Obama Healthcare upheld in court today - Page 4

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 07-05-2012, 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by PAAATE

Still not buying it. Even from a historical standpoint, Sweden was the first country to recover from the great depression in the 1930s.

Any source for that? The Swedish welfare state as we know it today was created in the 1930's.

PAAATE · 07-05-2012, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Swedenfan 1982

Any source for that?

A few different sites claim so independently of each other... But I dunno, may not be true. I think it is, though... Just Google it.

And I really don't feel like discussing this topic anymore. I feel like I've said what I needed to say, and wanna move on :p

ThePickleweed · 07-05-2012, 08:45 PM

plain and simple - there shouldve been a public option. insurance premiums have far outpaced inflation and are crippling costs' for most families and self employed. many jobs either dont provide benefits, or if they do, they are absolute trash, or the employer has found a way to make you an idependent contractor so they dont have to provide it. and beyond all of it, we're paying for it all in the end anyways. until we're ready and willing to turn people away and allow them to die in the streets, i dont understand the hesitation to build the costs into the tax code. yes, the taxes will go up drastically, but expenses for both businesses and the individual come down, and the fear of bankruptcy over being dealt a bad hand goes away. insurance companies are insurance in name only. theyre really costco memberships for doctors. not to mention all the corruption and kickbacks from big pharmaceutical companies, the lack of actual cost of services, and ridiculous bureaucracies diametrically opposed to the patients bottom line. for profit health insurance companies are directly at odds at providing services that people are paying for. any catscan, mri, or surgery they can weasel out of is better for their bottom line and worse for your health. ive seen too many people duking it out with health insurance companies when they should be by the bedside of a dying loved one.

and there is no actual decisive cost to any of this. how much is an xray? a blood test? mri? i dont know. dont know. and dont know, until after the test have been done and the doc and insuranc ecompany hammered it out on what im going to be bent over for and i get the bill in the mail. is there any reason why it costs 800 bucks for bloodwork without insurance, but just having insurance gets a 200 dollar discount on the price, insurance covers the rest and then costs me 20 instead? medical care of ANY kind is unobtainable without "insurance", just like it's been designed to be. and im not of the mindset that people should be destined to die because they arent productive to collecting taxes.

the system sickens me, and it baffles me how people can somehow defend it.

and here i am on a ninja turtle forum getting all serious. :?

*Andrew NDB* · 12-11-2025, 01:27 PM

I'm just curious... but does anyone here actually know anybody who is using Obamacare/the ACA?

*IMJ* · 12-11-2025, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I'm just curious... but does anyone here actually know anybody who is using Obamacare/the ACA?

People who use it are usually in the SNAP program - the two commonly go hand-in-hand. It's not a program widely used by the free market as a regular-use thing. It fit in more nicely in the handout programs like SNAP, TANF, etc and "Medical" via ACA markets are basically always part of those evaluations.

A secondary use case is small business owners looking to self-insure.

But it's not remotely the "free market use shopping tool" it should be. It's mostly associated with social-aid programs.

*Mayhem* · 12-12-2025, 04:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I'm just curious... but does anyone here actually know anybody who is using Obamacare/the ACA?

Yeah, my last American gf's parents were using it. Retirement and health disability wasn't paying enough to survive.

07-05-2012, 08:45 PM	#63
ThePickleweed Thug Join Date: Apr 2012 Posts: 61	plain and simple - there shouldve been a public option. insurance premiums have far outpaced inflation and are crippling costs' for most families and self employed. many jobs either dont provide benefits, or if they do, they are absolute trash, or the employer has found a way to make you an idependent contractor so they dont have to provide it. and beyond all of it, we're paying for it all in the end anyways. until we're ready and willing to turn people away and allow them to die in the streets, i dont understand the hesitation to build the costs into the tax code. yes, the taxes will go up drastically, but expenses for both businesses and the individual come down, and the fear of bankruptcy over being dealt a bad hand goes away. insurance companies are insurance in name only. theyre really costco memberships for doctors. not to mention all the corruption and kickbacks from big pharmaceutical companies, the lack of actual cost of services, and ridiculous bureaucracies diametrically opposed to the patients bottom line. for profit health insurance companies are directly at odds at providing services that people are paying for. any catscan, mri, or surgery they can weasel out of is better for their bottom line and worse for your health. ive seen too many people duking it out with health insurance companies when they should be by the bedside of a dying loved one. and there is no actual decisive cost to any of this. how much is an xray? a blood test? mri? i dont know. dont know. and dont know, until after the test have been done and the doc and insuranc ecompany hammered it out on what im going to be bent over for and i get the bill in the mail. is there any reason why it costs 800 bucks for bloodwork without insurance, but just having insurance gets a 200 dollar discount on the price, insurance covers the rest and then costs me 20 instead? medical care of ANY kind is unobtainable without "insurance", just like it's been designed to be. and im not of the mindset that people should be destined to die because they arent productive to collecting taxes. the system sickens me, and it baffles me how people can somehow defend it. and here i am on a ninja turtle forum getting all serious. :?

12-11-2025, 01:27 PM	#64
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,594	I'm just curious... but does anyone here actually know anybody who is using Obamacare/the ACA?