comics that decade also, there was always talk of a fourth Indy movie in development at the time but for one reason or another Harrison just wasn't available or something else happened.

Ford was ALWAYS down for more Indiana Jones, so it had to have been a Lucas thing. George Lucas wrote exactly the number of Indiana Jones movies he wanted to prior to the Disney sale and there would never and couldn't have been one without him, as Spielburg wouldn't have done it without him.

[CyberCubed]

I don't know, even back in 2008 the Indiana Jones franchise felt "ancient" to me and I was surprised they were bringing it back. Ironically enough that was 15 years ago now.

[Autbot_Benz]

I was reading what some people were saying about how Indy is in this movie and I see the KK curse continues.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

I was reading what some people were saying about how Indy is in this movie and I see the KK curse continues.

https://i.imgur.com/1ZIVJYS.jpg

Her fingers were definitely all over this movie. You can tell.

[Dpooly84]

If they would have made a 80 year old Indy and Mutt movie it would have snapped! But kk gonna kk ask Luke lol