James Gunn DC Slate

[ToTheNines]

Watch Disney swoop in lmao

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Breaking: Skydance potentially looking to sell off DC

https://comicbookmovie.com/dc-studio...-debts-a230926

It looks like it is "rumored" that they are "considering" selling off DC. So that's not much of anything at all.

It makes sense money-wise but... what was the purpose of buying WB, then? Just for... eh... Harry Potter? The back catalogue? Plus, why dismantle Gunn/Safran at DC right before shopping it around? I don't think it'll happen.

[oldmanwinters]

If they sell, I guess Time really is up for Warner's!

And I love the idea that the TMNT IP is considered a more valuable brand to hold onto than the entirely of the DC stable.

[IMJ]

The problem everywhere were that comic books used to be their own industry that had regular revenue and interest. That culture reinforced these things appearing in other media and the culture grew.

but now? If the movie's don't have traction then NO ONE gets involved and if a movie DOES have traction, then sure the dollars pour into the ticket sales but you MIGHT sell a few comics as spillover.

"Comic books" are very broken and it's worse all around when a publisher's movies don't cut it.

[oldmanwinters]

Originally Posted by IMJ

The problem everywhere were that comic books used to be their own industry that had regular revenue and interest. That culture reinforced these things appearing in other media and the culture grew.

but now? If the movie's don't have traction then NO ONE gets involved and if a movie DOES have traction, then sure the dollars pour into the ticket sales but you MIGHT sell a few comics as spillover.

"Comic books" are very broken and it's worse all around when a publisher's movies don't cut it.

And somehow we still get like 5 different TMNT issues a month!

But I know what you mean.

Remember when there was a new Superman issue on the newsstand rack for week of the year (even in Leap years), and they had had general sequential continuity?

How many monthly titles did Batman and Spider-man have at the peak of their influence? And that's to say nothing of the entire "X-" family of books that almost seemed like self-parody with all the variations Marvel was printing.

[IMJ]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

And somehow we still get like 5 different TMNT issues a month!

But I know what you mean.

Remember when there was a new Superman issue on the newsstand rack for week of the year (even in Leap years), and they had had general sequential continuity?

How many monthly titles did Batman and Spider-man have at the peak of their influence? And that's to say nothing of the entire "X-" family of books that almost seemed like self-parody with all the variations Marvel was printing.

Yup....

And you know, in many ways the TMNT thing makes sense. Pump out your strongest property to keep things afloat and hopefully drum up dollars for other stuff.

The modifier nowadays though is not true, organic growth. Publishers are relying on extracting more dollars from the dug-in readership rather than finding new readers to keep things going. Honestly, comic sales have become a pyramid scheme with a diminishing base.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

We can only hope Lanterns is canceled and doesn't get a second season.

Yes, we can only hope. The bigger question is, assuming they don't COMPLETELY reboot things post-Gunn... what do they do with Green Lantern? Because there's absolutely no salvaging anything within "Lanterns." It decimated everything, on seemingly every level. They made the star of Green Lantern an old man and dead and probably a racist, for starters. Where do you go with that? You don't.

Seriously, SEVERE damage has been done to GL in ways that are far, far worse than anything the 2014 movie did.

Originally Posted by IMJ

The problem everywhere were that comic books used to be their own industry that had regular revenue and interest. That culture reinforced these things appearing in other media and the culture grew.

but now? If the movie's don't have traction then NO ONE gets involved and if a movie DOES have traction, then sure the dollars pour into the ticket sales but you MIGHT sell a few comics as spillover.

"Comic books" are very broken and it's worse all around when a publisher's movies don't cut it.

The whole thing is predictably disgusting. And we could see it coming a mile away. DC Comics' people getting manhandled by WB execs and when Marvel Studios sold to Disney, it was the same in both camps. Suddenly, rather than having the comics drive the movies as the movies kept coming the comics were used to just imitate what was presently going on in the movies (which was, in turn, imitating -- poorly, generally -- older comic stories) and/or to advertise for them. So you get this snake eating its own tail.

That, and add a bunch of pink haired feminists adding in tons of ideology into comics and now the whole thing is radioactive to high hell. You can see toward the end of the "big wave" of comic book movies and such we were started to get movie and TV projects born out of the pink haired feminist era, but nobody turned up for it. Stuff like Ironheart, Ms. Marvel. Also predictably, they thought they would have "But it's adapting comic stories!" armor. But there's no such thing as sh** comic book story armor.

Its even worse at Marvel, where you can see exactly what their plan was from the start (or at least when Disney got them). Their plan was literally to have all their big characters age right alongside the actors until they would all retire/age out or get killed so they can then slowly replace them one by one with diverse and LGBTQ versions or other characters entirely in that vein. This was the way the MCU was engineered, and now they're having to do Doomsday and Secret Wars to undo that architecture.

[CyberCubed]

Why would they sell DC? What would even be the point of buying them? I thought it was to make movies, which they couldn't do if they no longer own them. The whole thing would be pointless.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Why would they sell DC? What would even be the point of buying them? I thought it was to make movies, which they couldn't do if they no longer own them. The whole thing would be pointless.

No point at all (especially with Skydance paying so MUCH over-value) which is why I suspect this is FAKE.

It'd be like if you bought a football team worth 50 million that used do good 6-7 years ago for 100 million, then fired everyone on it including the coach and put it back on the market for like 40 million.

The DC properties were like 75% of the point, IP-wise.

[Andrew NDB]

Hm...

"Screaming match about Man of Tomorrow"? Possible lesbian stuff with the new Wonder Woman and Hawkgirl in the movie?

https://cosmicbook.news/gunn-setting...GSFiGZ4E1P_4aQ

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Hm...

"Screaming match about Man of Tomorrow"? Possible lesbian stuff with the new Wonder Woman and Hawkgirl in the movie?

https://cosmicbook.news/gunn-setting...GSFiGZ4E1P_4aQ

Cosmic book news is ******** man come on. They make up most of what they post

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

Cosmic book news is ******** man come on. They make up most of what they post

This isn't 2009 anymore. They are about as accurate as anybody else and generally cite links to the sources.

[oldmanwinters]

Newest social media rumor is that the next Superman movie might...
Skip Theatres Altogether!

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by oldmanwinters

Newest social media rumor is that the next Superman movie might...
Skip Theatres Altogether!

I think that's the origin of this "Skydance might sell off DC" rumor. They might sell off *Man of Tomorrow (to a streamer, another studio, etc.). Not DC at large.

[ZariusTwo]

Sounds like either Justice League or Batman was right around the corner after Man of Tomorrow.



So either way, we would have had everything fast tracked just as it was with Snyder



https://www.indiewire.com/news/analy...ce-1235226827/

[Fenryr]

At this point, DC should start with a Justice League movie and just pretend like they're a dozen films in. One time, Batman made up a bunch of ways to detain the other League members and the bad guys stole them and used them. There's still some bitterness and guilt there, but there's an Amazo to fight right now. No time for angst.

End it with something big that echoes through the next few movies instead of using a few movies to slowly introduce characters that have been in the zeitgeist for the better part of a century.

[ZariusTwo]

Warner had plans like that (start with a JL movie) decades ago and had one ready to go and knee deep in pre-production before cancelling it.

Starting with JL also happened on television with a failed pilot in the 90s.

Even Batman vs Superman is an old idea they finally got around to.

[Fenryr]

That was the one shooting in... Australia? And the 97 pilot was pitched as "Friends with superpowers" which is bad and dumb and wrong.

It can't possibly be this hard to figure out a decent story that gives all these guys something to do. They've been doing it for decades! And if you feel like you absolutely must start with an origin, take the best parts of New Frontier and the best parts of Secret Origins, the first arc of the DCAU Justice League, and, voila, a few folks who've been around the block leading a few noobs up against White Martians with a Martian of their own on the team. This **** is easy.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Warner had plans like that (start with a JL movie) decades ago and had one ready to go and knee deep in pre-production before cancelling it.

I remember that. I was so excited. IGN would have some little tidbit about preproduction like every other day until it fizzled out.

Originally Posted by Fenryr

That was the one shooting in... Australia? And the 97 pilot was pitched as "Friends with superpowers" which is bad and dumb and wrong.

It can't possibly be this hard to figure out a decent story that gives all these guys something to do. They've been doing it for decades! And if you feel like you absolutely must start with an origin, take the best parts of New Frontier and the best parts of Secret Origins, the first arc of the DCAU Justice League, and, voila, a few folks who've been around the block leading a few noobs up against White Martians with a Martian of their own on the team. This **** is easy.

I can’t tell you how much I agree with you. These movies can basically write themselves, it’s crazy.