the Ninja Turtles Twin Tower episode

[Anarky]

Originally Posted by Sewer Bull

I daresay it was actually popculture that inspired Al-Quaida.

Not quite, but the media does have its effect on today's so-called terrorism. It's all about attention. You know, the Twin Towers held no strategic value to anyone, so why knock them down and kill thousands of unnecessary lives? Because people will be watching. It's no longer about political targets or strategic value, it's about being seen, attention, your personal 15 seconds in the spotlight.

The Pentagon, I can sort of understand, but then again, there's too much left for conspiracy theoreticians (is that even a word?) to blahblah about and sadly, most of it sounds more or less credible.

To go back to the subject. I feel it's a disgrace to cut out the Twin Towers from any movie and media. It's not like they never existed! People should see it the way they were protrayed, the mighty, beautiful Twin Towers that were in the middle of a really friggin' huge city. It's not like that big hole in the ground was always a big hole in the ground. And people died in there, people died to save other people who the media doesn't give a damn about. It was a really big act of humans helping humans, the way it should be. But what do we get? "Al Qaida this" and "Saddam Hussein... oh no, not him... oops sorry." and "Bin Laden that". All those unsung heroes... Sure, you see the guy with the Twin Towers tattoo on TV or in the newspaper, but that's about it.

I'd even pay money to see Spider-Man with the Twin Towers in cinemas again. So, no, I don't think that cutting Twin-Towers-Scenes is of any use.

[pwnage]

Originally Posted by Turtle Dove

Doesn't Disney own WB as well?

No, AOL Time Warner does. The epitome of corprate evil.

[Turtle Dove]

Originally Posted by pwnage

No, AOL Time Warner does. The epitome of corprate evil.

Hey Optimus Prime would you blowa circuit if they removed the Twin Towers scenes from the G1 show?

[iris]

Originally Posted by Anarky

Not quite, but the media does have its effect on today's so-called terrorism. It's all about attention. You know, the Twin Towers held no strategic value to anyone, so why knock them down and kill thousands of unnecessary lives? Because people will be watching. It's no longer about political targets or strategic value, it's about being seen, attention, your personal 15 seconds in the spotlight.

The Pentagon, I can sort of understand, but then again, there's too much left for conspiracy theoreticians (is that even a word?) to blahblah about and sadly, most of it sounds more or less credible.

To go back to the subject. I feel it's a disgrace to cut out the Twin Towers from any movie and media. It's not like they never existed! People should see it the way they were protrayed, the mighty, beautiful Twin Towers that were in the middle of a really friggin' huge city. It's not like that big hole in the ground was always a big hole in the ground. And people died in there, people died to save other people who the media doesn't give a damn about. It was a really big act of humans helping humans, the way it should be. But what do we get? "Al Qaida this" and "Saddam Hussein... oh no, not him... oops sorry." and "Bin Laden that". All those unsung heroes... Sure, you see the guy with the Twin Towers tattoo on TV or in the newspaper, but that's about it.

I'd even pay money to see Spider-Man with the Twin Towers in cinemas again. So, no, I don't think that cutting Twin-Towers-Scenes is of any use.

Actually, they'd been trying to hit the World Trade Center for years. It was an iconic landmark, and was symbolic of not only America's capitalist strength but of our capitalist allies. (Gotta give them credit for doing it on "9-11" though. Very cute.) The only bigger target would have been the White House, and they probably hit the Pentagon because they couldn't find the White House. The Pentagon is a physically huge target; you can see it from miles away in the air.

I don't buy the conspiracy theories for the simple fact that the government ain't that organized. Well I've got other reasons too, but I'm not getting into that.

But I agree, actually editing the towers out of any old stuff is wrong.

[Turtle Dove]

Originally Posted by iris

Actually, they'd been trying to hit the World Trade Center for years. It was an iconic landmark, and was symbolic of not only America's capitalist strength but of our capitalist allies. (Gotta give them credit for doing it on "9-11" though. Very cute.) The only bigger target would have been the White House, and they probably hit the Pentagon because they couldn't find the White House. The Pentagon is a physically huge target; you can see it from miles away in the air.

I don't buy the conspiracy theories for the simple fact that the government ain't that organized. Well I've got other reasons too, but I'm not getting into that.

But I agree, actually editing the towers out of any old stuff is wrong.

I have to agree, I was watching the episode where Shredder and Baxter where on the TWin Towers and then left. Then you hear Don talking about it to Splinter and saying "It has something to do with the Twin Towers". If this was editted for the wussy people. This episode would make no sense and make you say,"WTF?"

[Coola Yagami]

One of the future TMNT eps, I think it was 'The Big Blow Out' dealt completely with the Twin Towers since it was the base of Shredder and Krang's plot to power the Technodrome. They'd have to cut out the entire episode if they were to censor the Towers.

[Turtle Dove]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

One of the future TMNT eps, I think it was 'The Big Blow Out' dealt completely with the Twin Towers since it was the base of Shredder and Krang's plot to power the Technodrome. They'd have to cut out the entire episode if they were to censor the Towers.

EK! Now that would be AWFUL

[Shreddette]

Holy crap. I happen to adore that episode. I would be infuriated if they cut it because of that. *cracks knuckles*

[Turtle Dove]

Originally Posted by Shreddette

Holy crap. I happen to adore that episode. I would be infuriated if they cut it because of that. *cracks knuckles*

I could see you running a mock in NY saying,'Get over it!Gimma my Shredder!"

[TheShowstoppa]

I'm surprised that some people would want to destroy some of these scenes and episodes. The sheer fact that it was a national tragedy doesn't mean we need to eradicate our past just to suit the sensitive people of today is comletely ludicrous. Just because Pearl Harbor happened doesn't mean we forget about it and wipe if from our minds. Same thing goes for the World Trade Center. Now it is part of our cultural history. Same thing goes with anything as disastrously tragic as that. Letting things slip away like that means we forget it. If we forget it, we dishonor the people who tragicly died that day.

I say it is more immoral to rid ourselves of these images and these movies/shows with shots of the WTC in them. It's starting to show our younger generations that if we wipe things out by making there be no more traces of them, then we can make our tragidies disappear.

[Raakone]

Originally Posted by TheShowstoppa

I'm surprised that some people would want to destroy some of these scenes and episodes. The sheer fact that it was a national tragedy doesn't mean we need to eradicate our past just to suit the sensitive people of today is comletely ludicrous. Just because Pearl Harbor happened doesn't mean we forget about it and wipe if from our minds. Same thing goes for the World Trade Center. Now it is part of our cultural history. Same thing goes with anything as disastrously tragic as that. Letting things slip away like that means we forget it. If we forget it, we dishonor the people who tragicly died that day.

I say it is more immoral to rid ourselves of these images and these movies/shows with shots of the WTC in them. It's starting to show our younger generations that if we wipe things out by making there be no more traces of them, then we can make our tragidies disappear.

Amene to that. Amene!

I downloaded episode 4 of the original....and I heard them say the "International trade centre"...was this in the original, or was it just a "strategic change of word" to avoid offending "certain people"?

[Turtle Dove]

Originally Posted by Raakone

Amene to that. Amene!

I downloaded episode 4 of the original....and I heard them say the "International trade centre"...was this in the original, or was it just a "strategic change of word" to avoid offending "certain people"?

episode 4? the hot rod teens one? I'll have to watch it again

[Sewer Bull]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

One of the future TMNT eps, I think it was 'The Big Blow Out' dealt completely with the Twin Towers since it was the base of Shredder and Krang's plot to power the Technodrome. They'd have to cut out the entire episode if they were to censor the Towers.

Yeah, it was "The Big Blow Out". Krang needed the tallest building in the city to create the dimensional portal. Don called it "World Trade building", BTW.

Originally Posted by Anarky

Not quite, but the media does have its effect on today's so-called terrorism. It's all about attention. You know, the Twin Towers held no strategic value to anyone, so why knock them down and kill thousands of unnecessary lives? Because people will be watching.

That's true what you say. Nevertheless, I just meant that the inspiration for using four planes loaded with people as missiles might have come from a fictional plot. Like in "Independence Day" by Emmerich, with Empire State building's pictoresque destruction by the invading aliens - I'm pretty sure this movie greatly inspired Al Quaida to perform a similar vivid action (in 1993, WTC was "just" bombed). I also remember watching a movie, made before 2001, with a commercial airliner hi-jacked by terrorists and heading for the White House. I can't recall its title, tho'

[Anarky]

Originally Posted by Sewer Bull

That's true what you say. Nevertheless, I just meant that the inspiration for using four planes loaded with people as missiles might have come from a fictional plot. Like in "Independence Day" by Emmerich, with Empire State building's pictoresque destruction by the invading aliens - I'm pretty sure this movie greatly inspired Al Quaida to perform a similar vivid action (in 1993, WTC was "just" bombed). I also remember watching a movie, made before 2001, with a commercial airliner hi-jacked by terrorists and heading for the White House. I can't recall its title, tho'

But then again, it is highly possible that two different "writers" came up with the same idea. I mean, destroying an iconic landmark is not really something you have to be a genius to come with. All you gotta think is "What is there that will give us maximum attention?" What's better than a skyscraper? Or two skyscrapers for that matter.

But on the other hand side, it is possible that they were inspired by your movie, Rob, which would make the events even more tragic.

[Shreddette]

Originally Posted by Turtle Dove

I could see you running a mock in NY saying,'Get over it!Gimma my Shredder!"

Rarr. I'd pop out of the ground via Transport Module. You know, so I could escape the mob...

[Original TMNT Cartoon Fan]

The WTC also appeared in the episode "Landlord of the flies". And that episode also delt with terrorism when Baxter Stockman tried to destroy a power plant just to ruin society by causing a blackout. (Krang, Shredder, Bebop and Rocksteady at least tried to steal energy to power up the Technodrome).

[ZariusTwo]

...The Decepticons beat you all to it.

http://devastator911.ytmnd.com/

[Turtle Dove]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

...The Decepticons beat you all to it.

http://devastator911.ytmnd.com/

Well if that wasn't the most insulting thing I ever seen! Hasbro should get sued or that scene HAS to be editted. Plus whoever made that page did it to be a jerk. At least in TMNT it was never a success to destory the Towers. The towers where there and used for a plot. Same with Spiderman and every othe movie before it.

Shame on the guy who made that page. I'd be careful too, if the wrong person sees that it's an automatic terrorist threat and your ass is fined. Stupid and funny as that might sound I'm actually rather serious,I heard enough talk, debates,laws,etc after 9/11 happened. That's all my dad would watch on cable!

In other words, be careful with what you post online!

[Anarky]

Originally Posted by Turtle Dove

Well if that wasn't the most insulting thing I ever seen! Hasbro should get sued or that scene HAS to be editted.

Oh, yes! Definitely. Hasbro should not only be sued, but also arrested and then executed! 9/11 is all their fault! The wanted to sell toys! Now it all makes sense to me. Like, they took American Airways, because they wanted to show the world that the Decepticons are better and all that.

Yeah, right... go sue them. It's a win-win situation for you. You get to be in court and you'll be the laughing stock of an entire planet. You'll get more than just your fifteen minutes in the spotlight. You'll have internet-fame, and even in years, people will laugh at you.

[Turtle Dove]

You know you got to have better things to do then to follow me again or just insult a post. Maybe you'd understand more if you lived in the states instead of in another country?

I just think posting that is pretty insulting cause we all where talking how they shouldn't be removed but posting it destoryed well...that's kinda mean.

I'm just remembering how others would feel. Nobody wants to relive it destoryed