Splinters story

Shreddette · 02-13-2004, 02:58 PM

Ok I am just wondering... since I was recently watching some of the old TMNT cartoons, I noticed something that doesn't make sense...

Whenever the turtles or splinter tells their story about how they came to be, they say that the mutagen causes them to turn into what they were most recently in contact with. The turtles, of course, were most recently in contact with Hamato Yoshi... and then they say he was most recently with the rats-- this makes no sense because... while he was in contact with rats, at the time of being mutated he was in contact with the turtles. That is more recent, not the rats... so really, he should be a turtle...

or am I taking it out of context...?

~~Reznorite420~~ · 02-13-2004, 03:00 PM

He had stepped into the mutagen just before touching the turtles.

Shreddette · 02-13-2004, 03:06 PM

Ahh, kay....

Damn. I guess he was playing with some rats before he came to rescue the turtles.

But... if you got cute little turtles in your home, why would one go out to play with smelly dirty rats who might have diseases?

That Yoshi... what a crazy craze...

Savanti Romero · 02-13-2004, 03:46 PM

The old cartoon series origin story doesn't actually make perfect sense. I think there was a thread about what origin story made the most sense a while back.

~~Reznorite420~~ · 02-13-2004, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Savanti Romero

The old cartoon series origin story doesn't actually make perfect sense. I think there was a thread about what origin story made the most sense a while back.

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Originally Posted by me

He had stepped into the mutagen just before touching the turtles.

Makes enough sense to me.

*Cascadia* · 02-14-2004, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Shreddette

Ahh, kay....

Damn. I guess he was playing with some rats before he came to rescue the turtles.

But... if you got cute little turtles in your home, why would one go out to play with smelly dirty rats who might have diseases?

That Yoshi... what a crazy craze...

turtles do carry a disease. *a little bit of info that I could not resist in saying*

Ace Duck · 02-16-2004, 05:59 PM

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The old cartoon series origin story doesn't actually make perfect sense. I think there was a thread about what origin story made the most sense a while back.

Are you kidding? The old cartoon series origin makes a thousand times more sense than the comics origin.

(A thousand times zero is zero, for you non-mathematicians out there.)

I kind of prefer the cartoon series origin...I always thought that the comics origin (Splinter starting out as Hamato Yoshi's pet rat and learning ninjutsu by observing his master) was intended to be completely ridiculous because the original comic was supposed to be a parody of other Marvel comics, right?

**Karpo_007** · 02-16-2004, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Ace Duck

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The old cartoon series origin story doesn't actually make perfect sense. I think there was a thread about what origin story made the most sense a while back.

Are you kidding? The old cartoon series origin makes a thousand times more sense than the comics origin.

(A thousand times zero is zero, for you non-mathematicians out there.)

Good one. Rat learning ninjitsu is not any more realistic than fully grown human being mutating into a rat. And Yeah, the concept of TMNT is totally ridiculous, and that was E/L's intention I believe.

*Wes* · 02-16-2004, 08:30 PM

Actually, rats are pretty smart...you can train them to do all sorts of tricks, and the buggers will actually answer to their names...so a particularly smart rat could probably grasp some of the basics of ninjitsu, anyway...

Plus, if the mutagen made Splinter smarter, perhaps it would've given him access to memories (and teachings) that he couldn't have fully grasped before, yet were still buried deep in his mind.

One possible explanation, though we clearly see the rat doing hardcore martial arts in the film and games.

I don't remember having seen the comic origin pages.

In the cartoon, I'm thinking Splinter should've become a humanoid rat-turtle, since he was in contact with the rats and then the Turtles.

**Jester** · 03-03-2004, 10:46 AM

yeah....right....well splinter was an established character....they had to make him a rat...that's how he was....a rat...will always be a rat....maybe he steped on a rat after touching the mutagen....but who knows....but which origen do u like better?? I kinda like the movie origen....love betral....it rocks

*Deathknight* · 03-03-2004, 02:39 PM

Makes more sense to me. And Yoshi walks onto the mutagen before he picked up the turtles and he had bare feet. I would imagine that when he walked onto the mutagen he had most recently been with rats but picks up the turtles 5 seconds later. A rat learning ninjitsu just doesn't make any sense to me. Rats are smart but how would a rat learn it just by mimicing it and then know how to use it properly? Although, the concept of either substance from the comics/new toon/movies and the old cartoon is just of silly to begin with. A substance that speeds up evolution vs. a substance that mutates you with whatever you come into contact with. And yes there have been several threads about which origin story is better and each story has won a few times. And for those of you who say that you never see him with the rats in the old cartoon in the origin it says "Then one day" meaning it didn't happen right after you'd last seen Yoshi and he had been with rats in a scene we hadn't seen.

**Kali** · 03-03-2004, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Deathknight

A rat learning ninjitsu just doesn't make any sense to me. Rats are smart but how would a rat learn it just by mimicing it and then know how to use it properly?

Everything learns through mimic. The true understanding supposedly came after the mutation.

Splinter · 03-03-2004, 05:24 PM

Also remember that it's been established in several places that Splinter was never an ordinary rodent. It's also been mentioned by Peter Laird. He was always a mutant, gifted with enhanced lifespan and intelligence. And then thanks to the ooze, he was mutated into a humanoid form.

*Deathknight* · 03-03-2004, 10:06 PM

Well, nobody ever told me that.

Orochi Chimera · 03-04-2004, 11:16 AM

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Also remember that it's been established in several places that Splinter was never an ordinary rodent. It's also been mentioned by Peter Laird. He was always a mutant, gifted with enhanced lifespan and intelligence. And then thanks to the ooze, he was mutated into a humanoid form.

That's the first time I heard that. Very interesting.

Where does it specificly state that?

Splinter · 03-04-2004, 11:36 AM

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That's the first time I heard that. Very interesting.

Where does it specificly state that?

Laird has said it a few times, in various interviews. It may be in a letters column or two also. And it's in the TMNT RPG book that Eastman and Laird contributed info for.

Orochi Chimera · 03-04-2004, 11:42 AM

Splinter:

Thanks for the info.

02-13-2004, 02:58 PM	#1
Shreddette Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Chained to Shredders Bed Posts: 402	Splinters story Ok I am just wondering... since I was recently watching some of the old TMNT cartoons, I noticed something that doesn't make sense... Whenever the turtles or splinter tells their story about how they came to be, they say that the mutagen causes them to turn into what they were most recently in contact with. The turtles, of course, were most recently in contact with Hamato Yoshi... and then they say he was most recently with the rats-- this makes no sense because... while he was in contact with rats, at the time of being mutated he was in contact with the turtles. That is more recent, not the rats... so really, he should be a turtle... or am I taking it out of context...?

02-13-2004, 03:46 PM	#4
Savanti Romero Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 600	The old cartoon series origin story doesn't actually make perfect sense. I think there was a thread about what origin story made the most sense a while back. __________________ "The sceptor has returned at last; and it's all mine!" -Savanti Romero, Vol. 1 issue 47 1992 AKA: [email protected] utromheadquarters.0catch.com

02-16-2004, 08:30 PM	#9
Wes Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: A very scary place. With crayons! Posts: 1,607	Actually, rats are pretty smart...you can train them to do all sorts of tricks, and the buggers will actually answer to their names...so a particularly smart rat could probably grasp some of the basics of ninjitsu, anyway... Plus, if the mutagen made Splinter smarter, perhaps it would've given him access to memories (and teachings) that he couldn't have fully grasped before, yet were still buried deep in his mind. One possible explanation, though we clearly see the rat doing hardcore martial arts in the film and games. I don't remember having seen the comic origin pages. In the cartoon, I'm thinking Splinter should've become a humanoid rat-turtle, since he was in contact with the rats and then the Turtles. __________________ * Scary-Crayon * Wesoteric * Chew your gum properly, ok? Aaand... Technodrome buy/sell/trade thread here!

03-03-2004, 10:46 AM	#10
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,296	yeah....right....well splinter was an established character....they had to make him a rat...that's how he was....a rat...will always be a rat....maybe he steped on a rat after touching the mutagen....but who knows....but which origen do u like better?? I kinda like the movie origen....love betral....it rocks __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

03-03-2004, 02:39 PM	#11
Deathknight Mad Scientist Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: One of the 972 rooms of the technodrome Posts: 1,995	Makes more sense to me. And Yoshi walks onto the mutagen before he picked up the turtles and he had bare feet. I would imagine that when he walked onto the mutagen he had most recently been with rats but picks up the turtles 5 seconds later. A rat learning ninjitsu just doesn't make any sense to me. Rats are smart but how would a rat learn it just by mimicing it and then know how to use it properly? Although, the concept of either substance from the comics/new toon/movies and the old cartoon is just of silly to begin with. A substance that speeds up evolution vs. a substance that mutates you with whatever you come into contact with. And yes there have been several threads about which origin story is better and each story has won a few times. And for those of you who say that you never see him with the rats in the old cartoon in the origin it says "Then one day" meaning it didn't happen right after you'd last seen Yoshi and he had been with rats in a scene we hadn't seen. __________________ Shredder: "Ninja hall of fame? Ha! Where's MY statue?!" -My Brother, the Bad Guy

02-13-2004, 03:00 PM	#2
~~Reznorite420~~ Banned Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,851	He had stepped into the mutagen just before touching the turtles.

02-13-2004, 03:06 PM	#3
Shreddette Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Chained to Shredders Bed Posts: 402	Ahh, kay.... Damn. I guess he was playing with some rats before he came to rescue the turtles. But... if you got cute little turtles in your home, why would one go out to play with smelly dirty rats who might have diseases? That Yoshi... what a crazy craze...

03-03-2004, 05:24 PM	#13
Splinter Radical Rat Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Splinter's Dojo Posts: 1,531	Also remember that it's been established in several places that Splinter was never an ordinary rodent. It's also been mentioned by Peter Laird. He was always a mutant, gifted with enhanced lifespan and intelligence. And then thanks to the ooze, he was mutated into a humanoid form. __________________ R.I.P. Master Splinter - Mirage Comics - May 1984 / June 2003 Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles - New Episode Guide

03-03-2004, 10:06 PM	#14
Deathknight Mad Scientist Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: One of the 972 rooms of the technodrome Posts: 1,995	Well, nobody ever told me that. __________________ Shredder: "Ninja hall of fame? Ha! Where's MY statue?!" -My Brother, the Bad Guy

03-04-2004, 11:42 AM	#17
Orochi Chimera Mad Scientist Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 1,289	Splinter: Thanks for the info.