The "OMG, Football World Championship in Germany!!!!" - thread

[Sewer Bull]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

EDIT: I think it's hilarious that both our forwards are orginally from Poland.

That fact makes my heart bleed even more

...filthy traitors

Nevertheless, congratulations on Germany's performance, Barkworm. I watched their match against Costa Rica and it was very entertaining. Frings and Lahm scored some wonderful goals, Klose has a great chance to become the best scorer of the whole tournament. Something tells me Lehmann will lose his position in the German goal after this match and Kahn is going to play against Poland, tho'.

[Barkworm]

I made a new thread since at least two of us here care about this. I remember the thread for the last European championship where I basically talked to myself and Wingnut who didn't even watch the games.
Lehmann injured his foot in the Costa Rica match so he might not play against Poland. He won't lose his position permanently though. I don't know how much people outside of Germany know about this but after the horrible soap opera we had till he finally became #1, Klinsmann would lose all of his credibility if he changed back. The defence has to be re-organized though, I have no clue why they tried an offside trap all the time.
Ecuador's performance suprised me a lot, I always thought they'd be easy prey away from their mountain. Poland was really weak though, plus they had bad luck.
So how do you think will things develop?

[Sewer Bull]

Jolly good idea. I thought about creating a thread like this one too, but I was afraid it'd be totally ignored. I reckon there are going to be at least two-three more people to participate in it. But I don't want to call the names.

Yeah, we heard about that Lehmann-Kahn's rivarly, at least here. Lehmann did not play well yesterday, but he wasn't as bad as Friedrich - now that was what I call a terrible performance. But I should remain silent, as I support the team that screwed up yesterday really, really badly.

The said thing is, Poland played a friendly match against Ecuador last autumn in Barcelona. And they won 3-0. So we were all excited here after the Group A squad's been announced. That's why the yesterday's result is a full catastrophe. Of course they had terribly bad luck (2 posts, one bar and one goal scored from the offside) but they were extremely weak and totally unmotivated, unfortunately. And played a hilarious tactics - "4-5-1", something that might be good for the angrily attacking Germans and their weak defense of the counter-attacks - but not in the match where we should have scored as many goals as possible. But yeah - the Polish coach made a lot surprising decisions so far. For instance, he didn't call up Jerzy Dudek (F.C. Liverpool goalkeeper who won Champions' League last year), probably the most recognized Polish player. Oh well.

I suppose Germany and Ecuador are going to promote themselves to the next round. Poland's got a snowball's chance in hell to beat the Germans so my heart is going to bleed even more on Wednesday. But you guys definitely should do something with your defence line. Sweden or England in 1/8 round and The Netherlands or Argentina in the quarter-finals stage are going to be way more challenging than your group opponents.

Now I'm all excited with today's Argentina-Ivory Coast encounter. I hope the African team wins or at least draws.

[Anarky]

The first half of the first day wasn't that much of a surprise. Germany beating Costa Rica... Wow, what a surprise. And the game wasn't that impressive, if you ask me. But Poland - Ecuador was a surprise. I totally expected the Polish to win, but apparently Ecuador's better than anyone expected. Nontheless, I hope that both Poland and Germany will make it to the next round. Germany's out of the question, but Poland has to work now. I don't really root for Germany because they're annoying me for months now, but for the sake of the game, they need to go further.

Anyways, here's my guesses for today:

UK - Paraguay: The UK wins. At least two goals ahead of Paraguay.
Trinidad/Tobago - Sweden: Sweden. Although they're both not extraordinarily good, they just might pull this off.
Argentina - Côte d'Ivoire: Another joke of a match, just like Germany - Costa Rica. They might as well just call it a day and go drinking. Argentina wins.

But can we also talk about the commercial side of the WM (as it's known as over here)? I must say that I'm so glad that they're finally playing soccer. I mean, we have had commercial overkill for months now. Soccerthis, soccerthat, singing flowers, Ballack in every other commercial. I seriously stopped watching TV for a while just because I was so pissed at the whole WM-sh*t on TV. But it's not just the commercials that piss me off, no, all those WM-specials just were too much. Kahn this, Ballack that and that damned arrogance the Germans have towards everyone else. It's sickening. From that point of view, I hope all those companies who had WM-commercials would have to file for bankruptcy (like plushie-manufacturer Nici) and that everyone loses a lot of money. I really hate the whole commercial crap.

And Goleo plus the song are just terrible.

[Barkworm]

HERBERT GRÖNEMEYER FTW!!!
I have learned to ignore commercials so I wasn't really bothered by all the crap. I pity all those people in Germany who don't give a crap about football because I'm sure this must be torture for them.
BTW, is Germany really that arrogant? I honestly never felt that way. I think the most arrogant football nation has always been Brazil (they do have a reason for their arrogance though).

Originally Posted by Sewer Bull

[...]The Netherlands or Argentina in the quarter-finals stage[...]

I got tickets for this!!!!! My brother actually won them. I coulnd't believe it. I had been trying to get tickets for months and he simply wins some.

[Anarky]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

HERBERT GRÖNEMEYER FTW!!!

I haven't heard that song yet, and I don't care. I have heard the Sportfreunde Stiller and that terrible official crap-song. And what has a "love generation" got to do with Football?

I have learned to ignore commercials so I wasn't really bothered by all the crap. I pity all those people in Germany who don't give a crap about football because I'm sure this must be torture for them.

Normally, I don't care about it all, but this is big. But it's not that big since it's been blown way, way out of proportion.

BTW, is Germany really that arrogant? I honestly never felt that way. I think the most arrogant football nation has always been Brazil (they do have a reason for their arrogance though).

Yes, but it's not the players, it's everyone else. And it's not just limited to soccer. A prime example was the Eurovision song contest. First they were moaning about not winning, then they were accusing everyone of cheating and that they were all conspiring against Germany and so on... I'm convinced that the same thing happens when Germany finally gets beaten at the WM.

I got tickets for this!!!!! My brother actually won them. I coulnd't believe it. I had been trying to get tickets for months and he simply wins some.

That's so awesome! I would have gone see Switzerland - Togo if I had some money. Now my buddy's sister is going with him and another friend of mine.

[Dinny]

England's match with Paraguay just finished 1-0. England's second half performance was particularly dull.This is something that particularly annoys me about the World Cup, it just seems too easy for the bigger nations to make it to the knock-out stages. Even though England played poorly, there was never any doubt that they would win. That's why many managers and pundits agree that the European Championship is actually harder to win than the World Cup because the quality of the teams is much higher.
Just look at who Greece had to play to win Euro 2004: Portugal, Spain, Russia, France, Czech Republic and Portugal again in the final.
Meanwhile in 2002 Brazil played: Turkey (admittedly, they were impressive), Costa Rica, China, Belgium(!), England, Turkey and Germany (who surprised many in reaching the final).
I'm sure that England will pick up the pace now. They have to, afterall, as it is highly probably that England play Germany in the knockout stages which is a big deal to say the least. Having said that, I don't feel that England deserve to be ranked 2nd in the tournament.
About the whole naturalisation of footballers issue: I really dislike it. The associations of England, Portugal (even though they play Deco), Italy, Greece and Brazil have publically spoken out against it. Then you look at teams like Germany, France and Australia whose national teams consist of many foreigners. It's a real shame because France and Germany are certainly capable of fielding a strong team of home-grown talents.

[Sewer Bull]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

I got tickets for this!!!!! My brother actually won them. I coulnd't believe it. I had been trying to get tickets for months and he simply wins some.

You lucky dog you.

I watched England - Paraguay. It all ended up pretty early, after Paraguay's own goal. Then, the rest of the game was rather boring, except for a few rare more exciting moments.

[Dinny]

Originally Posted by Sewer Bull

I watched England - Paraguay. It all ended up pretty early, after Paraguay's own goal.

I think Beckham should claim that goal. The defender's touch did nothing more than confuse the keeper. The cross was already going on target and the flick from Garrera hardly changed the direction of the ball at all. If Beckham does successfully claim that goal, he'll become England's first ever player to score in 3 World Cups.

Originally Posted by Anarky

Argentina - Côte d'Ivoire: Another joke of a match, just like Germany - Costa Rica. They might as well just call it a day and go drinking. Argentina wins.

Sorry to double post.
That's not true. Ivory Coast has a very strong team with many players in England (Drogba, Eboue, Toure) and the young Yaya Toure who currently plays for Olympiakos is sure to make an impact. It's also a very young, athletic team. African football is no longer in the state it used to be. Teams like Cameroon, Senegal and Nigeria have all played well on the world stage and many newspapers here in Britain rank Ivory Coast as dark horses to win. While I do feel that Argentina may be a bit too much for them, the Argentinians are hardly going to have an easy game. This could be a very entertaining, fast-paced match.

[Sewer Bull]

Originally Posted by Dinny

Sorry to double post.
That's not true. Ivory Coast has a very strong team with many players in England (Drogba, Eboue, Toure) and the young Yaya Toure who currently plays for Olympiakos is sure to make an impact. It's also a very young, athletic team. African football is no longer in the state it used to be. Teams like Cameroon, Senegal and Nigeria have all played well on the world stage and many newspapers here in Britain rank Ivory Coast as dark horses to win. While I do feel that Argentina may be a bit too much for them, the Argentinians are hardly going to have an easy game. This could be a very entertaining, fast-paced match.

Amen to that.

And yay for Trinidad&Tobago for such a brave fight resulting in draw against the awkward Swedes. Hislop saved their asses quite a few times - his performance really cheered me up. Too bad that match was very boring in general and not worth watching at all.

[Dinny]

Hislop was sent in at the last second, too after their number 1 picked up an injury. Did you see at the end of the game he started crying? That's how much it means to them. Trinidad managed to squeeze out 1 or 2 chances in an otherwise disappointing game. Ibrahimovic looks poor. This will give Trinidad huge confidence going into the England fixture.

Does anyone have any idea what the odds were for a 0-0 draw in that match? Presumably they'd be very high.

[Sewer Bull]

Originally Posted by Dinny

Does anyone have any idea what the odds were for a 0-0 draw in that match? Presumably they'd be very high.

Well, presumably they'd be even more higher for Trinidad's victory.

And man... for the whole second half of that match, T&T had only ten players, as Avery John was sent away... that makes their draw even more breathtaking.

[Dinny]

If you were Trinidad's manager, what would you do with Hislop? Today he was a hero but they expect their number 1 to get better. If I had a keeper who had the form and confidence Hislop has right now, I'd stick with him.

[Anarky]

Hey, breaking news (from eight to ten hours ago): Togo's trainer, a Kraut, quit because of a money issue. I wonder if Togo will suck even more without a trainer.

[Dinny]

Originally Posted by Anarky

Hey, breaking news (from eight to ten hours ago): Togo's trainer, a Kraut, quit because of a money issue. I wonder if Togo will suck even more without a trainer.

I don't think it will severely affect their World Cup performance in any way, but it depends on how close he was to the players. They can't worry about that now, they just need a quick replacement, they need to concentrate on getting a new trainer as soon as the World Cup is over.

[Sewer Bull]

The clash between Argentina and Ivory Coast was very, very entertaining to watch. Definitely the best match so far, a fair spectacle for the end of the day after two rather moderate earlier duels. "Les Elephants" fought with passion, bravery and cunning - too bad they lost, they should have won this encounter. They totally pwned Argentinians who would have definitely lost if it hadn't been for Riquelme and his genius.

And I don't care much about Togo, they're a total outsider for me, a 100% candidate for the last place in a rather weak group. Too bad it is a team who stole the participation in this tournament from the more deserving one such as Senegal. Sheesh.

[Dinny]

Originally Posted by Sewer Bull

The clash between Argentina and Ivory Coast was very, very entertaining to watch. Definitely the best match so far, a fair spectacle for the end of the day after two rather moderate earlier duels. "Les Elephants" fought with passion, bravery and cunning - too bad they lost, they should have won this encounter. They totally pwned Argentinians who would have definitely lost if it hadn't been for Riquelme and his genius.

And I don't care much about Togo, they're a total outsider for me, a 100% candidate for the last place in a rather weak group. Too bad it is a team who stole the participation in this tournament from the more deserving one such as Senegal. Sheesh.

Argentina - Ivory Coast was a great game. Do you think they should change the rules of World Cup qualification and just let the 32 best teams in? It is annoying to see teams like Togo make it when you know they would never have made it if they were in a European group. Teams like Turkey, Greece, Denmark and Ireland would easily have made it through another continent.

[Barkworm]

Nonono, absolutely not! This is the WORLD championship, the weaker teams have to be in there. What would happen to all the surprises? People probably said the same thing about Senegal in 2002 and they were awesome. And I'm more than happy that Turkey didn't make it after all the sh*t they pulled last year.

Originally Posted by Dinny

Then you look at teams like Germany, France and Australia whose national teams consist of many foreigners. It's a real shame because France and Germany are certainly capable of fielding a strong team of home-grown talents.

To be fair, there are five players in our team who are of foreign origin (Klose, Podolski, Asamoah, Odonkor and Neuville) and four of them grew up here and have had the German citizenship since they were children. They ARE "home-grown" talents.

[Dinny]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

To be fair, there are five players in our team who are of foreign origin (Klose, Podolski, Asamoah, Odonkor and Neuville) and four of them grew up here and have had the German citizenship since they were children. They ARE "home-grown" talents.

OK, well that's fair enough, but what about teams like France who deliberately get their players French citizenship just so they can play for the French national team?
Also, in Britain I read in a newspaper that a young Greek player called Masmanidis (could be mispelled) played for the German youth team and said in press conferences that he didn't want to play for Germany, but for Greece. When I see a player play for England, I want to know that he truly cares about England so that he will play to the best of his ability. If a player stated that he didn't want to play for England but for his fatherland, I wouldn't want him in an England jersey because I would feel as though he didn't care, and was taking the place of someone who may not be as talented, but has dreamed his entire life of playing for England.

[Sewer Bull]

Originally Posted by Dinny

Argentina - Ivory Coast was a great game. Do you think they should change the rules of World Cup qualification and just let the 32 best teams in?

Well... I don't think so. You mean the FIFA ranking of course? Getting rid of the qualifications would just kill the football. The teams would try to play as many matches as possible - only to desperately better their rank positions and qualify for the TOP32. And the only serious matches would be played every two years (Euro+WorldCup) Besides, I don't find the FIFA ranking totally reliable in some details.

Plus, the surprise factor mentioned by Barkworm is also very important.