Next Gen Consoles: Price Time! Here's my opinion

[Toonami Tom]

The XBox 360 is available in 2 version: Core $299.99 and Premium for $399.99

The PlayStation 3 is going to be available in 2 versions as well. One of them will be $499.99 and the other will be $599.99

The Nintendo Wii will be $199.99

Here's my oppinion: Buy an XBox 360 and a Nintedno Wii. Together they cost as much as 1 Playstation 3 at $600. I would think peiople would want 2 cool systems for the price of what PS3 will cost. I love the PlayStation 2, and Playstation 3 looks great, but I just don't want to pay that much for a console. Anyways, I already have an XBox 360, so next for me will be the Nintendo Wii. I also think the games are better for 360 and Wii.

[Barkworm]

That's pretty much what Peter Moore said a couple of days ago. I want all three of them but I am not willing to pay more than 300 for each.

[Peanut]

As much as I hate Sony, I'd probably still buy the PS3 at some point down the road, but until it drops about...$400 I'm not touching it. I'd be willing to pay the same price as a 360 for one...if it didn't have a completely awful list of upcoming games.

[Ecto Jedi]

Hehe, as easy as it would be to jump on the bandwagon and start bashing Sony for their recent choices, we must have faith in the venerable company and their decisions. Remember, this is the company that has had a stranglehold on the gaming market for the past five years, the company that created the dominant console of the 128-bit era, and the home of Grand Theft Auto and Metal Gear Solid. Sure, at the moment $600 dollars is looking like an awful lot to drop on a console -- but better graphics, improved controllers and PSP/PS3 connectivity is worth the price, no?

[Barkworm]

I think you picked the wrong forum, this is Sony hater central.
Seriously though, the PS3 is looking pretty crappy so far (except for MGS4). Nevertheless there are many franchises I love that will be PS3 exclusive so some time in a very distant future I will get myself one.
BTW did anyone read that interview with id Soft's John Carmack? He said that the PS3 was indeed more powerful than the 360 but it wouldn't make a difference because the thing is so hard to program for.

[Mecha Cow]

Faith in what? That they'll remain industry leader for another generation? Is there anyone who actually wants that?

Not saying that it won't happen, because it will.

[Barkworm]

I honestly don't believe that there are enough idiots who are willing to spend $600 on a console. Just look what happened when the XBOX was released in Europe. The freaking thing costed 480 bucks (!!!!!!!) and the price was dropped to 300 in a blink.

[Ecto Jedi]

Originally Posted by Mecha Cow

Faith in what? That they'll remain industry leader for another generation? Is there anyone who actually wants that?

Not saying that it won't happen, because it will.

Now why would you want Sony to fail and drop from the top of the gaming industry?

I can understand that the PS3 may not be your preferred console, and that you might be more inclined to purchase a Wii or XBox 360. But why all the hate? If you don't want to pay $600, then don't. Appreciate all the healthy competition between the consoles and play what you like.

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by Ecto Jedi

Appreciate all the healthy competition between the consoles and play what you like.

Amen to that. Competition = More great games.

[Kid Icarus]

One correction real quick... no price for Wii has been announced. Sure, it's expected to be $199.99, but I could see it going from anywhere between $149.99 to $249.99.

And you've also got to take into consideration the cost of owning each machine... PS3 and 360 demand to be played on HD sets to get the most from the hardware inside, and their games are pretty expensive.

Honestly though, I'll be buying a new TV for Wii. I want a widescreen that can run the games in progressive scan.

Ah, but this is dirty scummy competition that basicaly comes down to "mine's bigger then yours! lolz!"

It's stupid, really. It should be all about the *games*, instead of companies focusing so much on stupid hardware specs, useless features, and a possibly crappy control system.

Oh, and Playstation isn't home to Grand Theft Auto anymore. Hate to break it to ya, but 360 is gettng 4 the day it comes out, and PC's have had GTA for some time now (hell, I can get 3, Vice City, and San Andreas for around 10 bucks each for PC, and I bet they'd run smoother then on PS2). Of course, PS3 will still get the GTA series, but it's not exclusive anymore.

Hideo Kojima, the guy behind Metal Gear Solid, is in love with Wii... should be apparent from him wanting Snake in the new Smash Bros.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I think Nintnedo is trying to imply that the price is $199 so that Microsoft won't drop their price this Christmas, and then Nintendo can launch at something more along the price of $175 or something.

[Barkworm]

Sometimes I think Kojima hates making Metal Gear Solid. I mean he even said that he wished he could quit MGS4 to make his Wii game!

[ThirdMarioBro]

He does. He said he hates that Konami basically forced him to do 4, and thats why he's making sure that it will be the final game in the series.

[Ecto Jedi]

Originally Posted by Gwgtrunks

Oh, and Playstation isn't home to Grand Theft Auto anymore. Hate to break it to ya, but 360 is gettng 4 the day it comes out, and PC's have had GTA for some time now (hell, I can get 3, Vice City, and San Andreas for around 10 bucks each for PC, and I bet they'd run smoother then on PS2). Of course, PS3 will still get the GTA series, but it's not exclusive anymore.

Why, thanks for "breaking it to me," Gwgtrunks. Fascinating, really.

In any event, I just thought I'd throw in a minor detail here; while the $600 price tag will in all probability alienate more than a few gamers from purchasing Sony's brand-new console, six hundred bananas is actually an incredible bargain considering the PlayStation 3's specs. Downloadable games and features (from a free online service), greater EyeToy compatibility, PSP/PS3 connectivity, incredible graphics, a highly advanced "Cell" processor, a top-of-the-line Blu-Ray disc player, and -- let's not forget -- great games.

$600 bucks a pop? Expensive, yes, but not so much when you consider that a stand-alone Blu-Ray player will put you back about $1,000.

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by ThirdMarioBro

He does. He said he hates that Konami basically forced him to do 4, and thats why he's making sure that it will be the final game in the series.

As long as he delivers quality (and he always does) he can hate whatever he want. And man, I'd love it if this was the last game. Nothing better than a wrapped up story!

[Kid Icarus]

Originally Posted by Ecto Jedi

Why, thanks for "breaking it to me," Gwgtrunks. Fascinating, really.

In any event, I just thought I'd throw in a minor detail here; while the $600 price tag will in all probability alienate more than a few gamers from purchasing Sony's brand-new console, six hundred bananas is actually an incredible bargain considering the PlayStation 3's specs. Downloadable games and features (from a free online service), greater EyeToy compatibility, PSP/PS3 connectivity, incredible graphics, a highly advanced "Cell" processor, a top-of-the-line Blu-Ray disc player, and -- let's not forget -- great games.

$600 bucks a pop? Expensive, yes, but not so much when you consider that a stand-alone Blu-Ray player will put you back about $1,000.

I wasn't going to respond again to this thread... but now I have this need to seeing as I was directly pointed out in your response.

Specs don't make a machine, it's the developers that do. Good specs don't make good games. The PS3 and 360, while very impressive peices of technology, don't allow for much more to be done with game design then we've been seeing for the past TEN years.

Eye Toy is more gimmicky then anything Nintendo has ever made. There. I said it. It's true, it really is. My webcam, of six years, can run the same games Eye Toy can... again, six years ago.

Free online service was done last year by Nintendo. Sure, while not the best, it's free, it works, and developers have the freedom to do whatever they want with it. They can even charge if they feel like it.

Graphics are nice, but they're going to loose their 'wow' within a year. Next, plzkthx.

Now, how can Sony afford to give you a 'top of the line' blu-ray player in a PS3 when their top of the line supposedly sells for around $1,000? They can't. It's going to be just like the DVD playback in PS2, crap. Yeah, it'll play. Yeah, it'll have standard features. But is it going to work well? Hell no. You're also assuming that Blu-ray's going to become the standard for movies.

Back to the PS3 and development... that aweosme Cell processor actually makes it even HARDER to make games for. PS2, Xbox, and Gamecube were already hard machines to program, and apparently develoment costs are rising by tens of MILLIONS because system makers feel the need to have everything higher then it needs. You're never going to see anyone take full advantage of the PS3 hardware just because of the sheer difficulty of even getting stuff to *run* on the damn thing.

And you surely mean great *game* right? Metal Gear Solid 4 is about the only thing I see people really wanting that's exclusive to PS3. Final Fantasy'll make it's way over to 360 eventually, I'm sure and everything else is a multi platform game. Whooh.

This covers all the points I feel I needed to make about PS3. Now, I'm not going to come back into this thread and post, unless I'm attacked again. K, thx, bye.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by Ecto Jedi

In any event, I just thought I'd throw in a minor detail here; while the $600 price tag will in all probability alienate more than a few gamers from purchasing Sony's brand-new console, six hundred bananas is actually an incredible bargain considering the PlayStation 3's specs. Downloadable games and features (from a free online service), greater EyeToy compatibility, PSP/PS3 connectivity, incredible graphics, a highly advanced "Cell" processor, a top-of-the-line Blu-Ray disc player, and -- let's not forget -- great games.

No, it isn't a bargin. It's far from a bargin. Downloadable games and features is available on ALL platformers. I don't know where you heard it would be free, either. EyeToy is a worthless gimmick. PSP/PS3 connectivity is another cheese gimmick that'll be used even less than the GBA/GCN connectivity was used. The graphics aren't going to be that much better than 360's, if developers even want to go through all the difficulty of making a third-party game better on the PS3, which I doubt they will. I don't even see why you brought up the cell processor, as that fits in with the graphics, and whoopie for Blu-Ray, IF it catches on. As for games...well name one that people are excited for beyond MGS and FF. Two series I have a good feeling will be getting their fair share of attention on other consoles. Yeah...

[Kid Icarus]

Originally Posted by Peanut

No, it isn't a bargin. It's far from a bargin. Downloadable games and features is available on ALL platformers. I don't know where you heard it would be free, either. EyeToy is a worthless gimmick. PSP/PS3 connectivity is another cheese gimmick that'll be used even less than the GBA/GCN connectivity was used. The graphics aren't going to be that much better than 360's, if developers even want to go through all the difficulty of making a third-party game better on the PS3, which I doubt they will. I don't even see why you brought up the cell processor, as that fits in with the graphics, and whoopie for Blu-Ray, IF it catches on. As for games...well name one that people are excited for beyond MGS and FF. Too series I have a good feeling will be getting their fair share of attention on other consoles. Yeah...

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[Mecha Cow]

Now why would you want Sony to fail and drop from the top of the gaming industry?

I can understand that the PS3 may not be your preferred console, and that you might be more inclined to purchase a Wii or XBox 360. But why all the hate? If you don't want to pay $600, then don't. Appreciate all the healthy competition between the consoles and play what you like.

'Hate'? 'Wanting them to fail'? Thanks for the stock speech, but you're overreacting. My point is the same as yours, only I don't see much 'healthy competition' in Sony's 'We are Playstation! We can do anything we want and you will love us for it!' attitude. I didn't come here to argue, take it easy.

[Ecto Jedi]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

I think you picked the wrong forum, this is Sony hater central.

Hehe, perhaps I should have listened to you and never posted in the first place.

You're all entitled to your opinions, I'll give you that much. For the sake of being nice here, Peanut and Gwgtrunks, you make a few valid points, I guess. However, instead of trying to rip apart the other consoles (based solely on the company name behind the thing, I suspect), perhaps we should be shouting out praise for the ones we're looking forward to? I've made my case for the PS3, now your turn.

Oh, and I apologize Mecha Cow if I misunderstood you...And you're very welcome for the stock speech. I excel at those, mind you.