Video Games Completed In Minutes

[ZariusTwo]

http://bisqwit.iki.fi/nesvideos/

Super Mario World in 10:36?

[XERO]

Z-Two, that's one of my favorite websites.

The videos are just plain INSANE! I already have a collection of movies I downloaded from there, the most recent being Battletoads in Battlemaniacs.

Pure awesomeness to the 25th power!

[NeoBix]

I'm not trying to spoil your fun or anything, but those people are cheating in order to achieve those record times. They abuse programming, just like it says on there, and they also use mods to enhance the speed of the game to a speed that the game was normally never supposed to be played at. Aside from that, they aren't even playing those games on the machines that they were originally made for. They're playing them on computers, as ROMS, using MODS, so the games can be modified and they can cheat on them and increase the speed of them and use pausing exploits (especially in games that were never supposed to be paused to begin with).

The day I have any kind of respect for people like that who think cheating makes them gamer pros is the day that they release a Barbie VS. TMNT movie in theatres. That website is a waste of time and if you enjoy spending your time looking at that website then you enjoy looking at a bunch of losers who think they're cool because they can cheat in games.

[XERO]

I agree with you Neo.

But, they're still fun to look at.

[Turtledude2k3]

Originally Posted by NeoBix

I'm not trying to spoil your fun or anything, but those people are cheating in order to achieve those record times. They abuse programming, just like it says on there, and they also use mods to enhance the speed of the game to a speed that the game was normally never supposed to be played at. Aside from that, they aren't even playing those games on the machines that they were originally made for. They're playing them on computers, as ROMS, using MODS, so the games can be modified and they can cheat on them and increase the speed of them and use pausing exploits (especially in games that were never supposed to be paused to begin with).

The day I have any kind of respect for people like that who think cheating makes them gamer pros is the day that they release a Barbie VS. TMNT movie in theatres. That website is a waste of time and if you enjoy spending your time looking at that website then you enjoy looking at a bunch of losers who think they're cool because they can cheat in games.

Well it doesn't matter weither they cheated or not.. Besides this "Barbie Vs. TMNT" sweetens the deal.

I would love to see that..

[Jester]

I've probably beaten TMNT: Fall of the Foot Clan for the Game Boy in under 30 min... but that doesn't matter does it...

[Weapon X]

Originally Posted by Jester

I've probably beaten TMNT: Fall of the Foot Clan for the Game Boy in under 30 min... but that doesn't matter does it...

Crap that takes about 15min topps.

[Jester]

Well laddy da....I've not played in a while...i was giving a broad estimate...

[Spitfire]

I beat Turtles In Time in 23 minutes o_O Anyways those videos are bull 90% of the time. They just use a ROM hack of the game. Slow the game down, save often in case they mess up and then speed it back up in Adobe Premiere...woot they have talent. That's like someone doing a speed run in RE. Most of the time they have ultimated ammo for beating the game in under 3 hours so they can just breeze through. I saw someone do a speed run in DMC. They would enter a room use air raid to kill everything really fast with their ultimated Devil Trigger and then that was that. Lame...

[NeoBix]

Anybody can cheat, but it takes a real loser to try and turn cheating into something special.

[Ninja Tiptup]

I'm just happy to see what Shredder looks like finally (from watching that video). His sprite is easily the most detailed and nicest looking in the game.

The recorder showed Donatello hitting someone with his Bo while facing the other direction. Can you actually do that? I don't think I've tried.

[shuriken]

Yeah I hate to cheat in video Games i like somewhat of a challenge. Anyways I beat Hyperstone Heist with a friend of mine in 18 minutes. Then again in hard but that took about 24 minutes. We felt all proud of ourselves and then played Streets of Rage 2. that took about an hour and a half though. My Genesis felt like a stove after that

[NeoBix]

lol ya those sega genesis machines will get cooked up after a little while I think they were designed with poor ventilation lol

[Ferneu]

Well, I totally disagree with both neobix and spitfire666.
I've known the NES TOOL ASSISTED time attack scene for a long time
and I must say I'm a little bit disapointed with some opinions
here.

First of all http://speeddemosarchive.com is the place you all should
be going if you wanna watch some REAL speed demos, made by
REAL people using nothing else than the original game and the
original platform it was meant to be played. SDA was a site created
for Quake Speed Runs, which by the way is the best multiplayer game
ever released, altough it's single player mode sux...

Anyway, SDA now host speed runs for several games, not only for PC,
but also for home consoles too, especially NINTENDO's (by the way,
check out the NES mega man and battle toad speed runs, they ROCK
big time)

Anyway, let's get back to the TOOL ASSISTED time attacks. As many of
you doesn't seem to know why people started doing that and are just
saying they are a bunch of loosers trying to achieve some glory,
let me tell the whole history behind the scene.

Well, there is this place called TwinGalaxies, which, with time, turned out
to be THE PLACE with the official rules and judges for anyone who might
wanna hold the title for fastest game completion. TwinGalaxies community
gained some special atention (and even non-web media coverage) when
some fellas started to remove the dust from their NES and attempt some
records at Mario Bros 1. Quickly they've droped the record to something
under 5:15''.

Nobody culd wait to see the next best time, and then, some
guy named Morimoto (something like that) showed up with a
movie of Super Mario Bros 3 being beaten under 12 minutes.
But hey, that wasn't the most impressive part. What was
really impressive was the way that RUN was played, with
some perfect milimetric timed moves and most of all, a beautifull
played level on the final world where he achieves the maximum allowed
lifes for mario in a way that it'd be almost humanlly impossible,
since he would have to know where and when every single enemy
of that level would apear, with no room for errors or retries.

Of there were some instantanly cheat acusations, but hey, I've already
seen a guy playing a R-Type space shooter kind of game using one
hand to control player 1 and the other one to control player 2
(I think it's on SDA, if I'm not mistaken), so, perhaps that dude
was really THAT good...

Anyway, before most of us even had the time to finish wiping our
own drool, that Morimoto guy came clean and told how he had done
the movie by playing almost frame by frame on a special emulator
he designed and so on...

After the obvious "cheaters must die" **** talk that his statement
caused, some guys decided to do that with more games, not because
they wanna worshiped as god of gaming, but simple because it was
COOL. It was cool to watch what would be POSSIBLE to do in a game,
even though it WAS NOT POSSIBLE, at least not LIKELY, that any human
been would be capable of, or something that the ORIGINAL HARDWARE
WOULD NOT ALLOW, but if you manage to do it some how...
There was only one rule: YOU CANNOT CHEAT. YOU CANNOT IN ANY WAY
MESS WITH THE ROM IMAGE. NO HACKS, NO PATCHS, NO NOTHING.
You can manipulate "random" events, like pausing in order to
to change certain enemy position, you can slowdown the game in
order to achieve frame timed precison in your moves, take advantage
of some bug/glitch, etc. I mean, you can send any kind of user input
to you want to the hardware, even though some of them would not be
possible with the original input hardware (joystick), but YOU CAN'T,
by any mean, mess with the game it self.

It's like having two separated boxes, #1 being the user input and #2
being the hardware receiving those inputs, processing them and showing
it's results. You can do anything you want with #1, but you can't touch
#2.

Nowadays, almost every single emulator allows you to record a "movie",
a "replay", a "demo" whenver you want. Ever wondered why they're so small?
That because they're nothing more than the button presses you've made
throughout the movie record period. That way you need the same ROM you
made it in oder to view it, cause the emulator will just start the game
and keep sending those same commands you made to the ROM. That's every
movie on that site comes in two forms. One is a .avi, which may have lead
many of you think that all that was just video editing, rom hacking bull,
but also comes in a .fmv/.fcm file, which are very small because they're
just the userinput. Nothing else. So, if you have the game's ROM and use
that exactly same input, every single thing that happend on the .avi
movie should happen on your emulator too.

So that was, and still is, the whole point behind it.
TOOL ASSITED TIME ATTACKS are meant to be ART. Are meant to be
fast and if possible, beautifull, with some nice moves.
Original ROM and HARDWARE speed runs are meant to be drooled over :)

http://bisqwit.iki.fi/nesvideos/ is the main site of the TOOL ASSISTED
scene. Neo seemed to be the only one here that read the site's FAQs,
etc, but since he said the they've used hacked roms, I think he missed
the whole point behind it. Anyway, inside the site you''ll all the
info you'll need in oder to understand it. And every glich, trick, etc,
used in the timeattack "movies" are explained there.

Well, that was long, but had to be said. I do apreciate both
scenes, both the TOOL ASSITED and the regular one. One can find
me often visiting both sites:
http://bisqwit.iki.fi/nesvideos/
and
http://speeddemosarchive.com

My point is, don't critisize something you don't understand.
Altough I DO UNDERSTAND that everybode here has the right to express
any kind of opinion they want, and they should never give up on that
right. Just try to be a little bit more informed. That's all.



PS: don't miss the tool assited NES Super Mario Bros 3 movie. It's was
where this whole mess started and it's still one of the best "movies"
ever made :)

PS2: sorry for my English. It should be quite obvious right now that
it isn't my first language, but I've tryied (tried?? tryied?? hehe) to
do my best here.

[Spitfire]

I've seen other time attack videos before too. Most of the people had ultimated something. I saw an RE run the guy had ultimated ammo for all the guns. I saw someone do a DMC run he just used the same move with ultimated Deviltrigger the whole time. I don't know I like watching impressive speed runs like the Mario 64 one. I havn't seen alot so when I say 90% of them are bull I mean 90% of the ones I have seen.

[Ferneu]

No prob.
I just wanted to make sure everybody
here got what http://bisqwit.iki.fi/nesvideos/
was all about.