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[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Yeah, I think Trump was pretty sure that that first big strike was supposed to basically decapitate Iran. When it didn't, everything after that felt like floundering around.

At the very least, Trump did succeed in "unmasking" Iran. Since I was a kid they were like the boogeyman, like if we ever pissed them off the world better WATCH OUT! But as it turns out, even if you bomb the crap out of them repeatedly apparently they have nothing, really. They can just annoy ships in the Hormuz Strait once in a while, that's it.

Wait what? I thought they had nukes?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Wait what? I thought they had nukes?

Not THAT. I mean that they'd just quietly send suicide bombers or set up dirty bombs in various cities or things of that nature. Now, I don't doubt their level of evil, corruption and cruelty of the regime (unless you guys have a great rationale for them massacring tens of thousands of their own people in the streets, and that's just in the past year?) there but now we know they're a paper tiger. The bully on the playground you shove and does nothing back.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

So you actually believed Iran was going to send waves of suicide bombers and set up dirty bombs into American cities?

Atleast President Trump helped dispel that myth for you!

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by FredWolfLeonardo

So you actually believed Iran was going to send waves of suicide bombers and set up dirty bombs into American cities?

I guess blame the leftist media for instilling that since childhood. As you know, I didn't even vote Republican until Trump's second term.

[Mayhem]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Point 2 is a little unfair. In 2024 Trump was running on the promise of stopping the wars in Gaza and Ukraine. He was running on releasing the Epstein files and locking up pedos. He was running on better cost of living for regular people.

No, he was simply running to keep his arse out of jail.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Not THAT. I mean that they'd just quietly send suicide bombers or set up dirty bombs in various cities or things of that nature. Now, I don't doubt their level of evil, corruption and cruelty of the regime (unless you guys have a great rationale for them massacring tens of thousands of their own people in the streets, and that's just in the past year?) there but now we know they're a paper tiger. The bully on the playground you shove and does nothing back.

It did actually happen in the early weeks after the attacks into Israel… except it was uncovered that the attack units arrested in Saudi Arabia trying to set stuff up to blame on Hamas etc were Mossad agents. If anything happens on US soil, I’d be far more likely to look to Bibi… who’s also feeling the heat election wise.

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I guess blame the leftist media

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I guess blame the leftist media for instilling that since childhood. As you know, I didn't even vote Republican until Trump's second term.

This is a good point. The establishment clearly has it out for Iran and there’s nothing any president is really going to do about it. Hell, Kamala was basically campaigning on the promise of attacking Iran, so I think some version of the situation we’re currently in was just inevitable.

[Barkworm]

If you have a look at page 2 of the news section, you‘ll find a thread about a potential conflict with Iran from 2005. So yeah, somehow it‘s been a long time coming.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

This is what happens in the midterms, true. What makes it exceptional is the scale: estimated House losses of roughly 38–55 seats put it among the biggest wave elections, and the Democrats’ gain of at least seven Senate seats is among the worst Senate defeats for a president’s party in nearly a century. The results in Texas, South Carolina and Kansas are not the usual midterm flip at all.

Yeah there’s been a major shift. I live in a red state but a LOT of my county and city stuff flipped to Democrat last week. I think people are just tired of the clown ****.

Like all the Republican attack ads I got in the mail and see online are just embarrassing boomer cringe. The Democrat campaigns weren’t even running on anything interesting, they seemed to have won just by acting normal lol.

We keep FM radio on in the house for background noise and I almost had to call our favorite station and complain because my 4 year old asked me “daddy, what’s the woke sex change industry?” thanks to some moronic losers campaign commercial.

[Andrew NDB]

This is kind of the point where the left is looking around like a falcon for any right violence, praying for it. Looks like... not happening? No rallies where they can invite them in and do a bit of theatre and do docs for another few years?

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

This is a good point. The establishment clearly has it out for Iran and there’s nothing any president is really going to do about it. Hell, Kamala was basically campaigning on the promise of attacking Iran, so I think some version of the situation we’re currently in was just inevitable.

I don't disagree with The Establishment™ in this way. Iran's government has to go. One way or the other. Or... I mean, it doesn't? But the "it doesn't" route means super regulation and continued horrible quality of life for its citizens and, hello, WOMEN there. But if we're to step back and go, "OK, we're not the police of the world" and just let them sort it out, OK. I kind of wish Trump had timed his big attack for before all those people had been killed in Iran to see if that'd have made a difference... but at a certain point, OK. They either sort their own stuff out or they don't, and that's that.

[Barkworm]

I've said this before, all Germany-based Iranians I know where super-excited about the attacks... in the beginning. Then, everything just went nowhere. If anything, the Iranian government looks stronger than before now.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I don't disagree with The Establishment™ in this way. Iran's government has to go. One way or the other. Or... I mean, it doesn't? But the "it doesn't" route means super regulation and continued horrible quality of life for its citizens and, hello, WOMEN there. But if we're to step back and go, "OK, we're not the police of the world" and just let them sort it out, OK. I kind of wish Trump had timed his big attack for before all those people had been killed in Iran to see if that'd have made a difference... but at a certain point, OK. They either sort their own stuff out or they don't, and that's that.

So Kamala Harris (who you think is a literal communist for some reason), Joe Biden (openly corrupt puppet), Hillary Clinton (where do I even start?) and countless other Dems that I know you despise are all all-in on “Iran must go!”…

Do you think there’s even a chance you’ve been propagandized into holding this position?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

I've said this before, all Germany-based Iranians I know where super-excited about the attacks... in the beginning. Then, everything just went nowhere. If anything, the Iranian government looks stronger than before now.

I don't reaaally buy that either. I think we're looking at very small modules of people buried deep calling the shots of very few but in very important places (as in, to kill any dissenters), but it doesn't really matter at the end of the day. The ones that could have risen up are either dead already or are in too few numbers now, if I was to guess. Because they had the best rallying call they ever could have had but again.... had it been a bit sooner, maybe different. But academic now.

[ranger_scout]

I'll post it here instead what Dave Chapelle and liberal podcasters have been saying about Charlie Kirk is why I'm glad to be cutting news out of my life.

[ToTheNines]

Why are you listening to liberal podcasts?

[ranger_scout]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Why are you listening to liberal podcasts?

I don't listen to them, but when I saw something pop up about what a liberal podcast said that was when I was glad to cut news out of my life.

[FredWolfLeonardo]

Are Republicians really that much less liberal? You're obviously a person of faith with socially conservative values.

What about a Democrat establishment is that much more "end of the world" than a Republician establishment?

Either way, you're not getting a ruling party with socially conservative values. I say this as a person of faith myself.

[Mayhem]

Republican christians are not much different from those who left England to come to the new world. Contrary to popular belief, they didn't leave due to persecution, they were ruled against by the then English Government for excessive persecution towards other people. Frustrated by the "loosening of morals" and lack of purity, they left to found a new colony where they could persecute non believers at will. And here we are today 400 years later finding them doing exactly the same...

Originally Posted by ranger_scout

I'll post it here instead what Dave Chapelle and liberal podcasters have been saying about Charlie Kirk is why I'm glad to be cutting news out of my life.

Well, Charlie was right about one thing... Texas never flipped blue in his lifetime...

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Mayhem

Well, Charlie was right about one thing... Texas never flipped blue in his lifetime...

You're the 9999th person to make that same unfunny gravedancing joke.