For those in the U.S., how do you feel about food stampes (SNAP?)

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I was in the grocery store today and ahead of me at the cash register was a black mother in her 40's (?) and her two young sons. She was talking to the cashier how her food stamps are gone and how her kids have to drink tap water. Her kids asked her for cookies and some fruit snacks and she said no because now they have to pay real money for good.

She was like, "Why the hell they gotta stop the food stamps? How am I gonna feed myself, my dog, and my two sons? My minimum wage job ain't going to cover it."

I guess people are already starting to hurt. Man all those lower income black and hispanic families will be screwed over the most.

You actually left the house?

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

You actually left the house?

Only to work or for the occasional food. If only I could work from home again like during covid. Back then not a single ray of sunshine touched my skin for weeks if not months at a time. I actually forgot what clouds looked like.

[sdp]

Well don't forget the day you went to the pool and got sun tanned and your room mate was going to find out

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

OK. Fine. What are the names of some of the honest-to-goodness, totally objective and non-partisan journalists you're thinking of when you say "actual journalists"?

Quality journalism is not something subjective. It‘s non-sensational, not polemical and can be fact-checked independently. BUT of course it will be partisan here and there, at least on the surface.

You‘re a big boy, you know this. I guess you’re just too dependent on the algorithms of your news feed.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

Quality journalism is not something subjective. It‘s non-sensational, not polemical and can be fact-checked independently. BUT of course it will be partisan here and there, at least on the surface.

You‘re a big boy, you know this. I guess you’re just too dependent on the algorithms of your news feed.

As a kid or when I was in high school I did see the kind of journalists you imply there are now. But for the record... no names, then? For the here and now?

[Barkworm]

You want to know the news outlets I read? For what? To show how biased I am? Okay, here it goes:

• Frankfurter Rundschau (German center-left newspaper)
• Neue Zürcher Zeitung (Swiss conservative newspaper)
• NYT (you know it)
• The Economist (British centrist news magazine)

Balanced enough?

[ToTheNines]

The New York Slimes? Get outta here!

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Back then not a single ray of sunshine touched my skin for weeks if not months at a time.

Tried to make the outer level of whiteness match the inner, huh?



At least she's not someone just sitting around doing nothing and has the sense to tell her kids no, so I do feel for that lady. Not everyone can have the high paying jobs, there are only so many positions to go around, and not everyone can afford the education to get there or just don't have the talent for it. Or even if they do, someone else got hired over them. It's unfortunate that society undervalues a lot of work so much that people can't at least afford all the necessary basics of modern life.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

You want to know the news outlets I read? For what? To show how biased I am?

I thought you were going to name me specific reporters/journalists who would make your case that there are "Good Ones" (which I take to mean objective, putting The Story above any personal or political bias) out there still. Not your overall newsfeed.

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I thought you were going to name me specific reporters/journalists who would make your case that there are "Good Ones" (which I take to mean objective, putting The Story above any personal or political bias) out there still. Not your overall newsfeed.

1. This is not my ‚news feed‘, these are the news outlets I read, all but one of them in their print-editions (yes, like an old guy).
2. For a quality news source, you don‘t have to cherrypick single writers, the writing should be consistent. The Economist doesn‘t even name their writers for individual articles. And that‘s fine, I expect any of their articles to be about the story first without being sensationalist.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

1. This is not my ‚news feed‘, these are the news outlets I read, all but one of them in their print-editions (yes, like an old guy).
2. For a quality news source, you don‘t have to cherrypick single writers, the writing should be consistent. The Economist doesn‘t even name their writers for individual articles. And that‘s fine, I expect any of their articles to be about the story first without being sensationalist.

So in other words... none?

Not being a sh** here, just saying.

[Barkworm]

I tried to make this point above, if a news source is reliable, single journalists should not have to stand out. I could name one or two whose articles I have enjoyed or even some that I thought were crap but what difference does it make?

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

I tried to make this point above, if a news source is reliable, single journalists should not have to stand out. I could name one or two whose articles I have enjoyed or even some that I thought were crap but what difference does it make?

Apparently because Andrew thinks everyone is biased. Which is pretty much correct though.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

1. This is not my ‚news feed‘, these are the news outlets I read, all but one of them in their print-editions (yes, like an old guy).
2. For a quality news source, you don‘t have to cherrypick single writers, the writing should be consistent. The Economist doesn‘t even name their writers for individual articles. And that‘s fine, I expect any of their articles to be about the story first without being sensationalist.

From the outside, American media seems highly sensationalist or has a lot of sensationalist people. Like guys like Rush Limbaugh, The Young Turks, Bill O'Reilly, etc. who have their own shows to basically spout their political opinions in very biased ways. We don't have anything like this in my country. News are pretty mundane and normal. And even the most sensationalist newspaper/tv channel is not as bad as the most sensationalist American media or The Sun.

Maybe that's why Americans, whenever the world points a finger at them they accuse us of being spoonfed by the mass media or something. They probably assume everyone else's media is like theirs as well. Some even call mass shooting and school shootings propaganda... that's not what propaganda is. Those do happen in USA and more often than in any other developed nation. It's simply a fact.

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by Prowler

From the outside, American media seems highly sensationalist or has a lot of sensationalist people. Like guys like Rush Limbaugh, The Young Turks, Bill O'Reilly, etc. who have their own shows to basically spout their political opinions in very biased ways. We don't have anything like this in my country. News are pretty mundane and normal. And even the most sensationalist newspaper/tv channel is not as bad as the most sensationalist American media or The Sun.

Maybe that's why Americans, whenever the world points a finger at them they accuse us of being spoonfed by the mass media or something. They probably assume everyone else's media is like theirs as well.

Hmmm... You might be on to something. I never thought about it like that.

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

Hmmm... You might be on to something. I never thought about it like that.

Remember when Ben Shapiro went on the BBC and tried to do his whole thing but the older English reporter was not having any of it and refused to get played for a fool? If you haven't seen, you can easily find it on youtube still, I assume.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Prowler

Remember when Ben Shapiro went on the BBC and tried to do his whole thing but the older English reporter was not having any of it and refused to get played for a fool? If you haven't seen, you can easily find it on youtube still, I assume.

This?

[Prowler]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

This?

No? You really think I don't know who Piers Morgan is?

From the very first result on youtube search:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VixqvOcK8E

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Prowler

No? You really think I don't know who Piers Morgan is?

I figured you would but that was the only one that came to mind.

[Mayhem]

Andrew Neil generally is too savvy for any US politician