controversial issues

*Storm Wolf* · 12-02-2003, 08:39 PM

This whole entire week for two hours i'm going to be stashed away in the school library researching. I thought this migh be an opportunity to see what some people on the Drome thought about the controversial issue I'm reading up on...plus i was pretty bored

Anyways my issue is homosexual adoptions. Do you think it would effect how the child is raised? in a negative way? a positive way? What are the laws about this in your current place of dwelling?

any information would be appriciated as well!

**GK Punk** · 12-02-2003, 08:44 PM

I don't think it would affect a child negativley at all.
(And I can't wait to see how long this gets reduced to some imature flame war.)

Demonfox38 · 12-02-2003, 08:47 PM

Eh, whatever. I don't frankly give a rat's butt what homosexuals do--as long as they are good citizens, I guess I have no problems. Besides, if a person wants kids and they are going to be good to them, why not let them adopt.

*Storm Wolf* · 12-02-2003, 08:47 PM

I don't think it would affect the child negativly at all either....

(actually GK...i guess I would be assuming to much if i assumed people could be serious about this and not turn it into a flame war...right?

)

*Kid Icarus* · 12-02-2003, 08:54 PM

I don't see how it would affect the kid at all. It might make the kid more open minded if anything.

Gay couples have just as many problems as straight couples, they just get the added benefit of being a rather publicly hated group of people.

**Machias Banshee** · 12-02-2003, 09:07 PM

Hmm...

I know what I'm gonna say is gonna be a lil Politically incorrect, but I have to say it...I apologize in advance.

I'm not sure what to think honestly. yeah, some "open-Minded" people say ther;e's nothing wrong with it. However...

Kids always start with the small talk about Mommies and Daddies, early as 4. Having a child who's never had a "mom" or a "Dad", it can be a lil difficult for them.

In the Psychological sense, children who grow up without interaction with parents of both sexes can tend to have difficulties socially, emotionally, and at times even sexually.

In Middle school, I know that children can be particularly cruel. "oh youre one of the *** kids." or "He's got ******* for parents, maybe he'll become one too." That alone will mess with a child severely.

Look at the news, with attacks on people because of their sexuality. Gay killings, beatings and such. A child whose parents are Gays or Lesbians is going to be affected by this, no matter what you may believe or say.

I dont know who'll agree, disagree or try to flame me, but that is MY opinion. I am not bashing gays in any sort of way. Lots of people i know are homosexuals (my first crush was one, unfortunate for me, cuz i wanted to date him, dammit!

).

Relay · 12-02-2003, 09:17 PM

In an attempt to avoid any stance on the homosexuality issue in this case, I'm going to have to agree with Machias that this sort of thing could be damaging to a child. Kids can be really cruel. There's no doubt in my mind that a kid with same-sex parents could not go through childhood without being made fun of for having homosexual parents. The kid might then resent his parents because they are the cause of his ridicule. This could cause the child to grow up and dislike, even hate, homosexuals. Although I don't agree with what homosexuals do, I do respect their right to do their own thing. Different strokes for different folks, y'know? I think that homosexuals could make great parents, but I also think that a problem could arise outside the home that could affect the child negatively, despite what the parents do.

*Kid Icarus* · 12-02-2003, 09:23 PM

You have good points Michias, but how's that any diffrent than kids with mixed parents, or kids who live in poverty?

Or, as a better example, single parents who've had to raise their kids with out the other mother/father. My sister has 2 kids, and the dads only been there for one. both seem to be normal (but i'm not a psychologist). *shrug*.

*That Matt Guy* · 12-02-2003, 09:23 PM

I can't imagine the torment a child of gay parents would go through. IMO they shouldn't be allowed to adopt because of that.

**Kali** · 12-02-2003, 09:28 PM

I have to say, Machias has a point. But really, most of that is due to people's prejudice, and not how the children were raised. Kids will tease about anything, from hair color to glasses.

I certainly don't have a problem with it. No matter what "psychological effects" there would be from being raised by same sex parents, it's gotta be better than having no parents at all, or parents who don't really care.

Problems exist in every type of family. But as long as it's a good environment to grow up in, I don't see the problem. Would you rather these kids live in foster homes all their lives? Yeah, that'll lead to a well-adjusted individual.

I always wondered why people got so hung up on same-sex couples. The way I see it, the only reason you should have for caring about someone's sexuality is if you want to have sex with them...

*keeps one eye on this thread*

**GK Punk** · 12-02-2003, 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kali

I have to say, Machias has a point. But really, most of that is due to people's prejudice, and not how the children were raised. Kids will tease about anything, from hair color to glasses.

I certainly don't have a problem with it. No matter what "psychological effects" there would be from being raised by same sex parents, it's gotta be better than having no parents at all, or parents who don't really care.

Problems exist in every type of family. But as long as it's a good environment to grow up in, I don't see the problem. Would you rather these kids live in foster homes all their lives? Yeah, that'll lead to a well-adjusted individual.

I always wondered why people got so hung up on same-sex couples. The way I see it, the only reason you should have for caring about someone's sexuality is if you want to have sex with them...

*keeps one eye on this thread*

Well said.

*That Matt Guy* · 12-02-2003, 09:38 PM

People could argue for this and against it for 100 years. Maybe I'm just "closed minded" or old fashioned, but I will never agree with it no matter if it ever becomes legal.

Relay · 12-02-2003, 09:40 PM

It's nice to know there is someone who considers themselves "old-fashioned" besides me.

**Machias Banshee** · 12-02-2003, 09:40 PM

Many good points, Kali. I would rather see a stable same-sex couple than
a broken, and/or 'dangerous to the child' different-sex couple...

and yeh, I'll be keeping an eye on this thread too...

Shadow · 12-02-2003, 09:43 PM

i personally have no problem with it at all. I think love of any kind is important, and children are resiliant. They bounce back from anything...so teasing isn't an issue---we've all been teased.

i think of the case in florida were a gay couple was foster parents for kids with hiv and aids...they wanted to adopt these kids....no one...and i mean no one...wanted to raise them...and the couple was not allowed to because of being gay.

they can raise them under the tile foster parent...but not parent? wth?

love....its what children need and wont most....from anyone they can get it from....why not two daddies or two mommies....the more the love the better!

*Storm Wolf* · 12-02-2003, 09:45 PM

Like it's already been stated....I think it would be perfectly fine as long as it is a stable loving home the child is going into. I would rather see a child go to a same-sex couple who can care for them correctly then the child stay somewhere that will damage them psychologically or emotionally. I say whatever is best for the child!

Relay · 12-02-2003, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiger Powers

Like it's already been stated....I think it would be perfectly fine as long as it is a stable loving home the child is going into. I would rather see a child go to a same-sex couple who can care for them correctly then the child stay somewhere that will damage them psychologically or emotionally. I say whatever is best for the child!

That's the key issue here. It's not so much about gay rights as it is what is best for the child. It should be case by case as to whether or not the adoption is in the best interest of the child.

**Nturtle** · 12-02-2003, 09:51 PM

I don't see anything wrong. I thing homosexuality is one of the last big leaps in discrimination that has to be made in this country (Not to say we've fixed everything with racism and sexism

)

Savanti Romero · 12-02-2003, 09:55 PM

I'm taking AP Pshcology in High School right now. We just learned about homosexuals in class! According to my text book gay couples can raise children just as well as traditional parents and there will be no pshcological effects. Not saying I completely agree, but that's what the text book says. There also is no real scientific evidence of what causes people to be homosexual, but there are of course theories.

Meira-Bates · 12-02-2003, 10:35 PM

I'm on the side of seeing no problems with it. I certainly didn't have gay parents, and HELL I did nothing to be seen AS a gay. However people over the years endlessly pointed the finger at me and acussed me of it...HELL even a full grown woman acused me of being gay. What makes a child any more vulnrable to other children when they are taken care of by gay parents? Nothing... It's more about the kids they are raised with than the parents. Like mentioned before...kids will pick on anything...and that they did with me. When I wasn't gay I was fat, when I wasn't fat I was ugly, when I wasn't ugly I was stupid...and the list goes on any on...and I asure you I did nothing to appear gay, I was not fat, and though I don't belive it, I've been told I'm actualy cute...sometimes even pretty...

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12-02-2003, 09:07 PM	#6
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	*beware of slightly old-fashioned-ism* Hmm... I know what I'm gonna say is gonna be a lil Politically incorrect, but I have to say it...I apologize in advance. I'm not sure what to think honestly. yeah, some "open-Minded" people say ther;e's nothing wrong with it. However... Kids always start with the small talk about Mommies and Daddies, early as 4. Having a child who's never had a "mom" or a "Dad", it can be a lil difficult for them. In the Psychological sense, children who grow up without interaction with parents of both sexes can tend to have difficulties socially, emotionally, and at times even sexually. In Middle school, I know that children can be particularly cruel. "oh youre one of the * kids." or "He's got ***** for parents, maybe he'll become one too." That alone will mess with a child severely. Look at the news, with attacks on people because of their sexuality. Gay killings, beatings and such. A child whose parents are Gays or Lesbians is going to be affected by this, no matter what you may believe or say. I dont know who'll agree, disagree or try to flame me, but that is MY opinion. I am not bashing gays in any sort of way. Lots of people i know are homosexuals (my first crush was one, unfortunate for me, cuz i wanted to date him, dammit! ).

12-02-2003, 09:51 PM	#18
Nturtle Ninja Master Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Technodrome Airducts Posts: 5,215	I don't see anything wrong. I thing homosexuality is one of the last big leaps in discrimination that has to be made in this country (Not to say we've fixed everything with racism and sexism ) __________________ Fil rules. If Fil takes your 5 bucks then you should be eternally grateful that Fil would even borrow your money. Fil.

12-02-2003, 09:55 PM	#19
Savanti Romero Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 600	coincidence I'm taking AP Pshcology in High School right now. We just learned about homosexuals in class! According to my text book gay couples can raise children just as well as traditional parents and there will be no pshcological effects. Not saying I completely agree, but that's what the text book says. There also is no real scientific evidence of what causes people to be homosexual, but there are of course theories. __________________ "The sceptor has returned at last; and it's all mine!" -Savanti Romero, Vol. 1 issue 47 1992 AKA: [email protected] utromheadquarters.0catch.com

12-02-2003, 10:35 PM	#20
Meira-Bates Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2003 Location: an abandoned wearhouse Posts: 1,057	I'm on the side of seeing no problems with it. I certainly didn't have gay parents, and HELL I did nothing to be seen AS a gay. However people over the years endlessly pointed the finger at me and acussed me of it...HELL even a full grown woman acused me of being gay. What makes a child any more vulnrable to other children when they are taken care of by gay parents? Nothing... It's more about the kids they are raised with than the parents. Like mentioned before...kids will pick on anything...and that they did with me. When I wasn't gay I was fat, when I wasn't fat I was ugly, when I wasn't ugly I was stupid...and the list goes on any on...and I asure you I did nothing to appear gay, I was not fat, and though I don't belive it, I've been told I'm actualy cute...sometimes even pretty... __________________ I'm also the winner of the award for being least likely to receive an award! O.o

12-02-2003, 08:44 PM	#2
GK Punk I'm your Devil Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,439	I don't think it would affect a child negativley at all. (And I can't wait to see how long this gets reduced to some imature flame war.)

12-02-2003, 08:47 PM	#3
Demonfox38 Stone Warrior Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 531	Eh, whatever. I don't frankly give a rat's butt what homosexuals do--as long as they are good citizens, I guess I have no problems. Besides, if a person wants kids and they are going to be good to them, why not let them adopt.

12-02-2003, 08:54 PM	#5
Kid Icarus Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Angel Land Posts: 4,150	I don't see how it would affect the kid at all. It might make the kid more open minded if anything. Gay couples have just as many problems as straight couples, they just get the added benefit of being a rather publicly hated group of people.

12-02-2003, 09:17 PM	#7
Relay Hench Mutant Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: North Cacalacky Posts: 400	In an attempt to avoid any stance on the homosexuality issue in this case, I'm going to have to agree with Machias that this sort of thing could be damaging to a child. Kids can be really cruel. There's no doubt in my mind that a kid with same-sex parents could not go through childhood without being made fun of for having homosexual parents. The kid might then resent his parents because they are the cause of his ridicule. This could cause the child to grow up and dislike, even hate, homosexuals. Although I don't agree with what homosexuals do, I do respect their right to do their own thing. Different strokes for different folks, y'know? I think that homosexuals could make great parents, but I also think that a problem could arise outside the home that could affect the child negatively, despite what the parents do.

12-02-2003, 09:23 PM	#8
Kid Icarus Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Angel Land Posts: 4,150	You have good points Michias, but how's that any diffrent than kids with mixed parents, or kids who live in poverty? Or, as a better example, single parents who've had to raise their kids with out the other mother/father. My sister has 2 kids, and the dads only been there for one. both seem to be normal (but i'm not a psychologist). shrug.

12-02-2003, 09:23 PM	#9
That Matt Guy Honey Bunches Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lone Star State Posts: 5,840	I can't imagine the torment a child of gay parents would go through. IMO they shouldn't be allowed to adopt because of that.

12-02-2003, 09:28 PM	#10
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	I have to say, Machias has a point. But really, most of that is due to people's prejudice, and not how the children were raised. Kids will tease about anything, from hair color to glasses. I certainly don't have a problem with it. No matter what "psychological effects" there would be from being raised by same sex parents, it's gotta be better than having no parents at all, or parents who don't really care. Problems exist in every type of family. But as long as it's a good environment to grow up in, I don't see the problem. Would you rather these kids live in foster homes all their lives? Yeah, that'll lead to a well-adjusted individual. I always wondered why people got so hung up on same-sex couples. The way I see it, the only reason you should have for caring about someone's sexuality is if you want to have sex with them... keeps one eye on this thread

12-02-2003, 09:38 PM	#12
That Matt Guy Honey Bunches Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lone Star State Posts: 5,840	People could argue for this and against it for 100 years. Maybe I'm just "closed minded" or old fashioned, but I will never agree with it no matter if it ever becomes legal.

12-02-2003, 09:40 PM	#13
Relay Hench Mutant Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: North Cacalacky Posts: 400	It's nice to know there is someone who considers themselves "old-fashioned" besides me.

12-02-2003, 09:43 PM	#15
Shadow Hench Mutant Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 489	i personally have no problem with it at all. I think love of any kind is important, and children are resiliant. They bounce back from anything...so teasing isn't an issue---we've all been teased. i think of the case in florida were a gay couple was foster parents for kids with hiv and aids...they wanted to adopt these kids....no one...and i mean no one...wanted to raise them...and the couple was not allowed to because of being gay. they can raise them under the tile foster parent...but not parent? wth? love....its what children need and wont most....from anyone they can get it from....why not two daddies or two mommies....the more the love the better!