Spider-Man 3 - UK-Exclusive DVD on Page 37

[ZariusTwo]

Spoiler:

Spidy III was spectacular. The drama contributed more than the action to the deeper storylines unfolding for all the characters, and the action worked within the developments. Emo Spidy against the superbly tragic Sandman was a great scene, as was Peter boasting that he had "killed him" and surpried by May's slightly aroused, but not overly concerned reaction.

Venom was'nt used as much as I thought, which I thought was superb. Venom is a peice of s*it, an overrated gimmick character with a one-dimensional role to play. He was used here as a manipulator, an unsure, insecure, overexaggerative and suicidal Brock behind the coustume made the transformation all the sweeter. A comedy character who becomes the most crucial part of the story, the overlooked becomes the greatest threat, that is true comic art and a much better development of Brock than anything done with him pre or post-Jenkins

Here's hoping the fourth film explores Jameson a lot better, after implying tons of things at the conclusion of Spider-Man II, Jameson did NOTHING to repremand Pete for taking away his son's bride-to-be. They dropped that part entirely, and one can only hope the inclusion of Venom did'nt force them to drop the ball. Spider-Slayers would work perfectly in the fourth, as well as Venom reappearing (he obviously survives the explosion, probably the most cliched death in comic based films besides falling to death).

With Harry's emotional, compelling, and excellently paced arc closed out, we may see more develop between Peter and MJ, their relationship left ambigious as to whenever or not Harry succeded in permanently damaging it. And Gwen being kept alive does provide more on-screen moments for what proved to be a very sweet character. Her role was overexaggerated a lot though from the glorified cameos they were. But as far as prescense goes, she did her job producing the subtle moments needed to introduce conflict between Peter and MJ, who was given a lot more screen time than usual, and carried half the film besides Peter, Harry and Sandman.

The Symbiote portions of the film were handled well, and given I have more respect for the symbiote story than Venom, loved the slow corruption of Peter wearing it. The Jazz Club scene is solid comedic and tragic circumstance unfolding before the audience, as Pete uses and abuses Gwen and MJ.

Solid, compelling, and a fairly downbeat film.

[Cure]

Oh yeah. The only tiny complaint I have is........

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Venom didn't speak as if he were two people. You know, "We are Venom" and whatnot.

[Raph's Girl]

I found Spidey 3 to be good but not the best of the films. Peter's emo habbits were odd...especially his dancing...

Some thoughts:

1: Why was Gwen Stacy even in the movie??? She barely had any scenes. Prof. Conners had more scenes than her. I think Peter said it best when he described her as "Just a girl..."

2: Stan Lee's scene was really awkward.

3: Venom's mouth movements were rather cartoonish.

4: I found Venom's origin to be short yet realistic.

5: I found Sandman to be a likeable character. Not really a villian. Just a man who wants to help his sick daughter. Sure he

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accidentally killed Uncl Ben. But hey... Peter forgives him.

6: I felt Harry Osborn's storyline ended rather well

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albeit tragically. Still he was a hero in the end.

Oh and Peter's emo hair reminded me of Garth Brooks' alter ego, Chris Gaines.

[gobo]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Venom is a peice of s*it, an overrated gimmick character with a one-dimensional role to play.

The same could be said about Doomsday. That's Superman's killer, BTW (for anyone living under a rock).

[ZariusTwo]

I agree about Doomsday also. Though Jurgens developed the heck out of him in later apperances, the guy has followed Bane into the "used marketing tools" box

They sustained Venom with things like the "Desserted Island" (one of the best Venom storylines), and Carnage's inclusion, then Jenkins did wonders with him, but not everything about him as been as great as people think.

[Peanut]

People just like Venom because he's cool! His design is attractive, and he's just a fun character. Is there something wrong with that? I don't see how there could be.

[BigApple3AM]

Since the movie is now out, can we just have the spoiler tags turn off and put in the heading "spoilers here"? It's just rather annoying clicking each post, maybe that's just me though.

Anyway I thought the film was great, not as good as 1 or 2. Then again I liked the first one more than 2. This one was extra cheesy though, some really stiff acting and dialogue in certain parts of the film. And maybe some concepts that just didn't fit properly.

Though I must say Raimi's kids were bad actors. "This is wicked cool" as if he was watching paint dry. Though his girl did a good job with the JJJ scene.

[Voltron]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

I agree about Doomsday also. Though Jurgens developed the heck out of him in later apperances, the guy has followed Bane into the "used marketing tools" box

They sustained Venom with things like the "Desserted Island" (one of the best Venom storylines), and Carnage's inclusion, then Jenkins did wonders with him, but not everything about him as been as great as people think.

I've been saying the same thing about Sandman for years. They've been sustaining him with storylines such as "I'm made of sand," which worked well. . . I mean, it made the character make sense.

[Spitfire]

I could list everything I disliked about the movie and go on for a long time. Instead I'll just say I didn't like it.

Luckily I went in expecting it to disappoint me and when you go in with that attitude you can never be TO let down. But parts of it still pissed me off with how badly they handled certain things.

Michi your sig is not only really funny to me but totally accurate.

[Raven]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Spoiler:

Spidy III was spectacular. The drama contributed more than the action to the deeper storylines unfolding for all the characters, and the action worked within the developments. Emo Spidy against the superbly tragic Sandman was a great scene, as was Peter boasting that he had "killed him" and surpried by May's slightly aroused, but not overly concerned reaction.

Venom was'nt used as much as I thought, which I thought was superb. Venom is a peice of s*it, an overrated gimmick character with a one-dimensional role to play. He was used here as a manipulator, an unsure, insecure, overexaggerative and suicidal Brock behind the coustume made the transformation all the sweeter. A comedy character who becomes the most crucial part of the story, the overlooked becomes the greatest threat, that is true comic art and a much better development of Brock than anything done with him pre or post-Jenkins

Here's hoping the fourth film explores Jameson a lot better, after implying tons of things at the conclusion of Spider-Man II, Jameson did NOTHING to repremand Pete for taking away his son's bride-to-be. They dropped that part entirely, and one can only hope the inclusion of Venom did'nt force them to drop the ball. Spider-Slayers would work perfectly in the fourth, as well as Venom reappearing (he obviously survives the explosion, probably the most cliched death in comic based films besides falling to death).

With Harry's emotional, compelling, and excellently paced arc closed out, we may see more develop between Peter and MJ, their relationship left ambigious as to whenever or not Harry succeded in permanently damaging it. And Gwen being kept alive does provide more on-screen moments for what proved to be a very sweet character. Her role was overexaggerated a lot though from the glorified cameos they were. But as far as prescense goes, she did her job producing the subtle moments needed to introduce conflict between Peter and MJ, who was given a lot more screen time than usual, and carried half the film besides Peter, Harry and Sandman.

The Symbiote portions of the film were handled well, and given I have more respect for the symbiote story than Venom, loved the slow corruption of Peter wearing it. The Jazz Club scene is solid comedic and tragic circumstance unfolding before the audience, as Pete uses and abuses Gwen and MJ.

Solid, compelling, and a fairly downbeat film.

this is pretty much how I feel about the film also, my only complaint is that I wish it could of been split into two films but other wise really good film.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Voltron

I've been saying the same thing about Sandman for years. They've been sustaining him with storylines such as "I'm made of sand," which worked well. . . I mean, it made the character make sense.

Spoiler:

Actually, they sustained him by making his character vulnerable and redeemed him, putting him with an extended "family" that he looked after, then got booted from when his past was uncovered, then (irony) Venom took a bite out of him and he had a story revolving around him falling apart and eventually becoming very psychotic.

VOLTRON-I felt this post gave a bit of the story away. I added some spoiler tags.

[Jo Dawn]

My brother saw it and loved it. I've yet to see it... But he says it's good, though I've never liked the Venom character...

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Peanut

People just like Venom because he's cool! His design is attractive, and he's just a fun character. Is there something wrong with that? I don't see how there could be.

Nothing wrong with that, it's just he adds nothing to the story, and if you look at the interviews Raimi has given, the insistence of Venom's inclusion played havoc with the storylines he wanted to tell, storylines that had to be held back from full exploration because of how many characters they had to put into the script.

It's a miracle Raimi made them work, at least for some, but Venom is partially to blame for the 50/50 reaction this film has gotten because some fans were dissapointed with how he was represented in contrast to the millions of Lee/Dikto/Romita purisits who relished the focus on Harry, Sandman, and MJ. It was Raimi sticking two fingers up at Avrad and the prescense of studio interference for a quick buck.

By centering the story on the Alien Symbiote, they were able to tell those storylines very carefully and without tripping on any of them (the team-up between the villains is debatable), and gave the five year olds their favourate action figure for about fifteen minutes whilst the substance and arcs were all dealt with

[Revan]

Just got back from the theatres and I have to say, 3 is the best of the trilogy by a mile. Loved the story and action.

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I loved watching Venom in action. The symbiote really looked powerful, I could see how strong it made peter. I think including venom in the movie was a good move because he is such a fun character. Not all movie-goers know the facts of the spider-man series so putting venom in the movie is a good way to generate interest.

[Mr. Stay Puft]

Spoiler:

I didn't really like how Venom was handled. If anything, the symbiote story should have played out in this one and set up for Venom in the next movie. This movie just felt like too much was trying to be crammed into it. When you have more than one main villain, it can often become a mess, as was shown in the Batman movies.

One thing that bugs me is that all of the Spider-Man movies follow the same formula: Spidey fights common thugs. New character is introduced and promptly become a victim of a scientific mishap and becomes extremely powerful. JJJ wants pictures. Peter and MJ have relationship problems. MJ gets kidnapped. Big showdown. Main villain dies. Peter and MJ reconcile. Roll credits.

[Voltron]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Nothing wrong with that, it's just he adds nothing to the story, and if you look at the interviews Raimi has given, the insistence of Venom's inclusion played havoc with the storylines he wanted to tell, storylines that had to be held back from full exploration because of how many characters they had to put into the script.

It's a miracle Raimi made them work, at least for some, but Venom is partially to blame for the 50/50 reaction this film has gotten because some fans were dissapointed with how he was represented in contrast to the millions of Lee/Dikto/Romita purisits who relished the focus on Harry, Sandman, and MJ. It was Raimi sticking two fingers up at Avrad and the prescense of studio interference for a quick buck.

By centering the story on the Alien Symbiote, they were able to tell those storylines very carefully and without tripping on any of them (the team-up between the villains is debatable), and gave the five year olds their favourate action figure for about fifteen minutes whilst the substance and arcs were all dealt with

Spoiler:

In all fairness, Venom isn't that much of a two-dimensional character. In fact, I'd venture the opinion that he has a very complex identity. There are a lot of angles you could use when approaching him in a film. The issue of suicide, the duel personality and relationship between he and the symbiote, the consequent struggle between justice and revenge that occurs in him. The idea that Venom is the anti-Spider Man, a lethal protector who straddles the line of good and evil would have made for a very compelling storyline. If Raimi felt that Venom held the story back, then I have to assume that he was biased against Venom in general.

I appreciate what he did with the other villains. Maintaining the canon with Harry but changing it was a stroke of genius. His retelling of Sand Man did make for a deeper character. I also feel the portrayal of the Venom was appropriate, acceptable, good even. I just believe that, in the grand scheme of things, (if what you say is true) that he just forced that portion of the movie in some bout of spite.

Hypothetically, if the writers had taken Sand Man out and left all that time to Brock and Venom, then this wouldn't be any real issue. Not that Sand Man was all that bad to watch; it's just that I always felt Venom had so much more to offer a plot.

I like Mikey's-in-tha-hizouse's appraisal of the plots. I agree whole-heartedly with that. I still liked Venom, though.

Also, let's stick to spoiler tags, please.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Voltron

Spoiler:

In all fairness, Venom isn't that much of a two-dimensional character. In fact, I'd venture the opinion that he has a very complex identity. There are a lot of angles you could use when approaching him in a film. The issue of suicide, the duel personality and relationship between he and the symbiote, the consequent struggle between justice and revenge that occurs in him. The idea that Venom is the anti-Spider Man, a lethal protector who straddles the line of good and evil would have made for a very compelling storyline.

Spoiler:

Except Marvel already have a similar character: The Punisher, and he BEGAN as a Spider-Man villain. Venom is much better off as Pete's psychotic stalker.

[Jester]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Spoiler:

Except Marvel already have a similar character: The Punisher, and he BEGAN as a Spider-Man villain. Venom is much better off as Pete's psychotic stalker.

So Venom is a psycho Spidey fan boy?

[Roseangelo]

Saw it... really wasn't overly impressed. I think I laughed at a lot of things that weren't supposed to be funny (and I think the kid sitting next to me was giving me funny looks because of it).

But still, it was a good, enjoyable romp that had some very nice moments.

[Peanut]

I just got back from it and thought it was awesome. Could have done without Venom, but he was a nice bonus. This one really got to me emotionally, though. They had some really great stuff in there, unfortunately a lot of it was ruined by some punk 13 year-olds who did nothing but yell "Kiss him!" whenever something got emotional. I hate f*cking tweens.