Any hope for Revenge of the Sith?

[Mecha Cow]

I thought The Phantom Menace was terrible (As a whole, it had its moments), but I thought Attack of the Clones was pretty nice (Again, as a whole).

I'm not such a big Star Wars fan, so I don't care too much if the new movies 'ruin' anything. I'm not too fond of all the CGI though. I thought Yoda looked amazing in Episode I (A puppet) , but I hated how he looked in Episode II (A fully CG character). I get the impression Lucas is just taking the easiest way, instead of the best.

Anyway.

I'll go see Revenge of the Sith, but I'm not sure what to expect. At least the origin of Darth Vader will be cool.

[raphael_is_cool]

Whoever made the comment about Peter Jackson and CGI being better in LOTR than Star Wars was a bit over the top. You can see how terrible some of the stuff looks in the LOTR sometimes, just plain terrible. Legolas on the Cave troll in the first one or even the hobbits with everyone bowing near the end of the third were awful things to look at. I think Star Wars looked a lot better overall considering most of it actually was CGI (backgrounds, characters and all)

As for blood, I don't think you'd see much because I imagine lightsabers and blasters cauterise wounds

[That Matt Guy]

Originally Posted by ThirdMarioBro

Well, at least some rolling heads and dismembered body parts. Then I'll be happy.

Man, the irony of this post. If you only read the spoilers, wow.

Spoiler:

Anakin duels with Dooku in front of Palpatine, and eventually gets ahold of his lightsaber after cutting off both of Dooku's hands. Anakin with now two sabers, scissors off Dooku's head.

[Voltron]

Dammit Matt! You just had to ruin it for me! You KNEW I was going to highlight those spoilers!

Barkworm: There is blood in the Cantina scene of the ANH.


As for this movie. Being a Star Wars junkie, I'll defend the franchise with my dying breath. However, I agree that Lucas has really made a mess with the CGI in the films.

The Jedi dying is a big plus.

Vader's birth is a big plus.

Hayden Christensen not talking is a big plus.

Plus, if anyone remembers, they had a little sub-plot about the Seperatist's building the Death Star. If they continue that, I can't imagine it being bad.


...Unless of course they mingle it with a Jar Jar Binks Power Hour...

[DrSpengler]

Originally Posted by Peanut

I still don't see what the big deal is about the couple added things in the DVDs. They hardly make any difference at all. Some people are just way too picky about this sh*t.

The new scenes wouldn't bother me all that much if he had made the original cuts available on DVD. But he chose to change history instead. It's the principle that bothers me most. I'd much rather have some high quality official versions of the original films than my bootlegs, but according to Lucas that'll never happen.

As for the new scenes, they're pretty terrible. Greedo shooting first (don't care how much fanboys b*tch and moan about it, it's still a bad idea and a major cop-out), the dance sequence (I'll take three seconds of puppets to that cartoonish CGI crap anyday), Luke screaming like a little girl even thought he CHOSE to fall into the shaft (heard that got taken out of the new DVDs, still a bad idea on Lucas' part), the rediculous CGI Jabba (heard that got fixed, shoulda done it right the first time, though), putting Hayden in as a ghost, Adding Gungans tothe celebration at the end of Jedi (NOBODY liked the Gungans, why can't he figure that out?), the bit with the droid punching the little floating droid at Mos Eisly (really, who thought that was HILARIOUS?), etc.

There were plenty of welcomed changes (making Cloud City more open, adding the shockwave to the exploding Death Star, removing all English letters and numbers, etc) but he bogged it down with way too much unwelcome CGI that was just plain BAD.

Again, I wouldn't be so bugged by the changes had he at made the original cuts accessible. That's why Speilberg's "walky talkies" don't bother me, because he included the original cut of ET on the DVD. It's the principle, not me being picky. By changing history and pretending like the original cuts never existed, Lucas is completely disrespecting not only the original directors of Empire and Jedi, but all the people who worked hard to create the special effects that Lucas loathes to much. He's a disrespectful person who lost all film-making talent a decade ago. All he does now is take good films, make them worse, pretend like the originals never existed and then protest the optional colorization of the Three Stooges.

[KROW]

Originally Posted by Elite5Raph

Whoa, man. Sounds like someone knocked over your major award and used up all the glue on purpose.

Nottafingah!


Oh, man.


The dark tone of this movie is what will attract me. When evil reigns supreme, you know it's gotta be good.

As for the SFX in LOTR compared to SW, I'm not going there. Two different trilogies with two different genres means two different arguements.

[the Dark Knight]

Whoa, man. Sounds like someone knocked over your major award and used up all the glue on purpose.

HAHAHAHA!!! That's the response I was looking for!

The new scenes wouldn't bother me all that much if he had made the original cuts available on DVD. But he chose to change history instead. It's the principle that bothers me most. I'd much rather have some high quality official versions of the original films than my bootlegs, but according to Lucas that'll never happen.

As for the new scenes, they're pretty terrible. Greedo shooting first (don't care how much fanboys b*tch and moan about it, it's still a bad idea and a major cop-out), the dance sequence (I'll take three seconds of puppets to that cartoonish CGI crap anyday), Luke screaming like a little girl even thought he CHOSE to fall into the shaft (heard that got taken out of the new DVDs, still a bad idea on Lucas' part), the rediculous CGI Jabba (heard that got fixed, shoulda done it right the first time, though), putting Hayden in as a ghost, Adding Gungans tothe celebration at the end of Jedi (NOBODY liked the Gungans, why can't he figure that out?), the bit with the droid punching the little floating droid at Mos Eisly (really, who thought that was HILARIOUS?), etc.

There were plenty of welcomed changes (making Cloud City more open, adding the shockwave to the exploding Death Star, removing all English letters and numbers, etc) but he bogged it down with way too much unwelcome CGI that was just plain BAD.

Again, I wouldn't be so bugged by the changes had he at made the original cuts accessible. That's why Speilberg's "walky talkies" don't bother me, because he included the original cut of ET on the DVD. It's the principle, not me being picky. By changing history and pretending like the original cuts never existed, Lucas is completely disrespecting not only the original directors of Empire and Jedi, but all the people who worked hard to create the special effects that Lucas loathes to much. He's a disrespectful person who lost all film-making talent a decade ago. All he does now is take good films, make them worse, pretend like the originals never existed and then protest the optional colorization of the Three Stooges.

AMEN. I totally agree with everything you said, dude.

Whoever made the comment about Peter Jackson and CGI being better in LOTR than Star Wars was a bit over the top. You can see how terrible some of the stuff looks in the LOTR sometimes, just plain terrible. Legolas on the Cave troll in the first one or even the hobbits with everyone bowing near the end of the third were awful things to look at. I think Star Wars looked a lot better overall considering most of it actually was CGI (backgrounds, characters and all)

I wasn't talking about which looked better. The point I was trying to get at was that Peter Jackson knew when to use it and Lucas uses it too much. I never said that it looked better in LOTR.

EDIT::: Sorry for the double post.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Ok, I got my rolling heads and dismembered body parts. This movie will be gold.

[Krangfan]

My biggest problem that I already am taking a guess at is the CGI. It'll look fake, I know it. The CGI Yoda really bugged me in AotC. I was watching this documentary thing about how they were trying to make him look like the original puppet did by the way he moves and his facial expressions and stuff and I was thinking "Well, if you want him to look that way, why don't you just use a freakin' puppet!" And in some cases it's the CGI that ruined some scenes in the original trilogy. Jabba the Hutt in A New Hope COULD have been cool, but no, it looked fake 'cause of the CGI. The mouths in the Sarlaac pit COULD have been cool, but looked fake. I dunno. I'd just much rather have somewhat limited puppets/animatronics/miniatures than CGI any day since it's really there.

[Leo656]

Eh, I think everyone overreacts to the prequels. They aren't as good as the originals, but I don't think anybody expected them to be, and if they did, they were setting themselves up for disappointment. I like 'em for what they are and just look at them as part of a larger story. The CGI effects don't bug me much, since if we're not looking at things through rose-colored glasses, a lot of the effects in the originals looked fake, too, for their own reasons.

The DVDs, yeah, it would've been great to have the originals on DVD, but the changes don't bother me so much. Hayden as Anakin in "Jedi" seems like a slap in the face kinda, but it doesn't make me wanna kill or anything. I like how they fixed all the footage to make it all "match", like Luke and the Rancor they fixed up, and they "aged" the new footage to make it fit better with what they originally shot. Visually it really is the best-looking version of the films, but at least having the original scenes as an option would have been cool.

But anyway, I think Episode III is gonna rule.

[raphael90]

I saw the Specials Editions first, so I cannot watch the originals...it just bothers me. I'm SO glad they fixed that Rancor scene...WHY Lucas didn't fix that before I wonder. As for Hayden replacing in Jedi...ehhh, can't say I LIKE it but it offers a fresh perspective on just who Anakin was BEFORE he became Darth Vader...although Lucas has messed my mind up again. He seems to want to make Darth Vader out to be its own entity that took over Anakin. Yes he was seduced by the dark side, but I liked to look on it as rather Anakin's personality behind the mask the whole time.

I'm excited to see Revenge even if it only lives up to the last two. Yes Phantom and Clones were Lucas' annoying attempt at putting as much CG animation as possible (good grief, we know you were frustrated at limited technology in the first three but still...enough). I like both movies well enough simply because I like the overall stories. But yes the acting is awful save maybe Ewan McGregor's parts. But I have looked forward to this third movie for years, seeing Anakin's fall and whatnot. I'll love it when I finally see him in Darth Vader's outfit...will just be too cool.

[Krangfan]

On Hayden as Anakin's ghost in Return of the Jedi, one of the reasons that I think it's so bad is because how is Luke supposed to know who that is? He never saw his father as a younger person...

[That Matt Guy]

The opening title text crawl has been leaked, in case you haven't heard.

Spoiler:

EPISODE III
REVENGE OF THE SITH

War! The Republic is crumbling
under attacks by the ruthless
Sith Lord, Count Dooku.
There are heroes on both sides.
Evil is everywhere.

In a stunning move, the
fiendish droid leader, General
Grievous, has swept into the
Republic capital and kidnapped
Chancellor Palpatine, leader of
the Galactic Senate.

As the Separatist Droid Army
attempts to flee the besieged
capital with their valuable
hostage, two Jedi Knights lead
a desperate mission to rescue the
captive Chancellor...

It reads like a hunk of propaganda plucked from a WWII era comic book.

Spoiler:

Nobody gives a **** about droid armies, just turn Anakin into Darth Vader already.

[Voltron]

I still wanna see what they do with the Death Star plans. Also, like how Sidious started the war on both sides, so he's in a win/win situation. But damn, Hayden Christiansen is just not good at acting. I can't wait till they get Jones back in there to voice him over.

[Peanut]

I read Darth Vader himself doesn't have many lines, so we'll probably be hearing Hayden for the majority.

As for where everyone was talking about over use of CG, just look at the Clone Troppers, sure they look good, but why in the HELL didn't he just make suits instead of having them all CG'd? I thought that was ridiculous.

[Mecha Cow]

As for where everyone was talking about over use of CG, just look at the Clone Troppers, sure they look good, but why in the HELL didn't he just make suits instead of having them all CG'd? I thought that was ridiculous.

Yeah, I agree. I understand that a sci-fi movie might require a lot of CG, but there are a lot of CG'd things that can easily be done with traditional effects, and look a lot better and cost a lot less.

[Voltron]

Originally Posted by Peanut

I read Darth Vader himself doesn't have many lines, so we'll probably be hearing Hayden for the majority.

As for where everyone was talking about over use of CG, just look at the Clone Troppers, sure they look good, but why in the HELL didn't he just make suits instead of having them all CG'd? I thought that was ridiculous.

Vader will be in the last 5 minutes; or so I've heard.

[Duke]

Originally Posted by Peanut

I read Darth Vader himself doesn't have many lines, so we'll probably be hearing Hayden for the majority.

As for where everyone was talking about over use of CG, just look at the Clone Troppers, sure they look good, but why in the HELL didn't he just make suits instead of having them all CG'd? I thought that was ridiculous.

Good? I thought the clone troppers at the end of AotC was worse than most video games i've played.

[That Matt Guy]

Well, someone really spilled the beans for this movie, as almost everything about the plot and what happens in each scene has recently been leaked. From what spoilers I've read, I am more excited than I was when I saw the teaser trailer. Supposedly we get to see original trilogy stormtroopers in this one.

[cqb101]

I new image has been leaked from this movie and it contains HUGE spoilers, so don't look if you don't wanna be spoiled






















































































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