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Kid with icing on her face: I didn't eat the last cupcake. Billy did!
Parent of a convicted murderer: I didn't teach my son to be violent! ...despite the spankings. It was all videogames! ...even though we never could afford them. Immaturity just kind of blossoms in certain individuals.
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Anyways, people who don't play games, don't understand games. The reason we all "over-react"? because these are uneducated people trying to put ridiculous censorship on our hobby. Ever heard of a game called Baulder's Gate: Dark Alliance II? A game about decking out your character in various levels of bad-ass armor and going through dungeons hacking and killing everything? They censored the f*ck out of it before it came to retail. You know why? Because groups were protesting some of the games content. And why? Because the company who owns the rights to Baulder's Gate and the D&D franchise, Wizards of the Coast, also made some kids card games. Not because they actually saw what was in the game, which didn't even come close to the majority of what you see on TV, but because they didn't f*cking know anything and assumed the worst. This ended up not only ruining parts of one of my favourite franchises, it actually ended the entire thing, ruined sales and ultimately brought about the destruction of the amazing Black Isle Studios, and put huge publisher/developer, Interplay, in the hole. My point is this, if you don't know anything about games, you have no right to an opinion on this matter, because you have no f*cking clue what you're talking about. Period. |
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When I was little I used to get mad at games I'd throw a controller*I only did that maybe twice* or I'd play another game where I could beat the crap out of people but I never attacked someone for beating me.
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Not really blaming or anything, but maybe the overreacting is just feeding their worries.
I don't care if anyone bashes my hobbies. It's just silly. But it is true what Anarky said... Whether or not it is in a bad way has yet to be seen. It has changed people in good ways and bad. They've been doing research on this for many years, with people who DO know things about games and such. I actually did my college papers on the effects of television and video game violence in people. Of course, it depends on the mentality of the subject right off the bat, also. So it's really hard to say. However, no one ever needs to overreact on something like a game. It'll feed their fire.
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I would like to know, what is the "appropriate" reaction level to a documentary made with the apparent sole purpose of defaming an entire industry? One that involves a Senator, no less?
Honestly, football causes much more violence in the world. It's verifiable. Just ask the sports bar crowd. People actually die because of it, sometimes in the stands at the game. So why do we let little kids watch and play football?
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Well it's hard to "proove" anything, but there are some really good experiments that do show that video games lead to agression. The thing is, this is short-term agression, not a long term behavior change that would lead to violence. So yes it does lead to agression, but they aren't saying it leads to violence. |
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Iris, maybe you didn't notice...my comment was dripping with sarcasm. You might be able to tell by the fact that I have a 360 tag in my signature, with not so non-violent games. If I believed Jack Thompson, I'd be playing The Bible Game, for PS2, not Gears of War.
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Haha... yeah, actually I figured it was sarcasm, cuz it was you... I just responded anyway. Cuz I'm like that. *shrug*
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Just making sure. Anyway.
Jack Thompson is just angry he sucked at Mario Bros way back when. |
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Jealous, is he?
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Anarky, I wasn't basing my whole post around you. I knew you'd make that mistake, as usual. It was just the first part.
And yeah, my example had a lot more to do with pointing out how uneducated, ignorant, morons jump to conclusions over sh*t they don't understand. Not company politics. I'm also not going to argue with you about about this Tito guy. I'll just say he's one researcher and he just because he thinks one thing doesn't mean it's 100% indisputable fact. I think it's plainly obvious people think aggressively when playing a violent game, and it seems to me that's all he's saying. F*cking rocket science. Like I said, though, I'm not going to argue with you about it, I saw how childish you acted in that soul colour thread and I know there's no making you change your mind once it's been made. I really have no argument against violent video games having effects on people, because violent things effect people, pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain. What pisses me off about the whole thing is the lack of knowledge the people making these ridiculous "games are the devil" claims have. That's all. |
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Do you know the video games opponents stance on games? Or did you just read that your games were in trouble and start digging the trench for a defensive stand. Ive yet to read anything about these guys wanting to take games back to the age of pong. Let me guess, you did some research and found out what their credentials are and came to the conclusion that they are uneducated. Did they not play enough Halo hours to meet your requirements? But, your in luck. The game industry has weathered these storms before, and they will again in the future. Calm down, youll still be able to play whatever games appeal to you in the future, regardless of whether its like Nintendogs or Grand Theft Auto. No need to get your panties in a bunch over this issue. Period. |
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Okay, everyone, I think it's time to calm down and not jump on each other's throats. Yes, I am looking at everyone. Of course, you might have been calm while writing your posts, but they didn't come across that way. Jack Thompson could argue "See this section. They're all on the edge of killing each other. Videogames are evil!" and he'd stand on pretty firm ground.
Anyways, calling videogames the devil is plain idiotic. I think there are better ways to kill time, but each to his own. But both sides' claims are flawed, be it even only a little. Videogames do make you more agressive, but it's far from a point where you let your surroundings feel it. They're not made by Satan and/or his little wizards. However I can agree with the people in the trailer to the extent that I think schoolshootings and spree killings are bad and effort should be made to prevent them. But videogames are not the disease, they're a symptom at best. I generally think both sides in this argument should simmer down a bit and actually sit on one table. If Jack Thompson weren't a raging lunatic and gamers weren't mostly a bunch of raging, cellar-dwelling loners, then I bet Jack Thompson would be up for a round of Mario Kart. The gamers could teach him, since I doubt he knows how it works. And when that happens, both sides could actually talk about stuff without starting to rage around and stereotype and make idiotic claims (yes, both sides do that).
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Being upset and being rude and ranting around are two different things. If both sides, yes, Jack Thompson, I'm talking to you, would even show the slightest will to discuss this in an orderly fashion without constantly insulting and/or suing someone or something, this discussion would be much nicer. I'm not telling you to not get upset, but people are more likely to listen when they don't have the feeling they're talking to a pitbull on steroids.
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Where do you get off telling Jack Thompson what he should and shouldnt get upset about? You and him probably have more in common than you think and would make good friends. You could play a game to see who comes up with the fastest knee jerk response to various topics. |
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Also, do you even know who Jack Thompson is?
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Jack Thompson is Bizarro-Peanut.
But, Uncle, please don't do that. Don't insult people like that, because you know what's going to happen. But what I must say, I see certain similarities between the gamers' way of argumenting and those you refer to as "religious extremists". Both groups consist of raging lunatics with anger issues. I mean, good ol' Jack is his own antithesis in this way. "Videogames make people agressive... I'M GOING TO SUE YOU, PUNK!!! WWWAAAAGH!!!" It's also funny to see the gamers react. "Man this Jack Thompson's such a lunatic... THEY'RE ALL IDIOTS AND THEY SHOULD BE REMOVED FROM THIS EARTH!!! WAAAAARGGH!!!"
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I don't think anyone dislikes Thompson for hating video games. It's him publicly insulting and making blind assumptions about an entire community that has most people ticked off.
This isn't rocket science here.
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