Donald Trump Hush money trial

[Cowabung-Gal]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

You do realise I’m laughing right now at that statement (I guess you DIDN'T read the article), they have ruled he can’t be on the Republican primary ballot BECAUSE of a clause in the constitution!

But Section 3 of the 14th Amendment does not mention the presidency. Even CNN points out this crucial detail.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Cowabung-Gal

But Section 3 of the 14th Amendment does not mention the presidency. Even CNN points out this crucial detail.

You merely said it was unconstitutional. Which presumes the entire process. Which was incorrect. The court decision 4-3 was deciding the interpretation of the section 3 in regards to the presidency. In the same way the Supreme Court took until 2006 to decide how to interpret the Second Amendment re everyone owning guns and not just militia. Same principle in my head. And if one court ruled that way, it may inflience other courts also looking to block Trump in the same manner.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

You merely said it was unconstitutional. Which presumes the entire process. Which was incorrect. The court decision 4-3 was deciding the interpretation of the section 3 in regards to the presidency. In the same way the Supreme Court took until 2006 to decide how to interpret the Second Amendment re everyone owning guns and not just militia. Same principle in my head. And if one court ruled that way, it may inflience other courts also looking to block Trump in the same manner.

It is unconstitutional because these biased judges are intentionally misinterpreting the Constitution and manipulating the system to get rid of a guy they hate. The federal government can’t tell private citizens who they can and cannot put on the ballot.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Cowabung-Gal

It is unconstitutional because these biased Supreme Court judges are intentionally misinterpreting the Constitution and manipulating the system to allow everyone to have weapons. The federal government can’t tell private citizens who can and cannot own weapons.

Doesn't take much changing, does it?

It's only unconstitutional to YOU because YOU disagree with the outcome. It's the standard default cry of anyone who feels their billionaire leader has been put upon unfairly. Yes, I'm including all sides here in my rhetoric, I have no stake in the outcome, just reporting things as they occur.

Of course the government has a say, it's the government, albeit being convicted in the past doesn't preclude you from holding pretty much any office in the future. The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution prohibits anyone who has engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the United States from holding public office, unless that prohibition is overridden by a two-thirds vote in both chambers of Congress. So there's an "override" built in anyhow.

[Cowabung-Gal]

“The federal government can’t tell citizens who can and cannot own weapons”. You just changed my words to fit your narrative. How are you any different from those partisan judges again?

Originally Posted by Mayhem

It's only unconstitutional to YOU because YOU disagree with the outcome. It's the standard default cry of anyone who feels their billionaire leader has been put upon unfairly.

Oh, right. I must worship Trump because I call out corrupt politicians and dare to question the system. You don’t even know who I voted for in the last election nor should you know because it’s none of your business. Trump can pack up and move to Russia for all I care. Let Vivek Ramaswamy or Robert F. Kennedy Jr. ruffle the Establishment’s feathers for a while. I’m outraged because this won’t stop at Trump; this will definitely be a domino effect that will ultimately lead to a totalitarian society where you have no say in who leads this country, or even to another Civil War.

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Of course the government has a say, it's the government

The government works for the People, or at least that’s what our Founding Fathers intended. We elected them into office. If anything we’re their bosses, not the other way around. Unfortunately that’s not the case anymore. Hasn’t been for a long time actually. If the People want to elect, say, Joe Rogan as the next President, then the government should allow it because it is the will of the People, even though there are some officials who probably hate his guts because he, too, criticizes the system and he’s never worked in the government nor helped bomb foreign countries to fill the politician’s pockets; that’s their ideal candidate.

Originally Posted by Mayhem

The 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution prohibits anyone who has engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the United States from holding public office, unless that prohibition is overridden by a two-thirds vote in both chambers of Congress.

Except Trump hasn’t been charged nor tried for insurrection in court, and there’s still some debate over whether he is guilty of inciting the riot or not. Again, this is a desperate and not very well thought out attempt to destroy a guy they hate, and it will definitely lead to disaster. If numerous blue states do end up removing Trump from the ballot but Trump wins the Electoral College and becomes president, the media will tell the people who aren’t paying attention to what’s going on that the election is invalid because people in the blue states didn’t vote for him, when the reality is you couldn’t if you wanted to. And that will lead to even more division in this country.

[Coola Yagami]

I think the general consensus isn't so much that they can do this to Trump (someone not many people like) but the fact that if they get away with this, they will also do this to someone you actually do like and want in office.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Cowabung-Gal

Except Trump hasn’t been charged nor tried for insurrection in court

Nor has ANYONE that was arrested actually at the capitol building on 1/6. Because for it to be insurrection they would have to show a large degree of planning and coordination, but they couldn't find any.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Cowabung-Gal

The government works for the People, or at least that’s what our Founding Fathers intended.

At least you got the point of my sarcasm there.

Originally Posted by Cowabung-Gal

Except Trump hasn’t been charged nor tried for insurrection in court, and there’s still some debate over whether he is guilty of inciting the riot or not.

I’m glad you added the word “court” there. The second vote in Congress was in regards to this, and while it didn’t get the two thirds voting in favour needed, a majority still found Trump guilty of inciting the insurrection. Which I’m guessing is what the Colorado court has taken into consideration when ruling on section 3 of the 14th Amendment.

Some of those convicted for Jan 6 were for sedition, which if you read the definitions in the US legal code, isn’t particularly far from what you’d define as insurrection.

[Cowabung-Gal]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I think the general consensus isn't so much that they can do this to Trump (someone not many people like) but the fact that if they get away with this, they will also do this to someone you actually do like and want in office.

See, this guy gets it.

[Bahamut810]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

I’m glad you added the word “court” there. The second vote in Congress was in regards to this, and while it didn’t get the two thirds voting in favour needed, a majority still found Trump guilty of inciting the insurrection. Which I’m guessing is what the Colorado court has taken into consideration when ruling on section 3 of the 14th Amendment.

This is what people are talking about when they are talk about litigating from the bench. He has never been found guilty of insurrection, and he is supposed to be innocent till proven guilty. They are saying that he is legally guilty of treason and punishing him without trial. Sh!t or get off the pot, either charge him or shut up about a *very* minor semi-riot that delayed counting the votes a few hours.

This does not event get into the double standard of any elected official in that state who supported BLM in the same way and more (i.e. telling people to fight for their rights and leaving) when BLM was being very specifically was treasonous and terroristic. They have sieged federal and local government facilities (courts, police training grounds, police stations) and have used unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims..

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Bahamut810

This is what people are talking about when they are talk about litigating from the bench. He has never been found guilty of insurrection, and he is supposed to be innocent till proven guilty. They are saying that he is legally guilty of treason and punishing him without trial. Sh!t or get off the pot, either charge him or shut up about a *very* minor semi-riot that delayed counting the votes a few hours.

This does not event get into the double standard of any elected official in that state who supported BLM in the same way and more (i.e. telling people to fight for their rights and leaving) when BLM was being very specifically was treasonous and terroristic. They have sieged federal and local government facilities (courts, police training grounds, police stations) and have used unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims..

Let's not forget the politicians that were actively calling for violence if that George Floyd cop got off as not guilty.

[TurtleManiac]

Former Trump Administration Official Mike Gill killed in DC carjacking

https://people.com/mike-gill-gop-off...ampage-8558838

This is pretty wild. Especially since extreme leftists are always calling for things like “Trump should have his secret service revoked” etc. The soft on crime policy is outta control, and they’re still focused on Trump.

[Mayhem]

Repaying that $450M legal bill outcome grift starts here...

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...s-sneaker-con/

[Vegita-San]

you......redacted word.... he paid back what he owed, WITH INTEREST.

this WILL get overturned, if there is any justice left in Commie-Merica.

I hope that Trucker Boycot hurts new york BIG TIME

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Repaying that $450M legal bill outcome grift starts here...

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...s-sneaker-con/

Someone on twitter called them Air Treasons

[Mayhem]

What I hadn’t realised from reading before, is the Dump grift sneaks had already gone “on sale”. And sold out. Well I say both… buyers haven’t actually purchased the shoes. They’ve purchase a promise of shoes. No shoes will be shipped before July and even there there’s no guarantee of shipment in that timeframe. See my shocked face

[Mayhem]

Entry #73 in “I’m no longer saying you can’t make these things up”…





Trump's literally comparing himself to people such as Navalny in this tweet here, when the day before Navalny was murdered, his lawyer was in court arguing it was perfectly legal for Trump to have his political opposition murdered as long as he wasn't impeached.

Things like this I just cannot comprehend. At this point his tweets are gearing up toward inciting another insurrection. When in fact, maybe the reason you’re in the position you are in are because of things you did, not everyone else’s fault for calling you out on them.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

At this point his tweets are gearing up toward inciting another insurrection.

Hey. Summer of love, son. If it works for your side then.....

[TurtleManiac]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Repaying that $450M legal bill outcome grift starts here...

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...s-sneaker-con/

Originally Posted by Mayhem

What I hadn’t realised from reading before, is the Dump grift sneaks had already gone “on sale”. And sold out. Well I say both… buyers haven’t actually purchased the shoes. They’ve purchase a promise of shoes. No shoes will be shipped before July and even there there’s no guarantee of shipment in that timeframe. See my shocked face

Gotta admit, those Gold Trumpforce 1’s look pretty cool! Being in England it may take longer to receive your pair. Just be patient, Trump is a man of his word.

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Entry #73 in “I’m no longer saying you can’t make these things up”…


https://i.imgur.com/UcwgdwV.jpeg


Trump's literally comparing himself to people such as Navalny in this tweet here, when the day before Navalny was murdered, his lawyer was in court arguing it was perfectly legal for Trump to have his political opposition murdered as long as he wasn't impeached.

Things like this I just cannot comprehend. At this point his tweets are gearing up toward inciting another insurrection. When in fact, maybe the reason you’re in the position you are in are because of things you did, not everyone else’s fault for calling you out on them.

There actually was no proof of insurrection, nobody was charged with insurrection for J6. But here is Biden bragging about arresting his political opponents. Who’s the fascist?

https://twitter.com/julie_kelly2/sta...43477993165029

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by TurtleManiac

But here is Biden bragging about arresting his political opponents. Who’s the fascist?

You aren't going to rationalize with these guys at all. Their entire being hinges on their phony arguments at all costs. Just trap them in their own BS at this point - they are losing and dying off anyway as it is.

Insurrection? Okay, sure. Summer of love worked for you, then it works for us. Human scum.