New Anti-Gaming movie from religious extremists

[ThirdMarioBro]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIu3J...elated&search=

Joe Lieberman, Jack Thompson, Religious Leaders, Pastors, and soccer moms. The whole gang is here to play aren't they.

"OMG, terrorists used a plane simulator to learn how to blow us up! We must now degenerate society and voluntarily live in the dark ages! It is our only way to protect our virtues! It's what God intended!"

PROTECT THE CHILDREN!

PROTECT THE CHILDREN!

PROTECT THE CHILDREN!


It's always the same old bullsh*t speech, each and every time. The pricks have no quarrel with letting their children see the military blow people's heads off on national news each and every night, but they have every issue seeing polygons go "pop" on the TV. If stores would just enforce the damned ratings system, this would all go away.

"When I started teaching at MIT 15 years ago, students wanted to be film makers. Now they want to be game designers".


People like that are hell bent to preserve the "old system", just like all the religious extremists of the past want to "protect the old ways of life" so they can suppress people and knowledge so they can then proclaim the need for leadership to "their" personal goals. They want people to live the life they led, and nothing else. It's always the same old cycle. Disturbed people do stupid stuff. It doesn't matter if they play games, watch movies, or read the Bible. Why? All of them are violent. Everything is violent. If someone is messed up, they're messed up. If they played video games, it just becomes a convenient scapegoat.

This will stir up some sh*t, then blow over and go away again. Good tactic on their part, I must admit.

[LogicDonny]

oh no.. not them again.. Do they ever give up? Haven't we heard enough from Jack Thompson.. U seen him hwo insane he can be..

[gobo]

Why don't they stick to print? Don't they know motion-pictures are THE DEVIL?!? It would be way cheaper too. I can't wait for the videogame against movies they'll be releasing after this movie against videogames. As god-fearing parents, we shouldn't have to pay a lick of attention to our kids. That's society's job! But, the real culprit here in our children growing up violent is fiction in general. I would teach those brats of mine the difference between reality and make-believe if I knew. But, I shouldn't have to! That's society's job! We need to ban plays, movies, weapons, music, toys that feature graven images, fictional literature, all forms of pornography and even those sex medications. If a couple is having trouble conceiving, then it must be god's will. Actually, I take that back about weapons. The military needs them to protect us from foreign heretics and pagans. But, they should be banned from the public! The internet has to go too! It's a cesspool of smut and filth and pornography. While we're at it, let's ban medical science. These 'doctors' are playing god, damn it! When we get rid of all of these things, our world will beperfect... because we won't have anything else to blame **** on. However, I simply won't stand by while my world is pushed to the brink of apocalypse! I'd rather sit. You can destroy the world after I die. While I could do something constructive to help, I shouldn't have to. That's society's job!

Sincerely god's,
European Football Maternal Parent



Sweet Hera Almighty! Now that I got that out of my system... maybe I can get some sleep!

[Mecha Cow]

"When I started teaching at MIT 15 years ago, students wanted to be film makers. Now they want to be game designers".

Is this seriously supposed to be an argument?

[Spitfire]

"OMFG I can't read the ratings system so I allow my 9 year old to play a game where he kills police."

What idiot green lighted this piece of crap? I hate these ass backwards documentaries that basically lie. God's had his fair share of video games to. And what would you know! One of them is a first person shoot that teaches us it's okay to run around shooting goats with rocks. Also teaches us it's okay to commit copyright infringement.

[Peanut]

Here's the thing, this documentary was supposed to be about arguments on both sides of the coin. The director or whatever you want to call him even brought it up to gaming press in hopes of getting publicity, then he goes all pulls this "Video games are the devil!" bullsh*t? That's not gonna fly.

[Brian]

I am SO TIRED of people blaming video games for all of society's problems!

[iris]

Oh man, propaganda makes me nauseous. Lately, it's all been about why taking away the rights of the people is good for them... using scapegoats.

And I can't talk people out of being afraid of... everything! They get mad at me if I suggest that handing over power to the government doesn't actually make them safer and happier.

[Jester]

I must admit, I'm a victim of video games. One day I was walking home from school, wearing my denim overalls and my red shirt and cap. As I walked I saw a turtle. I stomped him to death and then threw it's shell at a Goomba. I later ate a mushroom...now I'm numb on my right side from the poison. Are you happy Nintendo of America! ARE YOU!!!

[Ra]

...okay...so, who wants to make a documentery on religious propaganda and what it does to illiminate all common sense in the world of entertainment as we know it?

I know it is reasonable to be afraid of death and war. I know it is reasonable to be conserned for the future of the next generation. But to just go and say "video games are the reason the world is so violent today", or "video games turned my son into a drug addict" is just a bit...well, extreame. Why the hell does the world have to live with people like this is a wonder to me...

[Jester]

It's like a video I watched in Cults class last semester in school. It claimed that TMNT and He-man were "Doorways to Satan" (The name of the video.) Upon that, the whole class groaned. The student aide (the professor was out for a doctor's appointment) stopped the tape and asked the class if our reaction could be our way of saying that they, as our professor had said "saw a demon under every bush." We all were in agreement. He admitted to enjoying Masters of the Universe. Many of the younger kids said they liked TMNT.

In an interview earlier in the series, the cults expert said the reason TMNT and He-man were "doorways" and things of his generation (such as Buck Rodgers and Flash Gorden) weren't is because back in the day the science fiction was just that...fiction. Now more and more sci-fi is becoming sci-fact and kids can't tell the difference. That also elicited a groan from the class. I think that's just the problem. Adults assume that kids can't separate the fictitious world of video games from real life, and in some cases that's true. But most of the time, it's just adults thinking kids are dumber than they are, and that's a shame.

[Anarky]

Hah, I learnt one good quote from that trailer. "Whoever tells the stories, defines the culture." I can completely agree with that, but it's not just videogames.

Sure, videogames make people more agressive, that is out of the question. It has been scientifically proven. However, it makes you more agressive in the sense of being louder and shakier and not in the homicidal sense. And this agression goes back after a while. I learnt this from a Dr. Tilo Hartmann who is actually pro-videogaming.

And I still say, videogames aren't to blame if there's a school shooting or GTA. I say videogames are just an expression of feelings. And if you feel the urge to manically shoot terrorists or counter-terrorist units in Counter Strike all day long for weeks on end, then I say there's something wrong. But not the "take the game away" kind of wrong. Maybe the player has trouble at school/work, maybe he/she gets rejected by his/her peers, maybe he/she's getting mobbed, blackmailed or whatever. That's what's wrong. Not Counter Strike per se, but the player playing it.

I mean, I've been playing various incarnations of Unreal Tournament since 1999 and I was taught how to use a gun at a very young age as a sort of sports-thing (looking back, I wouldn't do it again, but hey, I was just a kid.) I never, even when I was feeling really bad, felt the urge to go out and get me a gun to shoot people with or steal a car and rape a hooker or whatnot. Games were just that, games.

I believe it's part of a parent's responsibility to watch out for a child, this includes talking to your kid. And it doesn't begin when the kid's feeling bad. It starts way earlier. I think my mom did a really good job there. She never muttered phrases like "I'll be there for you if you need to talk". She just was there. How she knew when to be where or whether I knew where to find her, I don't know.

For short: Videogames aren't the cause, but they can be an indicator. Just look what your kid's doing, talk to him/her and keep an open relationship with your offspring. Forbidding anything won't help a bit.

EDIT: And am I the only one who feels that religion here is once more just a scapegoat to avoid the "Why"-question? "Oh, well, you know, it was God's will." And while I don't know any of the people in the trailer, I never even heard one reference to a religion in it. So I wonder if not the gamers themselves are projecting their own atheist views on the opposition, creating a similar effect as the ones avoiding the why-question. Perhaps to ignore the question as to why those people are against video games.

[Brodie]

Well, aren't Joe Lieberman and Jack Thompson right?

[Krang's Uncle]

Gamers,take a deep breath and calm down. A month from now, you'll still have your precious video games. This will blow over. No need to be as overzealous in your defense, you guys act just like "Joe Lieberman, Jack Thompson, Religious Leaders, Pastors, and soccer moms" that you so disdain when you get up in arms. Only difference being you guys/gals are on the other side of the issue.

[iris]

I don't think I'm overreacting at all. This is fearmongering propaganda aimed at further entrenching the power of certain unelected parties who already have way too much power.

Originally Posted by Brodie

Well, aren't Joe Lieberman and Jack Thompson right?

Well, in the sense that either video games had to stop being so violent, or they had to come with label warnings so that parents could be informed? Sure. In the sense that video games are Evil Thoughts shot from satanists directly into innocent nine-year-old brains causing them to turn their schools into a bloodspattered terrorist warzone littered with the bodies of NYPD cops? Er... no.

I've never liked the violent beat-em-up shoot-em-up video games. They bore me. I've spent much more time baking cookies than I have playing those video games. At the same time, I've had moments where I seriously just wanted to punch someone in the face for no reason at all, except that it would make me feel better. By the logic of this documentary, all that cookie-baking clearly made me an evil, aggressive person. They don't consider other, much more influential, factors.

[Krang's Uncle]

Originally Posted by iris

I don't think I'm overreacting at all. This is fearmongering propaganda aimed at further entrenching the power of certain unelected parties who already have way too much power.

Of course not. Do you think Lieberman and the league of evil soccer moms feel they are overreacting? Regardless of what the ulterior motive may be for certain people, you cant deny that a decent amount of people (the aforementioned league) feel there is a problem, much like others and you feel there isnt a problem. They arent the only ones alone in fearmongering. Go back to this comment from ThirdMarioBros in the first post of this thread:

"OMG, terrorists used a plane simulator to learn how to blow us up! We must now degenerate society and voluntarily live in the dark ages! It is our only way to protect our virtues! It's what God intended!"

Nice job of fearmongering from your own group. Its always nice to see the pot calling the kettle black.

You must of forgotten to take your deep breath.

[iris]

I hardly think TMB's sarcasm is on the level of a propagandizing documentary. One is rolling your eyes, and the other is perpetrating a slow and deliberate manipulation. Last I checked, rolling your eyes didn't make people afraid. More the opposite.

I'm breathing fine, but thank you for your concern.

[Anarky]

I generally feel that there's an overreacting on both sides, mainly to prevent the own faction to perhaps see that the others may have a point. I personally don't think either side is completely right, but I say both have points.

As I said in my first post, the walling and yelling and stereotyping on both sides may occur just to prevent yourself from looking at the other side and seeing that they're not eniterly wrong.

[iris]

There are more than two sides to every issue, including this one. Things are generally always more complicated than they look. I'm not about to get into all of it on this forum.

To answer your earlier question, Anarky, there is a reference to religion in the trailer. A man says, "violence has always been with us; it's been with us since Cain slew Abel," which is a biblical reference. And I don't think gamers are necessarily atheists. Also, the title "Moral Kombat" implies a religious point of view.

[Katie]

Propaganda. Plain and simple. I am not a gamer (I LOVE to watch someone play, but all I do is die...alot) but the very thought of anyone forcing their morals on someone else burns me up

Once you are old enough to make decisions....you are responsible for those decisions. If you have children, you have the responsibility to teach them the difference between fantasy and reality...right and wrong, etc. There is no call for finger pointing to take the blame off the parents.

If little Joey goes out and beats the snot out of his classmate, then that is a reflection on the parenting skills, not the video game industry, the media, poor food choices, or any other lame excuse parents will find to make themselves feel better about themselves and their skills as a parent. If parents want to blame somebody for their children's behavior, they better start by standing infront of a mirror.