33 Confirmed Killed in Shooting at VA Tech - Page 7

bullet · 04-18-2007, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Katie

The guy didn't discriminate. He killed Black guys and white guys...asians and people of middle eastern decent...a Puerto Rican and a Mexican...an Indonesian kid, an Indian kid...Guys... girls...young and old...no one was spared.

What really got me was how they were talking about how he hated rich kids so much....but seeing the house he grew up in and where he was at college, I'd wager his family was not struggling too hard financially. Kind of a hypocrite, really.

He said he did it for his brother and sister. Wonder what they think about that.

yeah he didn't. i mean i wasn't referring to the ethnicity of the person he killed...but the fact that the professor was such an amazing person cuz he blocked the door physically and told his students to run. that's a real life hero right there.

*Cascadia* · 04-18-2007, 11:15 PM

It is very sad but awesome at the same time. He sacrificed his own life for his students. That was very noble of him. When Columbine occurred, the only adult to be shot was a teacher. He too was protecting his students in his classroom. As a future teacher, I will not discriminate my students...each of them are different in their own ways.

*Katie* · 04-19-2007, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by bullet

yeah he didn't. i mean i wasn't referring to the ethnicity of the person he killed...but the fact that the professor was such an amazing person cuz he blocked the door physically and told his students to run. that's a real life hero right there.

Oh, i know. All the different ethnicities was just an observation of mine.

on the Holocaust survivor, his family was saying something to the effect that God spared him from that fate so that he could be here in the moment he could make a diffrence to so many. amazing really.

*Tinuvielsdreams* · 04-19-2007, 08:38 AM

The stories the news keep adding are overwhelming. I heard one of the girls who attended that school happen to be at Colombine too?! If that is true I can't imagine the terror she is reliving.

You have to think about the killers family too, what must they think and what has this done to their lives...god this is terrible...

The guy didn't discriminate he just opened fire on everyone in the class rooms he was near. That professor was a hero, and I hope everyone remembers him.

Its so hard to explain all this...I have been dreading my classes because the kids who are all between 5- 9 yrs old have been asking me questions...they see the paper and ask me what stops someone from shooting in their school...This is all too disturbing...the ripples something like this makes reach even elementary school children. What do you say...

*Cascadia* · 04-19-2007, 10:21 AM

last night I got a handout on how to handle this situation with young students. It...I...We framework. It (What happened?) It is not necessary to process "why" at this point. I (How do I feel about it?) This may be personal journaling, pair processing, group discussion. We (What can we do?) The focus here is on taking some positive action, which may be as simple as additional discussion, or may be a more complex project of some sort.

Sunshine · 04-19-2007, 01:00 PM

Personally I wouldn't of agreed with how the school hadled it even if there HADN'T been another shooting. People where dead. I do not think classes should of been resumed that day at all. Everyone should of been alerted to what happened. You don't just go "several students were killed, now just go with your day"

Swany · 04-19-2007, 01:12 PM

I agree, someone messed up big time. What were they thinking.

I still can't beleive this though. How could someone do such a thing?

*Sewer Bull* · 04-19-2007, 01:16 PM

How about guns becoming less accessible?

愛 · 04-19-2007, 01:21 PM

The right to bear arms in the Constitution prevents stuff like that. However, we could pass regulations for gun ownership, such as requiring gun safes and things of that nature. That'd keep access to guns for children down.

*iris* · 04-19-2007, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sewer Bull

How about guns becoming less accessible?

Things like this happen in places where there are strict gun laws. If there's a will, there's a way. But you are right because Cho should not have been sold any guns with his record.

To be honest, I don't mind having an armed populace. I don't like the government to have all the weapons. That's why we have the 2nd ammendment.

Sunshine · 04-19-2007, 01:57 PM

Sadly anyone who is determined enough can find a way. Even without guns. If someone wants that badly to kill people they will find a way. But these days people tend to ignore warning signs more often then not. Still when things like this do happen how they are handled can make the difference in how bad the situation becomes. This is a good example. If they had reacted differently there may of been less loss of life. I still can't get over the fact that they just were going to go on with the day like nothing had happened. Several people died and it only stopped classes and things for 2 hours? To me that is like saying that those lives weren't worth stopping the classes for the day or alerting the students. If I attended that school I'd be furious. I'm sure a lot of the people who were sent off to classes two hours after the first shooting were friends of the dead or at least knew them. The students had the right to know that people were dead and that the one who killed them was not caught even if they believed the killer had left the grounds.

bullet · 04-19-2007, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Sunshine

Personally I wouldn't of agreed with how the school hadled it even if there HADN'T been another shooting. People where dead. I do not think classes should of been resumed that day at all. Everyone should of been alerted to what happened. You don't just go "several students were killed, now just go with your day"

well i think that's a bit extreme.

i mean of a school with over 20 thousand people it's not that easy to cancel everyone's schedules at the drop of a hat. we've had on more than one occasion people who shot themselves in their dorms and school went on as usual for us. we also had people shot dead near the university central just outside of campus but school still went on. sure we received warnings about the incident and the number of patrols suddenly rose...but we didn't all just pack up and go home. they could've been more cautious but as i mentioned, i don't really think it's at all possible to prevent something like this from occuring, some people are so determined that they'll make it happen either way.

**Jester** · 04-19-2007, 03:00 PM

Ok, new tangent: The Saturday prior to the shootings at Virgina Tech SNL aired this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Zmjc4FJxk

I thought it was very funny...but in connections with recent events...what are your thoughts.

愛 · 04-19-2007, 03:10 PM

A kid shoots up a school, and suddenly guns aren't fun anymore? Too convenient.

bullet · 04-19-2007, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

Ok, new tangent: The Saturday prior to the shootings at Virgina Tech SNL aired this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Zmjc4FJxk

I thought it was very funny...but in connections with recent events...what are your thoughts.

haha...i found it hilarious...but don't see too much connection to the recent event.

**Jester** · 04-19-2007, 03:16 PM

True...both sides of the gun control issue are jumping up and down on this one. If people had guns they could have stoped him, if noone has guns, this wouldn't have happened. *shrugs* Why is it no one blames the killer, but instead blames the culture?

*Kunoichi_Haruko* · 04-19-2007, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

Ok, new tangent: The Saturday prior to the shootings at Virgina Tech SNL aired this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Zmjc4FJxk

I thought it was very funny...but in connections with recent events...what are your thoughts.

Honestly...I didn't get it. I read some of the comments and apparently it's a spoof of the OC, and since I don't watch that show, some of the humor goes over my head. That being said, I've always loved Imogen Heap's "Hide and Seek", and it's kinda funny how they use the song, but yeah, I guess I may have laughed a little more if 1) I got the OC reference and 2) The VT shootings never took place.

bullet · 04-19-2007, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Jester

Why is it no one blames the killer, but instead blames the culture?

cuz dude, he's dead...blaming him isn't going to get special interests across.

**Jester** · 04-19-2007, 03:34 PM

Oh, yeah right Brain...Narf!

Draconic · 04-19-2007, 04:18 PM

Eidt:
Nevermind, it's been said
/Edit

But I guess this is slightly off topic. It sucks what happened, it's just a good thing it ended when it did, and not any later.

04-18-2007, 11:15 PM	#122
Cascadia Oregonian in heart & soul Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,731	It is very sad but awesome at the same time. He sacrificed his own life for his students. That was very noble of him. When Columbine occurred, the only adult to be shot was a teacher. He too was protecting his students in his classroom. As a future teacher, I will not discriminate my students...each of them are different in their own ways. __________________ Formally known as Scientific freak

04-19-2007, 10:21 AM	#125
Cascadia Oregonian in heart & soul Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 3,731	last night I got a handout on how to handle this situation with young students. It...I...We framework. It (What happened?) It is not necessary to process "why" at this point. I (How do I feel about it?) This may be personal journaling, pair processing, group discussion. We (What can we do?) The focus here is on taking some positive action, which may be as simple as additional discussion, or may be a more complex project of some sort. __________________ Formally known as Scientific freak

04-19-2007, 01:00 PM	#126
Sunshine Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: A nice little spot in the gutter where I keep my mind Posts: 1,437	Personally I wouldn't of agreed with how the school hadled it even if there HADN'T been another shooting. People where dead. I do not think classes should of been resumed that day at all. Everyone should of been alerted to what happened. You don't just go "several students were killed, now just go with your day" __________________

04-19-2007, 01:12 PM	#127
Swany Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Near Glasgow. Scotland Posts: 924	I agree, someone messed up big time. What were they thinking. I still can't beleive this though. How could someone do such a thing? __________________

04-19-2007, 01:16 PM	#128
Sewer Bull Devil's Advocate Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 4,768	How about guns becoming less accessible? __________________ Soooo... THIS* is how you spend your free time now?!*

04-19-2007, 08:38 AM	#124
Tinuvielsdreams Nothing without passion Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,722	The stories the news keep adding are overwhelming. I heard one of the girls who attended that school happen to be at Colombine too?! If that is true I can't imagine the terror she is reliving. You have to think about the killers family too, what must they think and what has this done to their lives...god this is terrible... The guy didn't discriminate he just opened fire on everyone in the class rooms he was near. That professor was a hero, and I hope everyone remembers him. Its so hard to explain all this...I have been dreading my classes because the kids who are all between 5- 9 yrs old have been asking me questions...they see the paper and ask me what stops someone from shooting in their school...This is all too disturbing...the ripples something like this makes reach even elementary school children. What do you say...

04-19-2007, 01:21 PM	#129
愛 Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 7,449	The right to bear arms in the Constitution prevents stuff like that. However, we could pass regulations for gun ownership, such as requiring gun safes and things of that nature. That'd keep access to guns for children down.

04-19-2007, 01:57 PM	#131
Sunshine Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: A nice little spot in the gutter where I keep my mind Posts: 1,437	Sadly anyone who is determined enough can find a way. Even without guns. If someone wants that badly to kill people they will find a way. But these days people tend to ignore warning signs more often then not. Still when things like this do happen how they are handled can make the difference in how bad the situation becomes. This is a good example. If they had reacted differently there may of been less loss of life. I still can't get over the fact that they just were going to go on with the day like nothing had happened. Several people died and it only stopped classes and things for 2 hours? To me that is like saying that those lives weren't worth stopping the classes for the day or alerting the students. If I attended that school I'd be furious. I'm sure a lot of the people who were sent off to classes two hours after the first shooting were friends of the dead or at least knew them. The students had the right to know that people were dead and that the one who killed them was not caught even if they believed the killer had left the grounds. __________________

04-19-2007, 03:00 PM	#133
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,301	Ok, new tangent: The Saturday prior to the shootings at Virgina Tech SNL aired this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k1Zmjc4FJxk I thought it was very funny...but in connections with recent events...what are your thoughts. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

04-19-2007, 03:10 PM	#134
愛 Super Moderator Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 7,449	A kid shoots up a school, and suddenly guns aren't fun anymore? Too convenient.

04-19-2007, 03:16 PM	#136
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,301	True...both sides of the gun control issue are jumping up and down on this one. If people had guns they could have stoped him, if noone has guns, this wouldn't have happened. shrugs Why is it no one blames the killer, but instead blames the culture? __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

04-19-2007, 03:34 PM	#139
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,301	Oh, yeah right Brain...Narf! __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

04-19-2007, 04:18 PM	#140
Draconic Hench Mutant Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Midwest Posts: 328	Eidt: Nevermind, it's been said /Edit But I guess this is slightly off topic. It sucks what happened, it's just a good thing it ended when it did, and not any later. __________________ [CENTER] Last edited by Draconic; 04-19-2007 at 04:23 PM.