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[Brodie]

I just like his flat top.

[cowabunga14]

I got a link to an article on a Venom movie. The release date is unknown.http://www.comics2film.com/ProjectFrame.php?f_id=217

[Jed]

Originally Posted by cowabunga14

I got a link to an article on a Venom movie. The release date is unknown.http://www.comics2film.com/ProjectFrame.php?f_id=217

Broken link?

I'd be willing to give Sandman a try, I'd be interested to see what they'd do. Venom would be my first choice but I'd want the films to do justice to him! I'd especially like to see Spidey get the symbiote first in the movies.

[KROW]

Here's why Venom wouldn't work:

1) Story development would kill the film. We'd need an introduction to Brock, a rivalry to start for a news story, the hoax to arise for Brock to hate Spider-Man, the introduction of the symbiote, and for it to bond with Brock, then for Venom to fight Spidey, all in 2.25 hours. The symbiote alone would take up half the movie.
2) In the films, Peter's still a rookie. Storywise, he's not ready for Venom yet.

[Mecha Cow]

2) In the films, Peter's still a rookie. Storywise, he's not ready for Venom yet.

I think he was supposed to be more seasoned in the second movie. It took place two years after the first, after all, and since it's possible the third will take place another few years later, I wouldn't say he's a rookie anymore.

I totally agree with your first point though. Hell, I think they would have at least introduced Brock in the previous movies if they were planning on including Venom in the third.

Meh, Sandman works I guess, as long as he's a secondary villain (As I said earlier, I think it's pretty obvious the Goblin will be the main baddie).

[KROW]

Originally Posted by Mecha Cow

I think he was supposed to be more seasoned in the second movie. It took place two years after the first, after all, and since it's possible the third will take place another few years later, I wouldn't say he's a rookie anymore.

I see your point. I think I was more leaning towards the storylines and experiences of the comics as a comparison to the films. I'd like to see Sidey take on villains like Sandman, Scorpion, Electro, and Mysterio before Venom, though. I think it's better that way. It feels more apt to the Spider-Man mythos, as it were.

[Dane E5R]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

That's what fans said when Batman and Robin used Bane...

Why would fans say that, when Batman Forever wasn't a flop?

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Elite5Raph

Why would fans say that, when Batman Forever wasn't a flop?

They knew Burton was'nt coming back for Batman and Robin (He was a consultant on Forever, probably why it looked far better when Schumacher was directing)

[raphael_is_cool]

Originally Posted by KROW

Here's why Venom wouldn't work:

1) Story development would kill the film. We'd need an introduction to Brock, a rivalry to start for a news story, the hoax to arise for Brock to hate Spider-Man, the introduction of the symbiote, and for it to bond with Brock, then for Venom to fight Spidey, all in 2.25 hours. The symbiote alone would take up half the movie.

I don't think there are development issues. The thing is once everything's set up all you'd get is a load of fight scenes (and probably MJ in trouble again etc.) so Sand Man would have to be a pretty interesting character and create some good dynamic. Otherwise it'll be the same old story again.

But as I already said (but I doubt anyone cares), I think they could use John Jameson as Venom because there you'd have some motivation since his character has a Peter Parker related past and if I recall correctly he's an astronaut so it wouldn't be too hard to link the symbiote that way or something.

[Brodie]

I love how people are thinking there's gonna be all these Spider-flicks after the first 3, and they'll still be good. Get it straight, no one from the original trilogy will be involved with the next flicks. This isn't Star Wars.

If you're gonna have one last good amazing run at the Spider-Franchise before someone pisses all over it, go all the way and do Venom.

Sandman is one of the worst choices for a new villian. Hate to break it to all you people who are "filling the cup" over it. But Sandman is a ****** character.

Green Goblin? Amazing character.
Doc Ock? A character torn between whats right and wrong, and well done. Great.
Sandman? Well, I guess if people want to see a borderline autistic villian, go right a-****in'-head.

[Peanut]

I agree with Brodie. Seeing as this is the last Spidey film we know of, wouldn't it be good to go out with a bang? Even if it isn't Venom. At least have someone better than Sandman.

[ZariusTwo]

90% of you are just bashing him because of his allegedly "poor abilities", and because Venom is more mainstream.

Newsflash: Sand can suffocate you, sand can smother you, sand can drown you if it's turned to quicksand.

Rami is more than a Spide-Man fan (and clearly one of the Lee/Dikto era) he's also a horror direction, and maybye he relishes a villain that can seem so common, yet can be exceptionally dangerous

[cowabunga14]

Raimi could suprise people as if they don't expect it. He could not show the good parts of Sandman in the trailer and then suprise eveyone at the theatre. It just might work. I'll sure he'll really make Sandman really hard to fight but easy to defeat.( Water is Sandman's weakness.) Either way Raimi will suprise Spidey fans and movie goers alike.

[raphael_is_cool]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

90% of you are just bashing him because of his allegedly "poor abilities", and because Venom is more mainstream.

Newsflash: Sand can suffocate you, sand can smother you, sand can drown you if it's turned to quicksand.

I think we're all aware how deadly sand can be. But on a side-note, I'm sure Spider-Man's mask helps towards preventing suffocation or getting sand in his eyes.

It seems the big complaint is that there won't be a very good dynamic. It'll just be an angry villain that needs stopping. No interesting story at all (not that number 2's was that great)

[Brodie]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

90% of you are just bashing him because of his allegedly "poor abilities", and because Venom is more mainstream.

Newsflash: Sand can suffocate you, sand can smother you, sand can drown you if it's turned to quicksand.

Rami is more than a Spide-Man fan (and clearly one of the Lee/Dikto era) he's also a horror direction, and maybye he relishes a villain that can seem so common, yet can be exceptionally dangerous

I'm bashing him because he's a piss poor choice. I didn't choose Venom because he's more mainstream, he's just a better villian, especially since he isn't really a villian. He's an anti-hero. He hates Spider-Man, would kill Spider-Man, but he doesn't ever really go forth to slaughter people. Not on purpose anyways. Carnage does. I didn't think it was important that he was mainstream, hell I think Omega Red would be a good villian for the X-flicks, and he sure as hell isn't as Mainstream as, oh, I don't know, Magneto? Sure, Red ain't a C-Tier character, but still.

I know Spider-Man and I know Raimi. And if Raimi is still as good at his horror style as he was with ED2, then he should go with Venom. Venom is probably the closest we'll get to a classic monster villian in the Spidey franchise.

I'm just saying, how about you listen to what people say, rather than make your accusations like you ALWAYS do. Not everyone is as stupid as you make us all out to be.

[Voltron]

Cool it guys. Let's keep this civil.


On topic, I agree with Brodie. Part of Venom being mainstream is the fact that he is a great character. Double fueled hatred towards Spider-Man with a story that people can relate to, as well.

No one is going to watch a guy get caught in an atomic blast then transform into sand and think to themselves: "Yes...I know exactly what he's feeling. It's like Raimi took my deepest emotions and brought them to screen. Kind of gets a guy...no I'm not crying! There's something in my eye! Well let's see you keep your composure when a movie is strummin your pain with it's fingers...tellin my life with it's words...killin me softly with his...er, sand..."

[KROW]

Originally Posted by Voltron

Part of Venom being mainstream is the fact that he is a great character. Double fueled hatred towards Spider-Man with a story that people can relate to, as well.

Which is exactly why it won't happen. It can't fit into the timeframe needed for a Spider-Man film. The first two were just shy over 2 hours. There's too much story to cram in to get the full emotion that you all want for Venom to actually work.

I'm not saying I prefer Sandman to be the featured villain. Quite frankly, my theory is that he'll simply be a distraction so that Harry can utilize the Goblin armor and weaponry for a much bigger fight at the end of the film; a much bigger bang that has been developing since the first film ended.

I think it wise to stop complaining that Venom will not be in this movie. It's kind of fruitless, isn't it?

[cqb101]

Originally Posted by Brodie

I know Spider-Man and I know Raimi. And if Raimi is still as good at his horror style as he was with ED2, then he should go with Venom. Venom is probably the closest we'll get to a classic monster villian in the Spidey franchise.

Man-Wolf would be a better choice than Venom if that's what you're looking for.

[Voltron]

Originally Posted by KROW

I think it wise to stop complaining that Venom will not be in this movie. It's kind of fruitless, isn't it?

Thanks KROW, your stinging wisdom has brought closure to my meaningless crusade. With the utter unimportance of my opinions so kindly put in their place, I retract all statements I have made on the subject of Venom's character and his pertinence to the third Spider-Man film.

Originally Posted by cqb101

Man-Wolf would be a better choice than Venom if that's what you're looking for.

Thats true. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if he showed up in the third film. I'm just surprised that it's Sand Man because they've got a few other characters set up (Kurt Connors, Harry Osborn, Cpt. Jameson), that Sand Man is completely out of left field.

[KROW]

Originally Posted by Voltron

Thanks KROW, your stinging wisdom has brought closure to my meaningless crusade. With the utter unimportance of my opinions so kindly put in their place, I retract all statements I have made on the subject of Venom's character and his pertinence to the third Spider-Man film.

And your stinging sarcasm proves that you didn't entirely understand what I meant. Your points are realized, and well thought out, that's perfectly clear. But I see arguments building from the debate on the character of Venom and its non-existence in Spider-Man 3. Keep it going and where will it lead? I mean, it's been established that there will not be a Venom, so why continue to state why you, as well as other members, want him in the film so much?

Originally Posted by Voltron

Sand Man is completely out of left field.

And so would Venom be if he were in the third film.