Ontario bans Pitbulls - Page 2

ZodiacAngel · 03-03-2005, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Peanut

I was born in Gander, and I lived in Lewisport for awhile, which is where my dad is from. I was actually just back there summer before last, and I think I'm going back this summer. Which part of the rock are you from?

Well, I'm orginally from Freshwater, which is in Placentia Bay. I'm currently living in St. John's going to College of the North Atlantic.

-Savannah- · 03-05-2005, 06:52 PM

Personally, I think its stupid. It is true that the dog's usual behaivor depends on how the owner treats and trains it. I got bit by a dog in the cheek that was molested by these irresponsible kids when he was just a pup. I was only 4 then but we gave him to an owner that was strict so hopefully he wouldn't be as aggresive. There's a true story on how you should treat any human or animal you wished to be treated if you were in his or her place. Sorry to sound so... mature. I'm usually bad on giving "speeches".

Doppleganger · 03-07-2005, 05:37 PM

I'm not a dog person myself but why punish the dogs for something that is obviously the owner's responsibility? To train and take of the dog.

*JameO* · 03-08-2005, 07:11 AM

They aren't forcing people to kill their animals. I am pretty sure it is only they can't be sold or breeded in Ontario. But I also think this is kind of stupid. Sure they are trying to fix a growing problem, maybe they should make it mandatory to enroll the dog in obedience classes or something like that. It was also in the paper another viscous dog is being breeded in Ontario now, it looks like a pit bull but twice the size and much stronger.

Kora · 03-19-2005, 07:13 PM

Hmm, how little is actually known by the mighty pitbulls. Banning isn't the solution... the reason why, is, to my knowlege, this won't aply for mix breeds with pitbull in the blood lines... because its hard to proove if you don't have papers or any sort of contract. So people will just get "mutt" PitBulls, or unlicenced PitBulls instead... ((any dog not registered to the Canadian or American kennel club is considered a mutt, weather they be actual purebreds or not. You need a contract))

My roommate ((Who happens to also be from Newfoundland

)) is taking a vet tech course, and is also heavily into the Dog Scene. ((She does obedience and is involved with the Kennel Club of Newfoundland)) what's interesting about the kennel club of Newfoundland is that they are really against this breed banning and are trying to find alternatives to help veer away from that kind of situation. One of the main reasons for this is because of a few pet stores that have opened there.

Why is that a threat? Because the logic of puppies from pet stores are to get un-educated people to purchace an over priced puppy-mill pup on an impulse buy. Puppy-mill dogs are often Ill, or have bad temperments. Dogs from Backdoor breeders aren't much better, either. This will cause huge problems because when you get a dog from an actual breeder, they will often only send pups to homes where they think is most suited for the pup, which will reduce problems such as bad behavior, poor training and having their pups be sent home to homes or get euthanised... while pet shops just want your cash, and will sell any dog to any person... even when its evident that your personality and lifestyle really don't suit the type of dog your getting. For example... a Timid person who's getting a dominant PitBull for a first time dog, not a good combination and your sure to get problems.

Back to the point, my roommate has statistics that sugests that PitBulls aren't the real problem... in fact, in the last 20 years, there's been only 25 deaths cause by dog attacks ((or was it 20 in 25 years?)) here in Canada, and only 1 was caused by a PitBull... Other statistics also sugests that Labradors and Cocker Spaniels are far more dangerous then Pit Bulls, because they are the leading breeds to of been reported for dog bites. Any type of herding dogs ((Shepherds)) are also particular on biting, because of their herding nature... they nip the heels of cattle to move them, and they will on people too, if they aren't taught against it.

What's sad about this is that PitBulls are vitcims of bad press... You hardly ever hear of any other type of dog attacks out there, unless there's a PitBull involved... which is really unproportionned... cause there are MANY dog attacks out there in the world, but we only focus on the PitBulls... and in North America, Seeing is Believing... and our minds have been programed to hate PitBulls because of bad press.

What's even sadder still, is that people still really do misstread PitBulls, such as throwing them in fighting rings where they fight to death. Its still very existing today... and these dogs get mutilated in very gruesome ways... My roommate has pictures to proove it. This breed happens to be one of the breeds to suffer from bad treatment the most. They are still used and abused and are slowly ripped appart.

But given this breed a chance to be properly socialised, properly cared for and placed in a home with a proper owner, they really can be very loving companions. A well trained dog with a "job" is a happy dog... and I've seen the diffrence. Keep the dog occupied, and by doing so, you'll have a happyer dog... most dogs who attack suffer issues such as neglect or poor training ((letting your dog run loose, never disciplining bad behavior, ect..)) ... people just have to realise that PitBulls aren't a breed for "just anyone"... it takes a special strong minded type of person to deal with these dogs for a successful healthy relationship...

and there's my 2 ((maybe 3)) cents

~~BartAllen~~ · 03-24-2005, 01:47 PM

i dont know. pitbulls still scare me.. more so then any other breed. but the kid who lives down the street from me has a pitbull. and it got loose.. alright this is the story. one day i was out washing my car. the pitbull got loose. and when it saw me charged me. i freaked out, but i didnt run.. you know what it did. came right up to me.. licked my shoe and ran off. so i don't know. i do think its the people who own the pitbull that turn them into vicious dogs.

*Buslady* · 03-28-2005, 12:48 PM

It is kind of sad that they are being banned because of their bad reputation. I have known some pitt bulls that were very friendly dogs and well socialised and raised. That is the key with dogs, if you raise one in a proper enviroment, socialised properly and have had obeidience training they are nice dogs.
ANY dog that has not been raise right will be vicious.
What about Doberman, Rottweiller, and other 'bred to protect' breeds?

This breed has a bad rap because of a bunch of jack@$$es who breed nad raise them to fight each other and kill. That is where the publicity is, bad bad bad. Kill the dog, what about the stupid breeder?

I'm not a dog person but I believe there is no bad dog, just bad owners.

Here's a thought!
So why don't we jsut solve the WHOLE problem and put down every dog in the north american continent? There, no more dog attacks.

Britain banned Pitts a long time ago, so there's none there.

03-05-2005, 06:52 PM	#22
-Savannah- Mad Scientist Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Someplace or another... Posts: 1,366	Personally, I think its stupid. It is true that the dog's usual behaivor depends on how the owner treats and trains it. I got bit by a dog in the cheek that was molested by these irresponsible kids when he was just a pup. I was only 4 then but we gave him to an owner that was strict so hopefully he wouldn't be as aggresive. There's a true story on how you should treat any human or animal you wished to be treated if you were in his or her place. Sorry to sound so... mature. I'm usually bad on giving "speeches". __________________ ~Love was a gentle breeze, weaves it's spell upon your ♥.~ ((LeAnn Rimes, Can't Fight the Moonlight))

03-07-2005, 05:37 PM	#23
Doppleganger Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 687	I'm not a dog person myself but why punish the dogs for something that is obviously the owner's responsibility? To train and take of the dog. __________________

03-08-2005, 07:11 AM	#24
JameO Mad Scientist Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,753	They aren't forcing people to kill their animals. I am pretty sure it is only they can't be sold or breeded in Ontario. But I also think this is kind of stupid. Sure they are trying to fix a growing problem, maybe they should make it mandatory to enroll the dog in obedience classes or something like that. It was also in the paper another viscous dog is being breeded in Ontario now, it looks like a pit bull but twice the size and much stronger. __________________ "Lie, Cheat & Steal, Atleast I'm Honest"

03-28-2005, 12:48 PM	#27
Buslady WingsOfDarkness! Perkele! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In 7803... Posts: 4,366	It is kind of sad that they are being banned because of their bad reputation. I have known some pitt bulls that were very friendly dogs and well socialised and raised. That is the key with dogs, if you raise one in a proper enviroment, socialised properly and have had obeidience training they are nice dogs. ANY dog that has not been raise right will be vicious. What about Doberman, Rottweiller, and other 'bred to protect' breeds? This breed has a bad rap because of a bunch of jack@$$es who breed nad raise them to fight each other and kill. That is where the publicity is, bad bad bad. Kill the dog, what about the stupid breeder? I'm not a dog person but I believe there is no bad dog, just bad owners. Here's a thought! So why don't we jsut solve the WHOLE problem and put down every dog in the north american continent? There, no more dog attacks. Britain banned Pitts a long time ago, so there's none there. __________________ Last edited by Buslady; 03-28-2005 at 12:57 PM.

03-19-2005, 07:13 PM	#25
Kora Foot Soldier Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: NB Canada Posts: 159	Hmm, how little is actually known by the mighty pitbulls. Banning isn't the solution... the reason why, is, to my knowlege, this won't aply for mix breeds with pitbull in the blood lines... because its hard to proove if you don't have papers or any sort of contract. So people will just get "mutt" PitBulls, or unlicenced PitBulls instead... ((any dog not registered to the Canadian or American kennel club is considered a mutt, weather they be actual purebreds or not. You need a contract)) My roommate ((Who happens to also be from Newfoundland )) is taking a vet tech course, and is also heavily into the Dog Scene. ((She does obedience and is involved with the Kennel Club of Newfoundland)) what's interesting about the kennel club of Newfoundland is that they are really against this breed banning and are trying to find alternatives to help veer away from that kind of situation. One of the main reasons for this is because of a few pet stores that have opened there. Why is that a threat? Because the logic of puppies from pet stores are to get un-educated people to purchace an over priced puppy-mill pup on an impulse buy. Puppy-mill dogs are often Ill, or have bad temperments. Dogs from Backdoor breeders aren't much better, either. This will cause huge problems because when you get a dog from an actual breeder, they will often only send pups to homes where they think is most suited for the pup, which will reduce problems such as bad behavior, poor training and having their pups be sent home to homes or get euthanised... while pet shops just want your cash, and will sell any dog to any person... even when its evident that your personality and lifestyle really don't suit the type of dog your getting. For example... a Timid person who's getting a dominant PitBull for a first time dog, not a good combination and your sure to get problems. Back to the point, my roommate has statistics that sugests that PitBulls aren't the real problem... in fact, in the last 20 years, there's been only 25 deaths cause by dog attacks ((or was it 20 in 25 years?)) here in Canada, and only 1 was caused by a PitBull... Other statistics also sugests that Labradors and Cocker Spaniels are far more dangerous then Pit Bulls, because they are the leading breeds to of been reported for dog bites. Any type of herding dogs ((Shepherds)) are also particular on biting, because of their herding nature... they nip the heels of cattle to move them, and they will on people too, if they aren't taught against it. What's sad about this is that PitBulls are vitcims of bad press... You hardly ever hear of any other type of dog attacks out there, unless there's a PitBull involved... which is really unproportionned... cause there are MANY dog attacks out there in the world, but we only focus on the PitBulls... and in North America, Seeing is Believing... and our minds have been programed to hate PitBulls because of bad press. What's even sadder still, is that people still really do misstread PitBulls, such as throwing them in fighting rings where they fight to death. Its still very existing today... and these dogs get mutilated in very gruesome ways... My roommate has pictures to proove it. This breed happens to be one of the breeds to suffer from bad treatment the most. They are still used and abused and are slowly ripped appart. But given this breed a chance to be properly socialised, properly cared for and placed in a home with a proper owner, they really can be very loving companions. A well trained dog with a "job" is a happy dog... and I've seen the diffrence. Keep the dog occupied, and by doing so, you'll have a happyer dog... most dogs who attack suffer issues such as neglect or poor training ((letting your dog run loose, never disciplining bad behavior, ect..)) ... people just have to realise that PitBulls aren't a breed for "just anyone"... it takes a special strong minded type of person to deal with these dogs for a successful healthy relationship... and there's my 2 ((maybe 3)) cents

03-24-2005, 01:47 PM	#26
~~BartAllen~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 922	i dont know. pitbulls still scare me.. more so then any other breed. but the kid who lives down the street from me has a pitbull. and it got loose.. alright this is the story. one day i was out washing my car. the pitbull got loose. and when it saw me charged me. i freaked out, but i didnt run.. you know what it did. came right up to me.. licked my shoe and ran off. so i don't know. i do think its the people who own the pitbull that turn them into vicious dogs.