Donald Trump Hush money trial

[Mayhem]

Eyes down for a full (court) house, the Trump civil trial bingo card is in session.

Have to admit, in between all the other news, maybe it wasn’t broadcast very widely (hah so called MSM bias, not there), that I hadn’t seen Trump last week had been found guilty of inflating his worth and his NY certificates revoked. So this will be about how much damages does he have to pay…

[Mayhem]

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/stat...46630340837588

He says in the above clip that his assets were in fact worth more than he stated and not less, if they are trying to get him on false reporting it’s right there from his own mouth

Justice Engoron just noted in court that "nobody asked for" a jury trial, which is why he'll be presiding over Trump's $250M civil fraud case without one.

It’s incredibly easy to ask for a jury trial. You just check a box on a form. Hard to believe that Trump understood that his lawyers hadn’t done it when he’s been savaging the judge who is now the factfinder in his huge fraud trial. The competency from him overwhelms me!

[Sumac]

People cheering politically motivated courts are people who desire to be put to the wall next.

But as usual they don't know it until its too late..."there are no bad methods, only wrong targets", up until YOU, Mayhem, will be put to the wall, than YOU will scream and cry and plea for freedom and laws, but no-one will hear you. Why?

Because, YOU wanted it - trial for enemies of your ideology and a sentence, no mater the cost or logic. Which leads us to the moment, when anyone, deemed "enemy of the state" can eliminated without much of a trial, much less justice.

People like you, Mayhem - are ignorant gnats who don't know history and can't learn from it. YOU ruin future for people, not boomers or anyone else.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Sumac

People cheering politically motivated courts are people who desire to be put to the wall next.

Oh I’m not cheering, I’m just grabbing my popcorn along with a lot of other people and watching as the continual circus moves onto its next act. My only disappointment is that more people of Trump’s ilk, regardless of political leaning or nature, can’t be brought to sanction in the same way. If you’ve broken the law, then the appropriate punitive damages should be levelled. It’s got nothing to do with Trump being the opposite of my supposed ideology, he’s a terrible human being whose committed an awful lot of wrong, and not been held accountable for it until now. He isn’t the only one.

And I suspect I know more about history than yourself… and that those who prevent it from being taught want it to be repeated.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Oh I’m not cheering, I’m just grabbing my popcorn along with a lot of other people and watching as the continual circus moves onto its next act. My only disappointment is that more people of Trump’s ilk, regardless of political leaning or nature, can’t be brought to sanction in the same way. If you’ve broken the law, then the appropriate punitive damages should be levelled. It’s got nothing to do with Trump being the opposite of my supposed ideology, he’s a terrible human being whose committed an awful lot of wrong, and not been held accountable for it until now. He isn’t the only one.

And I suspect I know more about history than yourself… and that those who prevent it from being taught want it to be repeated.

and it's people like this that allowed canada to get as far as it got. with the us next, we know who too blame.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

and it's people like this that allowed canada to get as far as it got. with the us next, we know who too blame.

Yeah the applause in their parliament had me scratching my head too.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Oh I’m not cheering, I’m just grabbing my popcorn along with a lot of other people and watching as the continual circus moves onto its next act. My only disappointment is that more people of Trump’s ilk, regardless of political leaning or nature, can’t be brought to sanction in the same way. If you’ve broken the law, then the appropriate punitive damages should be levelled. It’s got nothing to do with Trump being the opposite of my supposed ideology, he’s a terrible human being whose committed an awful lot of wrong, and not been held accountable for it until now. He isn’t the only one.

And I suspect I know more about history than yourself… and that those who prevent it from being taught want it to be repeated.

You do understand that Trump in court, because, current elites want to see him removed from equation? By your logic both Biden and Obama should be in court as well, yet, I see you applauding a political process, without much of a second thought.

As for the history, given your position, I assume you know anything of it only from a book "World for commies and dummies". Or you've just slept on those lessons. Otherwise your supposed "knowledge", of which I doubt there is any, would be incorrigible with your current position.

I am not big fan of Trump as a person and he is a typical corrupted businessman, however, when one party feels so pathetically unsafe, that it literally needs to create a politically motivated process to remove their main opponent, while ignoring crimes of their own side, normal person would start questioning what is going on, based on nothing, but elementary principles of Democracy.
Of which I assume you know just as much as about history.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Sumac

You do understand that Trump in court, because, current elites want to see him removed from equation? By your logic both Biden and Obama should be in court as well, yet, I see you applauding a political process, without much of a second thought.

As for the history, given your position, I assume you know anything of it only from a book "World for commies and dummies". Or you've just slept on those lessons. Otherwise your supposed "knowledge", of which I doubt there is any, would be incorrigible with your current position.

I am not big fan of Trump as a person and he is a typical corrupted businessman, however, when one party feels so pathetically unsafe, that it literally needs to create a politically motivated process to remove their main opponent, while ignoring crimes of their own side, normal person would start questioning what is going on, based on nothing, but elementary principles of Democracy.
Of which I assume you know just as much as about history.

So what has Biden and Obama done outside the role of being President, that would require them to be in court? Trump has done an awful lot not just while being President himself…

Funny, my political leanings have been mid ground at most, conservative usually. Communism as demonstrated by China can be as bad as fascism. Considering I’ve never lived or grown up in a country that’s been communist, I think you’d be in a better position to tell me about how great it was? Or how democratic and fair the current regime in Russia is for anyone who angers or criticises the great man Putin or his beliefs, and his deranged fantasies to bring the Soviet empire back together. You don’t get locked up here or sent to hard labour prison for writing the truth that he can’t accept. I suggest you look inward to your own country before starting to criticise the practices of others.

[TurtleManiac]

I think alot of the nevertrumper types on here with TDS are simply anti-American, they want to see the U.S. fall, for whatever reason, and they think they’re in on it by using Trump as their “punching bag”. It’s the “cool thing to do” to make themselves feel relevant as part of the “greater good”. Trump is pretty much the only guy who can save America from the cesspool of third world invasion it has become since Biden took office and opened the borders. Of course they will cheer on as Trump is being politically persecuted by the corrupt commies of DC. I still ask anyone on here to name one, just one, positive thing that the Biden admin has done for America. That’s right, nothing. It’s slowly becoming a third world communist utopia where violent criminals roam free.

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

So what has Biden and Obama done outside the role of being President, that would require them to be in court? Trump has done an awful lot not just while being President himself…

This is why I stopped posting about politics here altogether. I‘ll discuss anything whatever your political opinion is and I‘m very open-minded (my in-laws are basically right-wingers and we get along fine) but if you deny that Donald Trump is a complete ****ing scumbag, it‘s not worth the time.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

This is why I stopped posting about politics here altogether. I‘ll discuss anything whatever your political opinion is and I‘m very open-minded (my in-laws are basically right-wingers and we get along fine) but if you deny that Donald Trump is a complete ****ing scumbag, it‘s not worth the time.

He's definitely not a good guy. He can be funny, charismatic at times. But he is a loudmouth that loves to rub people the wrong way and, while funny at times, it served to only create even more division than what came out of Obama's second term or at least exacerbate the fires that had already been lit. Also, I don't think he's reelectable. Policy-wise he had been pretty sound, which is what I care about way over personality, though.

A "complete" scumbag, though? No, I wouldn't say that. Maybe in his personal affairs. But those are his personal affairs.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by TurtleManiac

I think alot of the nevertrumper types on here with TDS are simply anti-American, they want to see the U.S. fall, for whatever reason, and they think they’re in on it by using Trump as their “punching bag”.

Not the case here, I like most Americans, the people in general are good. It's the Government and other large institutions that get a dimmer view, whoever happens to be in power.

I'll also point you to the fact that violent crime is reducing, people coming into the country is reducing, inflation is reducing, but yes, still higher than pre COVID levels.

https://www.axios.com/2023/07/22/bid...nflation-crime

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

I'll also point you to the fact that violent crime is reducing, people coming into the country is reducing, inflation is reducing

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

This is why I stopped posting about politics here altogether. I‘ll discuss anything whatever your political opinion is and I‘m very open-minded (my in-laws are basically right-wingers and we get along fine) but if you deny that Donald Trump is a complete ****ing scumbag, it‘s not worth the time.

Who denies it here? Maybe you can say something constructive, instead of fighting strawmen?

Originally Posted by Mayhem

So what has Biden and Obama done outside the role of being President, that would require them to be in court? Trump has done an awful lot not just while being President himself…

Why do you count only something outside of presidency?
Wouldn't crimes as president take higher priority? Or as long as politician is a DemocRAT it doesn't count?

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Funny, my political leanings have been mid ground at most, conservative usually. Communism as demonstrated by China can be as bad as fascism.

Well, at least you get that. Surprisingly for a person who wants to support political process due to his personal sympathies.
Also, "communism is not can be as bad as fascism" it is "always as bad as fascism".

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Considering I’ve never lived or grown up in a country that’s been communist, I think you’d be in a better position to tell me about how great it was?

I can tell you how it wasn't great.

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Or how democratic and fair the current regime in Russia is for anyone who angers or criticises the great man Putin or his beliefs, and his deranged fantasies to bring the Soviet empire back together. You don’t get locked up here or sent to hard labour prison for writing the truth that he can’t accept. I suggest you look inward to your own country before starting to criticise the practices of others.

Let me explain you something, even though I doubt your mind-on-lefty-kool-aid will be able to comprehend it.

Thanks to my knowledge of Soviet history, as well, as recent Russian history I know how good intentions or "soft" dictatorship transforms into a totalitarian nightmare. And let me tell, it is ONE WAY ROAD. Once this process starts there is no road back, unless its a civil war, revolution or years of political crises.

What I see in US is a disturbing trend, where one party, DemocRATs, is trying to usurp power by any means they see fit. They proclaim their opposition subhumans, fascists, deplorables, even for minor differences in opinion, regardless of what those differences are.

They also use political resources to manipulate population opinions using migrants as blunt tools, for example. They have DIRECTLY instigated riots in 2020 to use it as a weapon against Trump, regardless of how much damage it did to a country and people. Which in itself can be (and in ideal world should be) considered a treason, no less.

All in all, modern US (and by large Western) DemocRATs, remind me of Communists of the beginning of the 20th century - group of unscrupulous people, without principles and convictions who want absolute power regardless how many people will suffer in the process and how many laws they will break.

I can't say, if Republicans would act like this, if their positions would have been swapped and in itself this question is completely irrelevant, since right now we have what we have.

Trump process is just another link in this chain of events. The way its framed and the way it is investigated, hints that it is a purely politically motivated process and nothing else. Trump might be (and most likely is) a dirty businessman, but who in US elites is not? But they are getting away scot free. Fauci, despite his multiple lies got away scot free (for now). Hilarity Clinton got away scot free. Hunter Biden investigation amounted to nothing, but for the lack of evidence. There are proofs that a lot of dirt DemocRATs had on Trump was fabricated with help of Russian agents.

All of this, shows that US, maybe not on a verge of becoming a totalitarian country yet, but it gets to this line.

And why it is important to me? Because, I live in a country with questionable "freedoms". US always was an example for me how to do things "right" in a political sense.

Yes, it is not an ideal country, yes, its political system has a lot of problems. But for all its warts and the like it works. For the last 200+ years with no revolutions, no major upheavals (save for a civil war), no political and transition crises, no transformations of a regime from tyranny to democracy and back again it exists. Something which most countries, much less large and influential ones can not say about their history or political systems.

US had set an example of the country, which not only has stable political system, but also managed to be leader in technological and societal progress.

An example of what well-functioning country should be as opposed to countless dictatorships, monarchies and ineffective bureaucracies of the world.

Which is why I do not want it to go away. Because, then there won't be an example, a hope for other countries and people living in them. There is a reason, after all, why people all over the world are trying to get into US (and Western countries) and no-one runs into Middle East or China.

If this will go away, then what people can hope for? What people like me, who grew in a dictatorship, not to mention current state of affairs, can hope for? What should be an example for us? What WE should hold as a counter point to our politicians who claim that "following great leader" is the only answer for prosperity of the country? That "USSR did everything right", despite facts proving showing complete opposite?

According to people like you, all of this should be stolen away and destroyed, just based on people sympathies and faux-outrage, which plays in hand of people who want power, but not equality or prosperity.

Mind you, in ideal world, I won't be opposed to Trump being judged. If he committed crimes he should pay. But this situation is rather a different one. It is not normal. It is a political power play, where one party tries to eliminate its most powerful (or what they perceive as their most powerful) opponent.

Which reminds of stuff from the recent and not so recent history, which I suspect, you not so aware of, despite your claims.

TL;DR
I suggest you **** a **** with your suggestions.

Originally Posted by Mayhem

I'll also point you to the fact that violent crime is reducing, people coming into the country is reducing, inflation is reducing, but yes, still higher than pre COVID levels.

https://www.axios.com/2023/07/22/bid...nflation-crime

Good joke.
Especially from clearly biased source of information. Might as well use Jezebel or whatnot.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

I'll also point you to the fact that violent crime is reducing, people coming into the country is reducing, inflation is reducing

Oh, hon, if you actually lived here, you’d be singing a totally different tune…unless of course you were paid by the Biden Administration to lie about how “great” things currently are.

[Vegita-San]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!

crime reducing? someone post some videos. inflation reducing? What was once $20 groceries is not close to $70. Illegal immigration reducing? Have you SEEN New York City and others lately?

it's people like mayhem with their head in the sand, and barkworm that will allow communisim and fascism to take over what's left of america.

republicans may not be better, but they ARE the lesser evil in this case. The Democrats ARE trying to turn america into china.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Vegita-San

republicans may not be better, but they ARE the lesser evil in this case. The Democrats ARE trying to turn america into china.

I don't think they are talented enough for that.
They will get late-80s USSR instead.

[Barkworm]

Oh gee. Poked right into the hornets' nest, did I?

[Vegita-San]

americans take america and freedom and liberty seriously. when we see one party and only one party pushing back on this, that raises red flags. right now, everyone in the democratic party is raising multiple red flags, and hiding behind cultural shaming to do it.

[Mayhem]

I see everyone decided to cut off the final part of my original line “but still higher than pre COVID levels” there. The analysis is those things are currently decreasing from previous highs. How hard is that to understand? Might not be obviously visible yet though for reasons… well, see the bit you all decided to truncate

Originally Posted by Sumac

Why do you count only something outside of presidency?.

Let me explain you something, even though I doubt your mind-on-lefty-kool-aid will be able to comprehend it.

I can't say, if Republicans would act like this, if their positions would have been swapped and in itself this question is completely irrelevant, since right now we have what we have.

That was a long reply, so I’ve had to pick out three bits to reply to.

1) All presidents have made questionable decisions during their terms, Republican and Democrat. Hell, people are still trying to get Bill C on his affairs, and Dubya on the fake WMD invasion of Iraq long after they’ve left office. I made the point simply for you to highlight what Biden and Obama have done before and/or after leaving office that would require them to be charged with a serious crime. As generally you are immune to prosecution while President. Trump? Well, where do you start there on either side of his term…

2) I don’t drink KoolAid or anything blue for that matter.

3) Oh they would, I think the fact a tiny minority of hard line Republicans in Congress almost caused the government to lockdown and default on its debts a few days ago is proof of that.