Aquaman & The Lost Kingdom

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

The reviews are coming in now that it's been released and they are brutal

38% so far

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/aqu...e_lost_kingdom

LOL.
Hopefully trend will continue next year and those big studios will go bankrupt to clear the field for others...
Or they will be bought by bigger competitors, until we will have, like 1-2 super mega corporations controlling everything. Which is sadly more likely.

[sdp]

The message has been loud and clear for a long while now capeshit is dead to mainstream audiences.


You can only blame woke or the DCEU for so long. They're factors that definitely helped the decline but it was clear End Game was the end of superhero from casuals and it's casuals that got this movies made in the first place.

Yeah the big names will continue to make big bucks with casuals Iron Man 4 with RDJ would do big numbers. Avengers with the cast that casuals love would get them to return out of curiosity but none would reach the highs they've already reached. Spider-Man will do great numbers but even Spidey needed the previous actors returning gimmick to make the numbers the last movie did, without that it wouldn't have done as much.

You're still going to see at least one superhero movie from Marvel per year like in the 2000s but they're going to scale back heavily and you can bet the next two avengers movies are being retooled to get casuals to come back. Kang will be replaced by some ticket selling gimmick like Dr. Doom + RDJ returning or something like that. Those movies will do fine but gone are the days of multiple Marvel movies per year and people following it with enthusiasm like in the 2010s, it's a new decade now.

Oh but this is a DC Topic. Yeah DC will be like it was in the 2000s as well with only Batman every other year and an experimental movie with a hero from time to time. The Gunn universe experiment won't last long, especially not with all the debt WB Discovery has and the fact that it's not even a clean reboot, casuals will just think it's part of the same universe they already dislike. Superman will bomb since audiences don't connect with him and haven't since the Reeve's movies.

Spoiler:

and we all know nobody cares about wonder woman

[Sumac]

If it seems Aquaman 2 will have a smaller opening than Marvels.
Its like DC in a completion with Marvel / Disney, who can make shittier movie this year.
Speaks a lot about state of Hollywood and capeshit.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Speaks a lot about state of Hollywood and capeshit.

I don't think it has anything to do with capeshit. Maybe general audiences let studios get away with a lot less now with superhero movies because they've been burned a lot lately (whether we're talking about fans getting the rug pulled out from under them with the DCEU, people tired of pandering or woke sh** in everything), but if something like Spider-Man 4 or Iron Man 4 dropped tomorrow, each would gross over a billion dollars almost sight unseen.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I don't think it has anything to do with capeshit. Maybe general audiences let studios get away with a lot less now with superhero movies because they've been burned a lot lately (whether we're talking about fans getting the rug pulled out from under them with the DCEU, people tired of pandering or woke sh** in everything), but if something like Spider-Man 4 or Iron Man 4 dropped tomorrow, each would gross over a billion dollars almost sight unseen.

I don't mean it in as "superhero fatigue", though its seemingly here, but as in people have less and less trust in superhero movies after failure after failure. Not necessarily superhero genre as a whole.

[CyberCubed]

Wasn't Guardians of the Galaxy 3 the only succesful superhero film this year? And it doubles as a sci-fi film, so it's not even really a superhero franchise since it has more in common with sci-fi films instead.

Shazam 2 bombed, Ant-Man 3 bombed, Flash Bombed, The Marvels Bombed, Blue Beetle Bombed, Aquaman 2 bombed, etc.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Wasn't Guardians of the Galaxy 3 the only succesful superhero film this year? And it doubles as a sci-fi film, so it's not even really a superhero franchise since it has more in common with sci-fi films instead.

Shazam 2 bombed, Ant-Man 3 bombed, Flash Bombed, The Marvels Bombed, Blue Beetle Bombed, Aquaman 2 bombed, etc.

yeh pretty much

[Andrew NDB]

Ant-Man 3 didn't bomb, it just came way under expectations.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Ant-Man 3 didn't bomb, it just came way under expectations.

Which means it bombed by normal MCU standards.

[Xav]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Ant-Man 3 didn't bomb, it just came way under expectations.

It failed to break even what would you call it?

[ZariusTwo]

Audience score is in the high 77%, this despite even the usual DC shills not even liking it.

[MikeandRaph87]

I wonder, the forgetting Orm is evil and decreasing role of Mera, did Patrick Wilson largely replace what Amber Beard'sMera should have been apart of?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I don't think it has anything to do with capeshit. Maybe general audiences let studios get away with a lot less now with superhero movies because they've been burned a lot lately (whether we're talking about fans getting the rug pulled out from under them with the DCEU, people tired of pandering or woke sh** in everything), but if something like Spider-Man 4 or Iron Man 4 dropped tomorrow, each would gross over a billion dollars almost sight unseen.

Originally Posted by Xav

It failed to break even

Incorrect.

[Xav]

It reportedly needed $600 million to break even it grossed $476.1 million how is that not a failure?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Xav

It reportedly needed $600 million to break even

Reportedly by whom? Even if we were to assume the marketing budget was approaching what the production budget was (200M) it still would have roughly broken even or made some small pittance.

People say "that bombed!" to me means wow, what a black eye that movie was for the people who funded it because it lost a ton of money! Which would be like The Marvels which, to date, hasn't even made its production budget back INTERNATIONALLY, to say nothing of whatever the marketing budget was on top of it. We can say Ant-Man 3 was a misfire or underperformed but I don't think it's in the same category.

[Sumac]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

People say "that bombed!" to me means wow, what a black eye that movie was for the people who funded it because it lost a ton of money! Which would be like The Marvels which, to date, hasn't even made its production budget back INTERNATIONALLY, to say nothing of whatever the marketing budget was on top of it. We can say Ant-Man 3 was a misfire or underperformed but I don't think it's in the same category.

Given Disney expectations, I'd say there is no different between "underperformed" and "bombed".

[TheCanadiandrome]

It’s still a good thing I don’t give two flying f**ks what other people think and can use my own brain and make up my own mind on movies that I want to see. Just because someone says something’s crap or isn’t doesn’t mean jack sh*t to me

[Xav]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Reportedly by whom?

By Variety.

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/a...ey-1235564875/

[MikeandRaph87]

I saw it and really enjoyed it. I may prefer the first film, but it's a fun action adventure film that is much better than any Superhero fare out there because it's not woke just digging into Aquaman lore and delivering a film on the level for comic fans and general audience alike.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

I saw it and really enjoyed it. I may prefer the first film, but it's a fun action adventure film that is much better than any Superhero fare out there because it's not woke just digging into Aquaman lore and delivering a film on the level for comic fans and general audience alike.

I think the lack of interest is a little related to Amber Hurd and largely related to the impending reboot of the entire DCU. Seems like audiences now need the connectivity instead of being able to take a movie on it's own merits.