Saddam: Captured

[Kali]

AHEM

Funny, I thought there was a rule against political bashing here. Oh wait, there is.

Discuss Saddam and the war if you must, but do NOT insult another poster. Even if you don't agree with them. You can disagree, but don't play your own opinions and interpretations as fact.

[Tokka-B]

Funny, you say that when I DIDN'T POLITICALLY BASH ANYONE!

[One Radical Dude]

Was your name mentioned at all, Tokka?

[The Defibrillator]

Machi: THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. I agree with all your thoughts.

Back on topic: I don't understand you Bush-haters. You say he "started" the war to finish what his dad started? How can you even possibly think that he's that stupid. I am a full Bush supporter, but if I wasn't, I wouldn't blame his "war-starting" on finishing his dads job. That's so lame.... No one is that stupid. Especially someone who made it to presidential office. No one could make it to the White House without at least SOME brains.....And he has a lot more than a lot of people too.

About Saddam....Just kill the dang fool.

I know you liberals are always ranting about "human rights" and such.....but where do you draw the line? He didn't give the THOUSANDS of people he killed basic human rights.

My personal opinion is, whoever found him, should have "accidentally" killed him. Ya know, dropped a grenade into his little spider hole or something. Now we have to waste our money keeping him alive and taking him to court for his war crimes when we probably could have done away with him anyways. I don't think we should torture Saddam, but he DEFINITELY deserves to die.

[ZariusTwo]

Bush AND Saddam should die

I apologise for any bashing to Pro-Bush activists, think what you want, this country is way better off without the war-mongoring b*stard.

[One Radical Dude]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Bush AND Saddam should die

I apologise for any bashing to Pro-Bush activists, think what you want, this country is way better off without the war-mongoring b*stard.

That's harsh, man. I'm talking about you wanting Bush dead (Saddam, on the other hand, should be beaten to death). Why should Bush die, in your opinion?

Would you rather have another Bill Clinton, who did nothing but let bin Laden go..and did nothing but spent his time with Monica and the other interns? Yeah, we need someone like him.

[MW8979]

Saddam Hussein is captured - that is good news. I mean, after all, he was a dictator and so he probably doesn't deserve to govern all those people, especially after killing so many of them. Fair enough....

But now, how about we focus on the actual Iraqi people instead of the American government's vanity. Are they better off? Marginally. Despite what the CNN tells you, they're not all happy and overjoyed. The media greatly skews what's really happening - it's called spin doctoring. In reality these same "liberating" troops are now busy arresting, killing and interrgating a whole lot of native civilians, all based on suspicions of "being a nationalist rebel". Hardly sounds like hero stuff, does it? Despair and anger is what these troops helped bring to Iraq so far, opressing the local population, just to a lesser degree. But when you listen to CNN, it really does seem strange that out of nowhere, all these resistnace groups just keep spawning, apparently out to get these "benevolent and ever so kind" Americans. Take some time to analyze that one.

Furthermore, US troops should have never been in that country in the first place. Why? Because it's none of their business what goes on there. Nobody made that country the "world police" and they shouldn't try to assume that role. Such "benevolent", but forceful policing is and will lead to more conflicts with other developed nations. But then, why did all those soldiers go there and why did some die there? Very simple: to finish what Bush senior had started, for one. And two, to obtain all the oil resources of that country. And although Bush is certainly to blame for this, his republican funding friends are infinately more guilty. All they can see is the pile of money, and they don't care about people or wars. Truly a terrible mentality. And so they play lil' ol' Bush like the good puppet he is and like the good ventriliquists they are. Bush family profits too, of course (they own a big oil company in case you didn't know).

On top of this, these greedy people are now excluding other countries from building in Iraq. Officially, this is because of "not helping out". But in reality, they just want to keep all the money in the country, to themselves, so no foreign capital can profit from this. Again, unstoppable greed, and complete media compliance. And media is quite their slave too - why else do you think Bush's previous drug usage was so quickly hushed down and never came up again? I don't know.....could be a big fat paycheck....but I don't know....

And if you think that America is so friendly and loves to help out poor nations even when there are no financial interests, take a look at Liberia. That country was in turmoil this year, very poor economy and founded by the US may I add. Instead of helping these people, what do we see on the news? "USA pulls its troops out and leaves the situation to escalate". Suddenly, there was no dire urge to help those people and set up a good government there. But in Iraq, all kinds of "help" was offered. This is hypocrisy at its finest.

So as you see, America is doing all kinds of inappropriate things right now. They're not helping anyone, but themselves and this only serves to further the gap between them and their allies and to create more hatred and determination within their enemies.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by One Radical Dude

That's harsh, man. I'm talking about you wanting Bush dead (Saddam, on the other hand, should be beaten to death). Why should Bush die, in your opinion?

What does it matter to pro-war activists?

You don't listien, you see nothing past what Bush had done for his own ends, it's the oil dude, not liberation, yes Saddam is an ass, but asses are never targeted until someone wants more power.

Would you rather have another Bill Clinton, who did nothing but let bin Laden go..and did nothing but spent his time with Monica and the other interns? Yeah, we need someone like him.

Yeah, we do, because being a horny dude is nothing compared to a massacre.

And clearly you're in the dark regarding Clinton's political acheivments

[Kali]

Originally Posted by Tokka

Funny, you say that when I DIDN'T POLITICALLY BASH ANYONE!

I didn't mention your name at all. In fact, I wrote that before I even saw your post.

[One Radical Dude]

Originally Posted by SuperShredder84

Saddam Hussein is captured - that is good news. I mean, after all, he was a dictator and so he probably doesn't deserve to govern all those people, especially after killing so many of them. Fair enough....

But now, how about we focus on the actual Iraqi people instead of the American government's vanity. Are they better off? Marginally. Despite what the CNN tells you, they're not all happy and overjoyed. The media greatly skews what's really happening - it's called spin doctoring. In reality these same "liberating" troops are now busy arresting, killing and interrgating a whole lot of native civilians, all based on suspicions of "being a nationalist rebel". Hardly sounds like hero stuff, does it? Despair and anger is what these troops helped bring to Iraq so far, opressing the local population, just to a lesser degree. But when you listen to CNN, it really does seem strange that out of nowhere, all these resistnace groups just keep spawning, apparently out to get these "benevolent and ever so kind" Americans. Take some time to analyze that one.

Furthermore, US troops should have never been in that country in the first place. Why? Because it's none of their business what goes on there. Nobody made that country the "world police" and they shouldn't try to assume that role. Such "benevolent", but forceful policing is and will lead to more conflicts with other developed nations. But then, why did all those soldiers go there and why did some die there? Very simple: to finish what Bush senior had started, for one. And two, to obtain all the oil resources of that country. And although Bush is certainly to blame for this, his republican funding friends are infinately more guilty. All they can see is the pile of money, and they don't care about people or wars. Truly a terrible mentality. And so they play lil' ol' Bush like the good puppet he is and like the good ventriliquists they are. Bush family profits too, of course (they own a big oil company in case you didn't know).

On top of this, these greedy people are now excluding other countries from building in Iraq. Officially, this is because of "not helping out". But in reality, they just want to keep all the money in the country, to themselves, so no foreign capital can profit from this. Again, unstoppable greed, and complete media compliance. And media is quite their slave too - why else do you think Bush's previous drug usage was so quickly hushed down and never came up again? I don't know.....could be a big fat paycheck....but I don't know....

And if you think that America is so friendly and loves to help out poor nations even when there are no financial interests, take a look at Liberia. That country was in turmoil this year, very poor economy and founded by the US may I add. Instead of helping these people, what do we see on the news? "USA pulls its troops out and leaves the situation to escalate". Suddenly, there was no dire urge to help those people and set up a good government there. But in Iraq, all kinds of "help" was offered. This is hypocrisy at its finest.

So as you see, America is doing all kinds of inappropriate things right now. They're not helping anyone, but themselves and this only serves to further the gap between them and their allies and to create more hatred and determination within their enemies.

I'm sorry, but the mainstream media is making us look like we're villains (in many cases, they do a good job brainwashing some people). It is true that not everyone is happy in Iraq, but the majority DO feel that they're better off without Saddam and are glad to see him gone. Do the soldiers need to leave? No!! N-O...NO!!! There is still a lot of work that needs to be done. Too many liberals think we're spending too much time in Iraq. Well, history shows that forces spent much more time in Europe after the end of WWII.

As for resistant groups, I've read and heard from other sources that those forces are mostly groups from Iran and Syria, and not really Iraqis (that isn't to say that there are no Iraqis resisting the coalition).

Why do you keep bringing up "Bush profiting for oil"? Sheesh.

I support the president all the way, and I hope he beats one of the 9-10 bozos running against him next year.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by One Radical Dude

I support the president all the way, and I hope he beats one of the 9-10 bozos running against him next year.

Oh yes, mature answers from "mature" Americans, lay down all those who can make this country far better for those within it and support someone who makes most want to burn the American flag.

I hate Political threads, in fact one message board bans all this kind of crap.

I'm out of this discussion

[One Radical Dude]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Oh yes, mature answers from "mature" Americans, lay down all those who can make this country far better for those within it and support someone who makes most want to burn the American flag.

I hate Political threads, in fact one message board bans all this kind of crap.

I'm out of this discussion

If you hate political threads, why did you participate in it?

[Anarky]

because the oil thing is true. he personally might not be interested in oil but the people behind him want that oil for themselves.

if i put that very simple "He who controls the oil controls the world" (I mean, cars, Cds, plastic...)

of course, every media is brainwashing ESPECIALLY the US-media. I never heard that much bull$#it in such short time. i have the advantage to see news from 5 different countries (Switzerland, Germany, France, England, USA) that i actually understand. The differences are HUGE.

Read Chomsky.

[Mr. Snackpants]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Bush AND Saddam should die

I apologise for any bashing to Pro-Bush activists, think what you want, this country is way better off without the war-mongoring b*stard.

Why the hell should Bush Die???? Why dont you worry about your own country........

[One Radical Dude]

I'm not saying that oil was never part of the reason why this war was present, but I disagree with those that say that it is the ONLY reason.

I'm not surprised with the differences in the media coverage. I've heard about the Arab media (i.e. Al-Jazeera), and from what I heard, they really do a good job putting an Anti-American spin on the news.

[Anarky]

of course there were other reasons for that war (i.e. that every better US-Prez needs a war to be "cool"). but one of the most obvious ones was the oil thing. why weren't US-soldiers allowed to shoot enemy soldiers standing on oil-thingys (you know those pump-things they use, my english has just gone AWOL )

Thing is that i've been against Bush jr. since day 1. he won those elections because he cheated. (guess who's boss of florida? Jeb Bush! strange coincidence) then there were these liaisons with his father's friends.

IMO Bush shouldn't die neither should Saddam. They both should simply be "put aside". like give each of 'em a big house and a live long salary as long as they don't work.

I only wish i'd be able to understand Al-Jazeera. Do you? If no you can only believe that they have anti-american statements in there, because (and here's the twist) the US.Media told you so. See what i mean?

[That Matt Guy]

I knew this topic would get out of hand, and every damn person would come out of the woodwork to dump on Bush.

All of you foreigners make it your lifes job to f***ing insult him and every damn move he makes. He isn't a genius, and he isn't the greatest leader in history, but my god; don't try to hide that obvious fact that you just like to insult this country.

And btw, I don't like Bush either; but I don't give a damn what he does.

[Dane E5R]

Some of you guys are real class acts.. I've never seen such examples of idiocy on this board in my life.. Seriously, how could you guys just attack Machias like that? Did you read anything she said? Because after reading her post, any person with the slightest hint of common sense wouldn't even consider bashing what she'd said. ZariousTwo, who the hell are you to even speak, when you clearly know nothing about what's going on? And Rez, get out of here, really, I don't believe anyone wants you here. I don't see how you guys could take a topic about such a GREAT THING and totally MANGLE IT INTO SOME UGLY, TWISTED debate about this country. How dare any of you make us out to be the villains. How f*cking dare you. Jesus. Leo needs to get his ass back here ASAP and set you morons straight. Sorry, this may not have been one of the smartest posts I've ever written, but I don't give a damn. I'm too pissed to care.

E5R = Officially livid.

[Machias Banshee]

Okay..

After speaking with some of the other mods, it is agreed that some people cannot handle the maturity of such a topic, and thus is over with.


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