Batman Begins - Page 7

*Dr. Doom* · 06-23-2005, 05:38 AM

I've probably gone into this before, but I can actually sorta see what Schumacher was going for with those two movies. I don't think he just like hit his head and threw all this wacky sh*t together, they both really seemed like a sort of updated version of the old TV series. I mean, both are very steeped in ridiculous visuals and pop culture influences of their specific times. Everything is very melodramatic and surreal in both situations. He didn't want to make something realistic, he wanted larger than life. FYI, I can't stand the old TV series, I think it makes a complete mockery of the everything thatt Batman is. And I'm not saying I enjoyed either movie, but if that is indeed what Schumacher was going for, I think he acheived what he set out to do. It just didn't make for a very good movie, especially with the disgraceful performance of Chris O'Donnell.

**Barkworm** · 06-23-2005, 05:53 AM

I LOVE that old series. It had an awesome sense of humour and some of the funniest lines I can imagine. It's just that after two excellent Burton, it was blasphemy to try o make Batman goofy again. Plus those sh*tty movies were nowhere as funny as the old series.

*Anarky* · 06-23-2005, 06:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Barkworm

I LOVE that old series. It had an awesome sense of humour and some of the funniest lines I can imagine. It's just that after two excellent Burton, it was blasphemy to try o make Batman goofy again. Plus those sh*tty movies were nowhere as funny as the old series.

Hell yeah. Best thing ever was the line "Good thing I always carry my Bat Shark-repellant-spray with me" I wonder how often Bats gets attacked by sharks.

Forever was watchable. I liked the mix between the darkness of Batman and the cool lighting effects (all those neon glowing things).

Batman and Robin was rather daft. No real story and Ah-nold as Victor Fries was a big mistake.

*ZariusTwo* · 06-23-2005, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

FYI, I can't stand the old TV series, I think it makes a complete mockery of the everything thatt Batman is

...Are you joking? The original series is one of the most defintitive comedies ever produced.

For your information, the comics were EXACTLY what the original series was based on before it even premiered during the silver age, go ahead, read a comic from that period.

*DrSpengler* · 06-23-2005, 10:40 AM

I enjoy the original series for what it is. But DC comics and Tim Burton made great strides to try and DROP the campy image Batman had been stuck with after the tv series. Schumacher just did his best to undo years of work and progress by making his movies reflect the atmosphere of the 60's series. It was NOT the direction Batman needed to go in.

Schumacher's a good director. Falling Down and The Client are awesome flicks. His vision of Batman is what was terrible.

*Dr. Doom* · 06-23-2005, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

...Are you joking? The original series is one of the most defintitive comedies ever produced.

For your information, the comics were EXACTLY what the original series was based on before it even premiered during the silver age, go ahead, read a comic from that period.

-=rolls eyes=- It makes a mockery of Batman as I know him. There, happy? I got into Batman because of TAS. The Batman I know and love is serious f***ing business. Some friends of mine tried to watch taht horsesh*t movie and I ended up sitting in the basement by myself because it was such a horrendous sham to me. To ME. You see what I did there, I stated my opinion as just that, an opinion, not a fact.

-=mumbles=- Whiny lil rassinfrassin....

~~BartAllen~~ · 06-23-2005, 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

...Are you joking? The original series is one of the most defintitive comedies ever produced.

For your information, the comics were EXACTLY what the original series was based on before it even premiered during the silver age, go ahead, read a comic from that period.

Nope he isnt joking, up until about 55 batman would regulary kill people. which is the golden age version the silverage version was slightly less violent. but really became campy around the start of that show. i would say the show influenced the comic more so then the comic influening the show. but go ahead and disagree with me. youll need the final word on the subject.

*ZariusTwo* · 06-23-2005, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BartAllen

up until about 55 batman would regulary kill people. which is the golden age version the silverage version was slightly less violent. but really became campy around the start of that show.

The latter parts of the 50's saw the comcis gradually become campy and humerous, five year or so before the series gave it more bravado and reason to be what it was.

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but go ahead and disagree with me.

Evidence of this actually disagrees with you

What a boner huh? (Batman reference here, you're a fan, try and guess what I'm talking about

)

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Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

-=rolls eyes=- It makes a mockery of Batman as I know him. There, happy? I got into Batman because of TAS. The Batman I know and love is serious f***ing business. Some friends of mine tried to watch taht horsesh*t movie and I ended up sitting in the basement by myself because it was such a horrendous sham to me. To ME. You see what I did there, I stated my opinion as just that, an opinion, not a fact.

Thank god somebody did

It all comes down to editorial politics, and adaptation, Batman was a victim of "Seduction of the Innocent", which is why the 1940's serials were slightly darker and featured some amounts of death.

~~BartAllen~~ · 06-23-2005, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

The latter parts of the 50's saw the comcis gradually become campy and humerous, five year or so before the series gave it more bravado and reason to be what it was.

Evidence of this actually disagrees with you

What a boner huh? (Batman reference here, you're a fan, try and guess what I'm talking about

)

Thank god somebody did

It all comes down to editorial politics, and adaptation, Batman was a victim of "Seduction of the Innocent", which is why the 1940's serials were slightly darker and featured some amounts of death.

lol i know what your talking about with the boner thing. who has pulled a bigger boner bats or the joker?

*raphael_is_cool* · 06-23-2005, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Don't be so f*cking ignorant, the guy was pushing it as fact

'Oh come on, I love the SPidey Comics, I always have, but the movies suck, and suck pretty hardcore compared to this'

That does not sound like someone stating cold, hard fact.
I can't believe the number of times you criticise people for their opinions being stated as fact yet you miss the blatant hypocrisy when you try and force your own views.

Let's leave it at that.

愛 · 06-23-2005, 03:11 PM

And we are going to leave it at that. Barkworm warned you guys already, so this is the last warning before the thread gets locked.

IceFlash78 · 06-23-2005, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DrSpengler

Not to mention that simple fact that

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*KROW* · 06-23-2005, 10:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Elite5Raph

I'm gonna have to dip in for a minute here, going back to folks claiming that Jim Carrey was trying to act like the Joker - I've actually read a few times that Jim was trying to immitate Frank Gorshin's version of the Riddler; and when you think about it, you can really see that's where he drew his inspiration from.

True. The dancing and giggling reminded me of Gorshin. Everything else reminded me of Joker.

*The Stryker* · 06-24-2005, 12:04 AM

Wow now i Look at Carrey's Riddler differently. Good show Mr.Carrey just don't make Majestic 2.

Two-Face is still Blasphemy. and BANE oh my god Bane!

*DrSpengler* · 06-24-2005, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by IceFlash78

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Nah man, don't sweat it. It's aiight.

*The Stryker* · 06-25-2005, 01:12 AM

Its Just the Natural Bat-fan reaction, Pay no mind

Peanut · 06-26-2005, 04:26 PM

Finally saw it on Saturday, loved it. It was awesome. I did think his origin dragged a bit though, it's probably just me.

**Jo Dawn** · 06-26-2005, 04:50 PM

Well... because of going with two diferent people, I have seen this new movie twice in less than 24 hours. It's good. I knew Christian Bale would be an AWESOME Batman. And I agree, that the origin went on a BIT too long.

If we just coulda lost Katie Holmes, it woulda been almost perfect.

And, by the way, I adore Adam West's Batman. I love the serious stuff, but, come on.
I love it. But I can see where others wouldn't. Not to start a debate, but it's like TMNT then and now. *shrugs* Kinda. I dunno... heh.

Anyway, good movie. Awesome Batman.

And, oh yeah! Jim Carrey WAS trying to do the Riddler like Frank Gorshin played him. It was an homage.

*Spitfire* · 06-26-2005, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jo Dawn

Well... because of going with two diferent people, I have seen this new movie twice in less than 24 hours. It's good. I knew Christian Bale would be an AWESOME Batman. And I agree, that the origin went on a BIT too long.

If we just coulda lost Katie Holmes, it woulda been almost perfect.

And, by the way, I adore Adam West's Batman. I love the serious stuff, but, come on.
I love it. But I can see where others wouldn't. Not to start a debate, but it's like TMNT then and now. *shrugs* Kinda. I dunno... heh.

Anyway, good movie. Awesome Batman.

And, oh yeah! Jim Carrey WAS trying to do the Riddler like Frank Gorshin played him. It was an homage.

Well dont worry Katie wont be in the next Batman. Their kicking her out because shes engaged to Tom Cruise

*The Stryker* · 06-26-2005, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Peanut

Finally saw it on Saturday, loved it. It was awesome. I did think his origin dragged a bit though, it's probably just me.

Naw i thought it too, I would've liked to see more Young Bruce in Gotham and less of the whole Training thing, Which confused me to no-end.

06-23-2005, 05:38 AM	#121
Dr. Doom Allons-y! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Castle Doom Posts: 4,535	I've probably gone into this before, but I can actually sorta see what Schumacher was going for with those two movies. I don't think he just like hit his head and threw all this wacky sht together, they both really seemed like a sort of updated version of the old TV series. I mean, both are very steeped in ridiculous visuals and pop culture influences of their specific times. Everything is very melodramatic and surreal in both situations. He didn't want to make something realistic, he wanted larger than life. FYI, I can't stand the old TV series, I think it makes a complete mockery of the everything thatt Batman is. And I'm not saying I enjoyed either movie, but if that is indeed what Schumacher was going for, I think he acheived what he set out to do. It just didn't make for a very good movie, especially with the disgraceful performance of Chris O'Donnell. __________________ I love you, Pickle.*

06-23-2005, 05:53 AM	#122
Barkworm Draconian leftist ruler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Germany Posts: 6,759	I LOVE that old series. It had an awesome sense of humour and some of the funniest lines I can imagine. It's just that after two excellent Burton, it was blasphemy to try o make Batman goofy again. Plus those shtty movies were nowhere as funny as the old series. __________________ Make ***, not kill!

06-24-2005, 12:04 AM	#134
The Stryker Stupid Rich Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Room 237 Posts: 11,152	Wow now i Look at Carrey's Riddler differently. Good show Mr.Carrey just don't make Majestic 2. Two-Face is still Blasphemy. and BANE oh my god Bane! __________________ @~<3 Mom~@

06-25-2005, 01:12 AM	#136
The Stryker Stupid Rich Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Room 237 Posts: 11,152	Its Just the Natural Bat-fan reaction, Pay no mind __________________ @~<3 Mom~@

06-26-2005, 04:50 PM	#138
Jo Dawn Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Authority On All Things Don Posts: 5,190	Well... because of going with two diferent people, I have seen this new movie twice in less than 24 hours. It's good. I knew Christian Bale would be an AWESOME Batman. And I agree, that the origin went on a BIT too long. If we just coulda lost Katie Holmes, it woulda been almost perfect. And, by the way, I adore Adam West's Batman. I love the serious stuff, but, come on. I love it. But I can see where others wouldn't. Not to start a debate, but it's like TMNT then and now. shrugs Kinda. I dunno... heh. Anyway, good movie. Awesome Batman. And, oh yeah! Jim Carrey WAS trying to do the Riddler like Frank Gorshin played him. It was an homage. __________________

06-23-2005, 10:40 AM	#125
DrSpengler Foot Elite Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 4,842	I enjoy the original series for what it is. But DC comics and Tim Burton made great strides to try and DROP the campy image Batman had been stuck with after the tv series. Schumacher just did his best to undo years of work and progress by making his movies reflect the atmosphere of the 60's series. It was NOT the direction Batman needed to go in. Schumacher's a good director. Falling Down and The Client are awesome flicks. His vision of Batman is what was terrible.

06-23-2005, 03:11 PM	#131
愛 Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 7,449	And we are going to leave it at that. Barkworm warned you guys already, so this is the last warning before the thread gets locked.

06-26-2005, 04:26 PM	#137
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	Finally saw it on Saturday, loved it. It was awesome. I did think his origin dragged a bit though, it's probably just me.