Dragon Ball Z (Uncut)

[Jon]

I've also been planning to get the DVDs. Haven't gotten too many of DragonBall or GT yet, but for a time was getting the Uncut DBZ DVDs when they came out. Then ended up having to wait a while (for money constraints), and had fallen behind a bit. But hopefully some time get into buying more from each.

[ZariusTwo]

I'd get all of the series if certain fan prices were'nt OVER 9000!

[GK Punk]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

I'd get all of the series if certain fan prices were'nt OVER 9000!

WHAT? OVER 9000!?!?

[ZariusTwo]

Vegeta



Vegeta



****ING 9000!

[DrSpengler]

Hahahahahaaaaa

That video had no right to be so funny, yet it was.

Man, I loved Brian Drummond's Vegeta. That's the one voice I missed the most when they swapped casts. Him and Scott McNeil's Picollo.

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by DrSpengler

Man, I loved Brian Drummond's Vegeta. That's the one voice I missed the most when they swapped casts. Him and Scott McNeil's Picollo.

I don't like the voices they have for the original Dragon Ball as well. I think the original 13 episode dub had character voices that matched the actual Japanese character voices much better. OOlong in particular. Shao sounded different, and Roshi had that accent, but I think they fit with the characters.

I watched one of the dubbed episodes on the uncut box set I purchased (Red Ribbon Army Saga, just after the first world's strongest Tournament ended to the episode where they go to an amuzement park) and Emperor Pilaf sounded like a bad impersonation of Gonzo, the Muppet whatever.

[DrSpengler]

Yeah, Pilaf got a serious down-grade. In the Ocean dub, he and Garlic Jr had the same VA who did an awesome job. They tried pulling the same thing for the Funi dub and it turned out poorly.

There are some voices in the Funi dub I like, but overall, Ocean was better (despite the edits).

[Anarchistguy]

Of course. I'd take Brian Drummond's Vegeta over Christopher Sabat's any day. One part of the original dub Namek saga I liked is when Vegeta realised Gohan stole his Dragon Ball. he said something like : "KID!!! YOU WON'T ESCAPE...MY WRATH!!!" The line itself wasn't great but DAMN he sounded pissed!!! I don't think Sabat's Vegeta would be able to equal that.

Originally Posted by Underoath740

How do the mangas compare to the t.v. show? Are they more mature? Follow the same story line? etc...

Dragon Ball:

(I'm talking about the whole thing -from when Goku and Bulma first meet to Goku's fight with the original Majin Buu-)

Manga ALL THE WAY!!! The pacing is MUCH, MUCH faster (like when Zabon first transformed, as soon as he was done, he IMMEDIATELY started attacking Vegeta, whereas in the anime, he gives a speech, laughs THEN attacks Vegeta. Also, the fight scenes look a HELL of a lot better. They're more dynamic and some hits actually look more brutal in the manga.

Here are some examples:

Vegeta beheading Guldo

Anime:


Manga:


Gohan killing a Cell Jr.
Anime:


Manga:

[Voltron]

Originally Posted by Anarchistguy

Of course. I'd take Brian Drummond's Vegeta over Christopher Sabat's any day. One part of the original dub Namek saga I liked is when Vegeta realised Gohan stole his Dragon Ball. he said something like : "KID!!! YOU WON'T ESCAPE MW WRATH!!!" The line itself wasn't great but DAMN he sounded pissed!!! I don't think Sabat's Vegeta would be able to equal that.

I loved Drummond's Vegeta. He had that sly, almost snake like way of giving the lines that really conveyed Vegeta's underhanded character. When they made the cast swap, his voice was real scratchy, like he was coming down with emphysema.

Also, was it just me, or did the new Krillin in the cast swap sound like Cartman from South Park?

[Anarchistguy]

You could say the same thing about Gohan's voice. Before the cast swap he sounded PERFECT (like an ACTUAL kid) now he sounds like he has something stuck in his throat.

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by Anarchistguy

Dragon Ball:

(I'm talking about the whole thing -from when Goku and Bulma first meet to Goku's fight with the original Majin Buu-)

Manga ALL THE WAY!!! The pacing is MUCH, MUCH faster (like when Zabon first transformed, as soon as he was done, he IMMEDIATELY started attacking Vegeta, whereas in the anime, he gives a speech, laughs THEN attacks Vegeta. Also, the fight scenes look a HELL of a lot better. They're more dynamic and some hits actually look more brutal in the manga.

I guess it depends on the series. The one thing I like BETTER about the original DB anime (from Goku meeting Bulma to Piccalo's introduction) is there are more storylines, but they don't seem too drug out. Muscle Tower could have used some trimming, but if there's more Seargent Purple (the idiot ninja) the better. Plus, we get great bits with Pilaf and crew, like them trying to pose as Goku to get a Dragon Ball from the Ox King.

DBZ? Well, it seems there's less chatter between the characters, and the fight sequences are over in less than half the time. As I said earlier, I liked it better when Gotenks first has a successful transformation, and you DIDN'T see the fight with him (them?) and Buu. It cut out the weird bit about the old characters palying cards, but it had a better flow to it.

Then again, that's nothing to what Toei did to that Ultimate Muscle thing. Seeing the cartoon, no wonder why everyone hates it. But then I started reading the manga... Friggin' unbelievable. Different jokes, not so much Dik Dik and Wally Capering, the Kid wasn't too much of an idiot, and above all, a more adult atmosphere. The show gave me some mild entertainment, but the book BLEW ME AWAY.

[Anarchistguy]

Originally Posted by Drtooth

Then again, that's nothing to what Toei did to that Ultimate Muscle thing. Seeing the cartoon, no wonder why everyone hates it. But then I started reading the manga... Friggin' unbelievable. Different jokes, not so much Dik Dik and Wally Capering, the Kid wasn't too much of an idiot, and above all, a more adult atmosphere. The show gave me some mild entertainment, but the book BLEW ME AWAY.

Are you talking about the ORIGINAL Kinnikuman or his son?

[Drtooth]

I'm talking about his son. His name is Mantaro

The funny thing is, in the Manga, Mantaro isn't too stupid. he's still cowardly, but mostly? He's pretty horny. In fact, Viz edited out ... well... Kid getting excited. At least for the first few issues. They pushed Kinnikuman Sr.'s goofiness on his son in the cartoon. Not to mention they added characters at strange times. I.e. Roxanne (the girl Mantaro is in love with) was introduced much earlier, and in an entirely different fashion. An entire story line that was not printed in the Manga, but was printed as a V-Jump novel (a seperate, kid related, series of graphic novels outside of their respective magazine publishings) was animated in the middle of a Superhuman Olympics storyline.

Of course, I found out they did the same thing with Kinnikuman Sr.'s cartoon in the 1980's. Several characters that were introduced in the early stages of the manga (when the series was more of an Ultraman parody) appeared in later wrestling sagas. They might have been out of place (I've never seen enough of the show to judge) since these sagas were increasingly more dramatic, with less joke time.

My FAVORITE change in the 80's series was a wrestling match between a German Nazi character (named Brockenman) and a wrestler from China (Ramenman, who was such a successful character, he had his own spinoff show). In the book, Ramenman puts Brockenman into a hold that eventually tears his body in half viciously. He laughs, presenting the dismembered corpse to the audience. In the cartoon, instead of being that violent, during the hold, Ramenman is somehow able to turn Brockenman's body into Dough, and make Ramen Noodles out of him. He then eats him.

There USED to be a clip of this on Youtube, before they bannished the Japanese footage. Even the openings/closings have been removed.

But here's the footage from the manga:



All and all, I'd kill to have Kinnikuman's 1980's show on DVD. Ultimate Muscle was okay, I guess. But I'm a sucker for retro80's animes.

[Drtooth]

I might as well ask...

What is the name of the DBZ movie where Hitler is running around, and is it available in the US on DVD?

[DrSpengler]

Dragonball Z movie #12: Fusion Reborn

[Dr. Doom]

I'm gonna go ahead and say no.

EDIT: This was posted before I saw the post above mine. Doesn't seem from the description of Hitler runnin' around like the kinda movie they'd release here when DBZ is considered to be a kids show. Though it is "Uncut" now.

[DaShredder]

In the cut version of movie 12 he has plus symbols on his patch in place of swastikas which seems kind of stupid,odds are:if someone sees nazis in a movie,whether or not the 'math nazis',they're still going to complain.And on Ultimate Muscle,yes the way 4Kids dubbed it..it was like rude toilet humor that really wasn't that funny,as opposed to the funny toilet humor in the manga.I'm trying to get the authentic nisei dvds from japan,but we'll see on that one.Anyhow,on DBZ,alot of peope criticize it,but man I LOVE IT!!! It was one of the first animes I was exposed too,I read the manga too,which is still good,but if you seen the series all the way through it takes away the magic of the cliff-hangers in it. I like the original DB too,but it's alot better in manga form,it's funnier,as the anime seems somewhat boring,maybe it's the dub.Oh and hi,Dr.Tooth,it's KinnikuDude from the AKIA forums,never knew you were a turtle fan!

[Spitfire]

You guys like DBZ so much maybe I should sell you my DBZ toy collection. When I was a kid and I liked the show I made a point to buy every DBZ toy that came out. Now the company that makes them is out of business and Jakks took them over. They re released the toys but I have all the original. Most of them are out of package but their mint. And I have all the IF Labs toys as well, who also went of of business.

These things take up valued space in a relatives house*I'd be beyond shamed to be anywhere near that stuff now* I got other crap to. Like DVDs that music stores wouldn't even take.

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by DrSpengler

Dragonball Z movie #12: Fusion Reborn

You know what actually burns me up about that? I heard they theatrically released that film in March (in the US), but I couldn't find it playing at any theater in the greater Boston Area. not even the art film houses.

Doesn't seem from the description of Hitler runnin' around like the kinda movie they'd release here when DBZ is considered to be a kids show. Though it is "Uncut" now.

Once again, something that Family Guy and South Park got slack for, all the while being adult shows, while a kid's (older kids, maybe) show in Japan can do the same thing.

AS I've said in my post about Kinnikuman, one of the characters was a Nazi. And that, inturn, got the show banned in Europe. I think it's funny that Japan can look back on it's past with the Nazi's a whole lot more willing than Germany.

You guys like DBZ so much maybe I should sell you my DBZ toy collection. When I was a kid and I liked the show I made a point to buy every DBZ toy that came out. Now the company that makes them is out of business and Jakks took them over. They re released the toys but I have all the original. Most of them are out of package but their mint. And I have all the IF Labs toys as well, who also went of of business.

My DBZ collection consists of a couple packages of funny bones (or whatever they were called) a couple capsule toys, the entire first BK promo, one of the secondary ones, and Majin Buu and Yamucha action figures.

Personally, I'm looking for If Labs classic DB figures, Pilaf, Kid Goku, Yamcha, and Turtle Hermit, specifically, and some of the DB/DBZ 1980's Kinishi (rubber figurines sold in Japanese gumball machines.. Think M.U.S.C.L.E.S.). I also tried to get a large Plush of Turtle Hermit, but they sold out.

[DrSpengler]

Originally Posted by Drtooth

You know what actually burns me up about that? I heard they theatrically released that film in March (in the US), but I couldn't find it playing at any theater in the greater Boston Area. not even the art film houses.

Yeah, I know. I saw ana dd for it in Wizard saying it was getting a theatrical release and I was like "Sweet!" Then I couldn't find it at any theater, even the cruddy weed-smelling arthouse theaters.

In retrospect, the movie wasn't so good and the $10 ticket would've been a waste of money, but still, by "theatrical release" did they mean "8 theaters in the whole country"?