old toon references in new toon

lilonardo · 07-10-2005, 03:08 AM

Do you think they should include more classic TMNT references in the current TMNT cartoon?

I do

I have an idea for one:

How about a Triceraton called Rocksteady?

FALLEN ELDOR · 07-10-2005, 03:12 AM

As long as they aren't derogatory like they have been in the past...

*Sage Ninja* · 07-10-2005, 09:15 AM

how have the refereances been derogatory

*ZariusTwo* · 07-10-2005, 10:36 AM

Beats me, Krangs' cameo was true to the comedic character he's more well known for

FALLEN ELDOR · 07-10-2005, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sage Ninja

how have the refereances been derogatory

How the turtles hate when Mike screams Cowabunga, April's flippant attitude about being a reporter "in another life" and when the Utrom told Krang to "shut up" rubbed me as mocking the old cartoon.

remix17 · 07-10-2005, 07:30 PM

I thought they were being derogatory too. I said it in the Favorite/Least favorite Characters thread. (I guess they are trying so hard to make the show badass. :rolleyes

Here is a cool nod to the old show, from Episode 2 I think. I can't remember the exact quote though:

Leo: "Watch your step, guys, or you'll be turtle soup."

A nod to the Shredder's old school threat: "Tonight I dine on turtle soup!"

*ZariusTwo* · 07-11-2005, 08:09 AM

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Originally Posted by FALLEN ELDOR

How the turtles hate when Mike screams Cowabunga, April's flippant attitude about being a reporter "in another life" and when the Utrom told Krang to "shut up" rubbed me as mocking the old cartoon.

I thought the attempts at cutting off Cowabunga was FUNNY, and represented a nod to the original fans, an attempt to maintain it's own identity, not anybody elses'

Pete does have a fondness for the original cartoon in places, particulary with Rocksteady and Bebop, and the fact that...well...the series made what we have possible in the first place

Shredder told Krang, or wanted him to, shut up in the original cartoon for years at a time, Krangs' character gradually became a connvining, whining comedy character anyway, so I fail to see why that comment was "derogatory"

Seriously, you fans tend to look too much into these things, get a grip

*Jephael* · 07-11-2005, 12:34 PM

Honestly, I thought the references were truly paying homage to the original animated incarnation of the TMNT from 1987 and relating it to the characters as they're currently depicted.

I remember back in 1990 how Raphael always used to make witty remarks about Leo's battle cries and how much he got a kick out of being around his brothers, especially Michaelangelo. He even once yelled "Cowabunga!" himself while surfing ontop of a fire hydrant (which came off pretty goofy, even for that series at the time)
Now here in the current show we got Raph as Mr. Toughguy who shuns just about every wisecrack Mikey tries to make. It's just so interesting when you look at the contrast between the different versions of each character.

*Masked Ninja* · 07-11-2005, 03:03 PM

Really, I think people are just being over-sensitive if they think those references are derogatory. "Cowabunga" doesn't fit in the more serious mood of the new cartoon. But it is a huge part of the old - so making joking references are funny. Especially since Mikey is the least serious Turtle of the new show...he kinda lives in the world of the old toon in his mind.

And the Krang thing... heeh, I laughed at that. It's not mocking the old cartoon however...it's just an excuse to drop a name. For all its plot worth, the line "shut up" would work just as well. And dropping Krang's name among the race that inspired his character is... pretty funny.

Question though, "FALLEN ELDOR"... I know from reading your posts that you like the old toon better. Could the offense you're taking be simply because you don't like the new series and (with or without realizing it) are just looking for more reasons to dislike it? No offense meant, but... those complaints seem a little too... *searches for word* touchy?

*Jephael* · 07-11-2005, 05:14 PM

I have to agree with Masked Ninja on this one. I mean it sounds alittle strange to get worked up over these references as if the writers themselves were treating the classic cartoon as the butt of all their jokes.

Anyhow, I just wanted to bring up one thing that I thought it might be funny if at some point in the near future they were to reference the old belt buckle initials.

Doppleganger · 07-11-2005, 05:20 PM

Yeah I tend to agree those references were pretty funny. Can't believe I missed the "turtle soup" line.

FALLEN ELDOR · 07-11-2005, 05:40 PM

Don't get me wrong, I love the new cartoon. It's almost perfect, I just dislike certain aspects of the show. Also, I'll be the first to admit that the original cartoon was pretty damn lame a lot of the time, at least as the show progressed. I liked the original 80's episode of the show the most, but haven't seen much of TMNT in YEARS! Often times my criticism might seam like it's coming from a bad place but I'm just a critical person. When I walk out of a film, I cannot help but analyze it up and down, that doesn't make me overly sensitive. Am I a bit touchy when it comes to Laird's admitted dislike of the cartoon? Perhaps, but I think that guy needs to accept the fact that the TMNT have grown beyond what he thinks they are, and be appreciative of that silly little cartoon for making him so much money.

and what the hell happened to the Shell Cells? I haven't seen them use those since season one!

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Pete does have a fondness for the original cartoon in places, particulary with Rocksteady and Bebop, and the fact that...well...the series made what we have possible in the first place

If that was true don't you think he would have put them in "his" version of TMNT by now?

remix17 · 07-11-2005, 05:40 PM

I missed it too the first doezen times, don't worry.

EDIT: Oh, and I'm sorry for getting "worked up." I do like the new show. I'm just sensitive.

FALLEN ELDOR · 07-11-2005, 05:49 PM

don't apologize for your opinion. Some people need to realize that others are going to disagree with them, they need to accept that not everybody thinks they way they do.

*Masked Ninja* · 07-11-2005, 09:43 PM

Nah, you don't need to apologize. We just thought that you guys were getting a little too sensitive. But that's OK... you like to analyze details, I like to bask in the whole. I suppose you and I agree that the new toon is cool at least.

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Originally Posted by FALLEN ELDOR

and what the hell happened to the Shell Cells? I haven't seen them use those since season one!

*laughs* I thought "Shell Cells" was kinda lame. Turtlecoms rule.

FALLEN ELDOR · 07-11-2005, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Masked Ninja

Nah, you don't need to apologize. We just thought that you guys were getting a little too sensitive. But that's OK... you like to analyze details, I like to bask in the whole. I suppose you and I agree that the new toon is cool at least.

*laughs* I thought "Shell Cells" was kinda lame. Turtlecoms rule.

yeah. Lets all get along and like give peace a chance and stuff.

But Shell Cell is so 21st century!

*DrSpengler* · 07-11-2005, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by FALLEN ELDOR

If that was true don't you think he would have put them in "his" version of TMNT by now?

His vision of TMNT just doesn't include Rocksteady and Bebop. He's said repeatedly in his letters collumn that he doesn't hate the characters, he just doesn't think they would work in the new toon and he doesn't want to change them from what they are. However, two Purple Dragons frequently appear in the show, both bearing an arguable resemblance to Bebop and Rocksteady's human forms (also remember that they started our as Shredder's street punk lackies in the old toon). So those two Purple Dragons are probably the most we're going to see of Bebop and Rocksteady.

In regards to the topic, I love any and all references to the old toon. I thought the stuff in Secret Origins was hilarious and the jabs at "Cowabunga" are meant to be laughing WITH the people who grew up on the old show and not AT them.

**Jester** · 07-11-2005, 11:34 PM

The Shell-cells pop up in season 3, as a way to resurect the presumed dead Prof. Hunnycutt, AKA the Fugitiod. But yeah I love the old toon and I love any refrences to it.... i think that there should have been a giant boar in the nexus along side Usagi and Gen as an homage to Bebop and Rocksteady.....but that didn't happen....here's a question: What kind of homages do you wish they'd show in the new show to any past representation of the Green team?

*Spitfire* · 07-12-2005, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by FALLEN ELDOR

How the turtles hate when Mike screams Cowabunga, April's flippant attitude about being a reporter "in another life" and when the Utrom told Krang to "shut up" rubbed me as mocking the old cartoon.

Well that would only make sense, Laird wasn't very pleased with the first show

Anyways, I think it would be funny to have Mikey turn on the TV and one of the TMNT rip off shows could be on. Like Street Sharks, but not Street Sharks just something like it. And then he just go "Blah" and turn it off

*ZariusTwo* · 07-12-2005, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

Well that would only make sense, Laird wasn't very pleased with the first show

That's a misconception, Laird would'nt want to see the first series NOW, but he does'nt "hate" it

07-10-2005, 03:08 AM	#1
lilonardo Hench Mutant Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: United Kingdom Posts: 293	old toon references in new toon Do you think they should include more classic TMNT references in the current TMNT cartoon? I do I have an idea for one: How about a Triceraton called Rocksteady? __________________ http://leodonraphmike.tripod.com

07-10-2005, 03:12 AM	#2
FALLEN ELDOR Hench Mutant Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 298	As long as they aren't derogatory like they have been in the past... __________________ The first movie was a perfect balance between the adult comics and the children's cartoon!

07-10-2005, 10:36 AM	#4
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,491	Beats me, Krangs' cameo was true to the comedic character he's more well known for __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

07-10-2005, 07:30 PM	#6
remix17 Foot Soldier Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 113	I thought they were being derogatory too. I said it in the Favorite/Least favorite Characters thread. (I guess they are trying so hard to make the show badass. :rolleyes Here is a cool nod to the old show, from Episode 2 I think. I can't remember the exact quote though: Leo: "Watch your step, guys, or you'll be turtle soup." A nod to the Shredder's old school threat: "Tonight I dine on turtle soup!" __________________ "Impressive. Unless of course, you were aiming for me."

07-11-2005, 12:34 PM	#8
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	Honestly, I thought the references were truly paying homage to the original animated incarnation of the TMNT from 1987 and relating it to the characters as they're currently depicted. I remember back in 1990 how Raphael always used to make witty remarks about Leo's battle cries and how much he got a kick out of being around his brothers, especially Michaelangelo. He even once yelled "Cowabunga!" himself while surfing ontop of a fire hydrant (which came off pretty goofy, even for that series at the time) Now here in the current show we got Raph as Mr. Toughguy who shuns just about every wisecrack Mikey tries to make. It's just so interesting when you look at the contrast between the different versions of each character. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

07-10-2005, 09:15 AM	#3
Sage Ninja Band of the Hawk Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: USA Posts: 3,926	how have the refereances been derogatory

07-11-2005, 03:03 PM	#9
Masked Ninja Doodles TMNT for fun Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: sploshin' through some sewer... Posts: 2,137	Really, I think people are just being over-sensitive if they think those references are derogatory. "Cowabunga" doesn't fit in the more serious mood of the new cartoon. But it is a huge part of the old - so making joking references are funny. Especially since Mikey is the least serious Turtle of the new show...he kinda lives in the world of the old toon in his mind. And the Krang thing... heeh, I laughed at that. It's not mocking the old cartoon however...it's just an excuse to drop a name. For all its plot worth, the line "shut up" would work just as well. And dropping Krang's name among the race that inspired his character is... pretty funny. Question though, "FALLEN ELDOR"... I know from reading your posts that you like the old toon better. Could the offense you're taking be simply because you don't like the new series and (with or without realizing it) are just looking for more reasons to dislike it? No offense meant, but... those complaints seem a little too... searches for word touchy?

07-11-2005, 05:14 PM	#10
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	I have to agree with Masked Ninja on this one. I mean it sounds alittle strange to get worked up over these references as if the writers themselves were treating the classic cartoon as the butt of all their jokes. Anyhow, I just wanted to bring up one thing that I thought it might be funny if at some point in the near future they were to reference the old belt buckle initials. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

07-11-2005, 05:20 PM	#11
Doppleganger Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 687	Yeah I tend to agree those references were pretty funny. Can't believe I missed the "turtle soup" line. __________________

07-11-2005, 05:40 PM	#13
remix17 Foot Soldier Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 113	I missed it too the first doezen times, don't worry. EDIT: Oh, and I'm sorry for getting "worked up." I do like the new show. I'm just sensitive. __________________ "Impressive. Unless of course, you were aiming for me."

07-11-2005, 05:49 PM	#14
FALLEN ELDOR Hench Mutant Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 298	don't apologize for your opinion. Some people need to realize that others are going to disagree with them, they need to accept that not everybody thinks they way they do. __________________ The first movie was a perfect balance between the adult comics and the children's cartoon!

07-11-2005, 11:34 PM	#18
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,300	The Shell-cells pop up in season 3, as a way to resurect the presumed dead Prof. Hunnycutt, AKA the Fugitiod. But yeah I love the old toon and I love any refrences to it.... i think that there should have been a giant boar in the nexus along side Usagi and Gen as an homage to Bebop and Rocksteady.....but that didn't happen....here's a question: What kind of homages do you wish they'd show in the new show to any past representation of the Green team? __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656