Machias' Punishment (split from FF.net restrictions) - Page 294

*kyabetsu* · 10-16-2002, 10:34 PM

Rapheal had been thinking about this all day.

R: NO MIKE. don't you EVEN think this has ANYTHING to do with KALI. MY problem is with the Lizard. You know why everybody thinks I hate her?!

Because I hate the **** she pulls and I"ve NEVER been TOO shy (looks at Donnie) or TOO busy lookin' at her build (looks at Mike) to SAY SO. I took her for what she was and you know what? I figured out pretty damn quick that she's not so great. She's a liar and an unthinking rish taker... FINE!!

everybody does **** they regret, but so help me god If I've EVER seen her "Regret" something for longer than the span of her punishment.

(his tone changes as he addresses Splinter, It's angry, but pleading)

She hurts you guys over and over and evrytime I say... "watch it, there she goes again," I"M THE BAD GUY. I have always respected that your trust is hard to earn and harder to hold onto. GOD only knows I've had it and Lost it more often than I can count. But she walks in and takes your trust and wipes her ass with it and you hand her more and more like she's got somekinda gold-plated **** or something.

Master, Mike, Don... why does she get that much more credit. Why am I the only villian here? Am I the only one who sees that she doesn't deserve this family?

*terran631* · 10-16-2002, 10:38 PM

*Don is silent and looks away. That would take a whole lot of thinking on*

**Machias Banshee** · 10-16-2002, 10:41 PM

*Mike blushed looking down. so it had finally been said. She didnt deserve to be in the family...*

*terran631* · 10-16-2002, 10:55 PM

SP: *looks down collecting his thoughts and takes a deep breath* Raphael, I am not going to tell you that you are wrong. Machias has broken my trust and the trust of this family more times than I care to remember. The question of why I keep giving her chance after chance is very simple---it is what a parent does. I have watched you, My Son, since the time you were old enough to walk, go your own way--and not giving a second thought to anything but yourself. And whether things work out or they blow up on you, I give you another chance. *takes a step closer to Raphael* I have raised you from a child Raphael. You have grown up under my guidance and sometimes strict discipline. Machias has not. I am trying to give her time, and the chance to grow as you did.

*kyabetsu* · 10-16-2002, 10:57 PM

(((so sorry for the delay, but the Current splinter brain and the current Raph brain were discussing the thread and I think it's not only applicable, but I wonder what your thoughts are on it... so I'm Minkuscat and Terran is herself.

Raph Vs. Machias Discuss.))))

Quote:

minkuscat: well... are you gonna knock him out?
minkuscat: he's always HONEST...
Terran631: heh...no...
minkuscat: he's an ass, but an honest little butt-monkey none-the-less...
Terran631: yes he's honest. Gonna try to reason with him...for all the good it will do me.
Terran631: he's made a good point
minkuscat: better not have any fortune cookie **** in it
Terran631: heh...no. I talk straight forward
minkuscat: cause he'll spit on it and leave if you do that
Terran631: I try not to answer questions with confusing questions
minkuscat: thank you.... (about the good point... I've been trying to figure it out all day. he can't just be her Leonardo.)
Terran631: what do yo mean?
Terran631: *you
minkuscat: what machias said earlier about him riding on her and her screw ups like Leo does him...
minkuscat: Leo loves his brother. would give him a kidney no big questions asked
Terran631: its different because...and I tried to have Leo explain this to Kameko---machias and kameko get away with a lot more than any of the guys ever would
minkuscat: i don't think Raph even WANTS to love her like a sister
Terran631: no....after all this....I dont think so either
minkuscat: he doesn't respect her judgement enough to be her friend even
minkuscat: but he's been trying
minkuscat: in that bull-headed Rapheal way
Terran631: heh heh
minkuscat: to figure out what his lil'bro and Sensei see in this girl
minkuscat: and everytime they push him away
minkuscat: tell him he doesn't measure up to HER
minkuscat: it just makes him madder
Terran631: no wonder he hates her
minkuscat: and more frustrated
minkuscat: yeah. that's why I"D hate her if i were in his shell.
minkuscat: the guys... Raph gets pissed with Leo... but there's an understanding that Raph is being measured against something of QUALITY... Leo in this case
minkuscat: he's ok with that.
minkuscat: in that angry/angsty Rapheal kinda way
Terran631: yeah...but I dont remember Raph ever getting measured up against Machias
minkuscat: every time Mike sides with Machias over Raph or Splinter lets her get away with stuff that Raph never would have....
minkuscat: she gets special treatment that you just don't rate.
Terran631: Not sure what to do with her....can;t throw her out....ah well, I'll think of something I guess
minkuscat: would you mind if I posted this conversation... there's some pretty good points in here. and as soon as I turn off my computer tonight their gonna be gone and I'll love to hear Machias/Mike/ VEspera/ Kameko/ etc's take on this.
Terran631: no go ahead

**Machias Banshee** · 10-16-2002, 10:57 PM

*Mike let out a breath, seeing that Splinter wasnt going to let something like that happen to his girl.*

mike: At least you didnt almost die several times over, or lose yourself to something that isnt even a part of you...she's had a rough life...dont make it harder on her.

*terran631* · 10-16-2002, 11:01 PM

SP: Michaelangelo, I am through taking excuses from her or from you for her. WE have all had a hard life and we have all nearly died as well. I will not accept that from any of you...and not from her.

((No, i still love you *hugs* It'll all work out....somehow

)

**Machias Banshee** · 10-16-2002, 11:03 PM

Mike: *looks down* Fine...go ahead, yell at her, disown her, beat her unconscious, do whatever you want...I'll be in my room...*turns towards the door*

*terran631* · 10-16-2002, 11:05 PM

SP: *sternly* Michaelangelo!

*kyabetsu* · 10-16-2002, 11:06 PM

Rapheal was willing to give Splinter's answer some consideration. It kinda was what he'd told Machias earlier about her acting like a 3yr old. Raph nodded to Splinter. Seeing that his Sensei understood that it wasn't surrender, but a pause to re-evalutate the battle field, he turned to leave the room.

R(internal) heh. Even Master Splinter thinks she needs to grow the hell up.

Raph was not nearly as ready to grant her the Pity that his bleeding-heart brother wanted from him. He elbowed past Mike on his way out of the lair.

R: Shut up, Cheese-Dick....

**Machias Banshee** · 10-16-2002, 11:07 PM

*Mike stopped, not turning around.*
Mike; Well, what else can you do?! She doesnt feel sorry for what she's done, she never feels regret, and she treats you like a piece of dirt...what would a TRUE Clan Master do?

*terran631* · 10-16-2002, 11:08 PM

SP: *equally as sternly* Raphael!

**Machias Banshee** · 10-16-2002, 11:09 PM

*MIke turned partially, knowing they were all in deep. Splinter's patience had been snapped, and no one would be able to weasel themselves out of trouble...*

*terran631* · 10-16-2002, 11:12 PM

SP: *harshly* Both of you come here, now! *slams a spot down in front of him with his cane*

*heretic888* · 10-16-2002, 11:13 PM

(.............)

**Machias Banshee** · 10-16-2002, 11:14 PM

*Mike flinches, knowing tht there was no turnign back, and he slowly returned to hsi spot, not looking into Splinter's face, fearful of what he'd see...*

*kyabetsu* · 10-16-2002, 11:14 PM

Rapheal didn't even hestitate. He just kept walkin. He felt better than he had in monthes. He talked to his Sensei and Splinter LISTENED to him. Didn't punish him... (an eerie silence had descended on the lair)

R: ... ****....

He turns around and re-enters the infirmary. it didn't matter though. Splinter agreed with him about SOMETHING... not everything, but he wasn't alone in his own family any more.

R; (internal) bring it on....

*terran631* · 10-16-2002, 11:26 PM

DOn: *concentrates on the far wall suddenly glad that he was single*

SP: *places his cane underneath Mike's chin and forces him to look into his eyes. Begins very slowly and spoke in a low harsh voice* If you wish to see someone beaten unconscious then I would suggest you try speaking to me again as you just did. I give all of you every opportunity to speak your mind, but I am still the Sensei and I am a TRUE CLAN MASTER. I understand you are hurting but I expect a certain amount of respect from you. And do not presume to know what is in my mind, My Son. You wished to go to your room....go. And do not come out until I tell you otherwise.

**Machias Banshee** · 10-16-2002, 11:30 PM

*MIke didnt move, he couldnt. He looked straight into his Sensei's eyes, seeing his anger glowing like a fire. He didnt want to push him any further, for worry of the outcome.*

*He nods* Hai, Sensei...

*terran631* · 10-16-2002, 11:38 PM

SP: *turns to Raphael* And you...I should think for all of your talk recently about family that you would be a bit more sympathetic towards your brother.
Michaelangelo is not responisble for the difficulties with Machias. His only crime is being in love. If Kali were being attacked whether justified or not, would you not rush to her defense? Your brother is hurting, Raphael. If you are not going to help him, then do not hurt him any further. Understood?

10-16-2002, 10:41 PM	#5863
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	Wonder what Splinter thinks... Mike blushed looking down. so it had finally been said. She didnt deserve to be in the family...

10-16-2002, 10:57 PM	#5866
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	Man, make a girl feel like .... Mike let out a breath, seeing that Splinter wasnt going to let something like that happen to his girl. mike: At least you didnt almost die several times over, or lose yourself to something that isnt even a part of you...she's had a rough life...dont make it harder on her.

10-16-2002, 11:03 PM	#5868
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	I dont share tht feeling... Mike: looks down Fine...go ahead, yell at her, disown her, beat her unconscious, do whatever you want...I'll be in my room...turns towards the door

10-16-2002, 11:13 PM	#5875
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	...... (.............) __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

10-16-2002, 11:14 PM	#5876
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	Oh Geez...Oh Geez! Mike flinches, knowing tht there was no turnign back, and he slowly returned to hsi spot, not looking into Splinter's face, fearful of what he'd see...

10-16-2002, 10:34 PM	#5861
kyabetsu Foot Elite Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: under my hat Posts: 4,393	Rapheal had been thinking about this all day. R: NO MIKE. don't you EVEN think this has ANYTHING to do with KALI. MY problem is with the Lizard. You know why everybody thinks I hate her?! Because I hate the ** she pulls and I"ve NEVER been TOO shy (looks at Donnie) or TOO busy lookin' at her build (looks at Mike) to SAY SO. I took her for what she was and you know what? I figured out pretty damn quick that she's not so great. She's a liar and an unthinking rish taker... FINE!! everybody does they regret, but so help me god If I've EVER seen her "Regret" something for longer than the span of her punishment. (his tone changes as he addresses Splinter, It's angry, but pleading) She hurts you guys over and over and evrytime I say... "watch it, there she goes again," I"M THE BAD GUY. I have always respected that your trust is hard to earn and harder to hold onto. GOD only knows I've had it and Lost it more often than I can count. But she walks in and takes your trust and wipes her ass with it and you hand her more and more like she's got somekinda gold-plated ** or something. Master, Mike, Don... why does she get that much more credit. Why am I the only villian here? Am I the only one who sees that she doesn't deserve this family?

10-16-2002, 10:38 PM	#5862
terran631 The Defender of Splinter Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Third Rock from the Sun Posts: 3,948	Don is silent and looks away. That would take a whole lot of thinking on

10-16-2002, 10:55 PM	#5864
terran631 The Defender of Splinter Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Third Rock from the Sun Posts: 3,948	SP: looks down collecting his thoughts and takes a deep breath Raphael, I am not going to tell you that you are wrong. Machias has broken my trust and the trust of this family more times than I care to remember. The question of why I keep giving her chance after chance is very simple---it is what a parent does. I have watched you, My Son, since the time you were old enough to walk, go your own way--and not giving a second thought to anything but yourself. And whether things work out or they blow up on you, I give you another chance. takes a step closer to Raphael I have raised you from a child Raphael. You have grown up under my guidance and sometimes strict discipline. Machias has not. I am trying to give her time, and the chance to grow as you did.

10-16-2002, 11:01 PM	#5867
terran631 The Defender of Splinter Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Third Rock from the Sun Posts: 3,948	SP: Michaelangelo, I am through taking excuses from her or from you for her. WE have all had a hard life and we have all nearly died as well. I will not accept that from any of you...and not from her. ((No, i still love you hugs It'll all work out....somehow )

10-16-2002, 11:05 PM	#5869
terran631 The Defender of Splinter Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Third Rock from the Sun Posts: 3,948	SP: sternly Michaelangelo!

10-16-2002, 11:06 PM	#5870
kyabetsu Foot Elite Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: under my hat Posts: 4,393	Rapheal was willing to give Splinter's answer some consideration. It kinda was what he'd told Machias earlier about her acting like a 3yr old. Raph nodded to Splinter. Seeing that his Sensei understood that it wasn't surrender, but a pause to re-evalutate the battle field, he turned to leave the room. R(internal) heh. Even Master Splinter thinks she needs to grow the hell up. Raph was not nearly as ready to grant her the Pity that his bleeding-heart brother wanted from him. He elbowed past Mike on his way out of the lair. R: Shut up, Cheese-Dick....

10-16-2002, 11:07 PM	#5871
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	Mike stopped, not turning around. Mike; Well, what else can you do?! She doesnt feel sorry for what she's done, she never feels regret, and she treats you like a piece of dirt...what would a *TRUE Clan Master* do?

10-16-2002, 11:08 PM	#5872
terran631 The Defender of Splinter Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Third Rock from the Sun Posts: 3,948	SP: equally as sternly Raphael!

10-16-2002, 11:09 PM	#5873
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	MIke turned partially, knowing they were all in deep. Splinter's patience had been snapped, and no one would be able to weasel themselves out of trouble...

10-16-2002, 11:12 PM	#5874
terran631 The Defender of Splinter Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Third Rock from the Sun Posts: 3,948	SP: harshly Both of you come here, now! slams a spot down in front of him with his cane

10-16-2002, 11:14 PM	#5877
kyabetsu Foot Elite Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: under my hat Posts: 4,393	Rapheal didn't even hestitate. He just kept walkin. He felt better than he had in monthes. He talked to his Sensei and Splinter LISTENED to him. Didn't punish him... (an eerie silence had descended on the lair) R: ... ****.... He turns around and re-enters the infirmary. it didn't matter though. Splinter agreed with him about SOMETHING... not everything, but he wasn't alone in his own family any more. R; (internal) bring it on....

10-16-2002, 11:26 PM	#5878
terran631 The Defender of Splinter Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Third Rock from the Sun Posts: 3,948	DOn: concentrates on the far wall suddenly glad that he was single SP: places his cane underneath Mike's chin and forces him to look into his eyes. Begins very slowly and spoke in a low harsh voice If you wish to see someone beaten unconscious then I would suggest you try speaking to me again as you just did. I give all of you every opportunity to speak your mind, but I am still the Sensei and I am a TRUE CLAN MASTER. I understand you are hurting but I expect a certain amount of respect from you. And do not presume to know what is in my mind, My Son. You wished to go to your room....go. And do not come out until I tell you otherwise.

10-16-2002, 11:30 PM	#5879
Machias Banshee Super Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 17,163	gawd, i'm terrified.... MIke didnt move, he couldnt. He looked straight into his Sensei's eyes, seeing his anger glowing like a fire. He didnt want to push him any further, for worry of the outcome. He nods Hai, Sensei...

10-16-2002, 11:38 PM	#5880
terran631 The Defender of Splinter Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Third Rock from the Sun Posts: 3,948	SP: turns to Raphael And you...I should think for all of your talk recently about family that you would be a bit more sympathetic towards your brother. Michaelangelo is not responisble for the difficulties with Machias. His only crime is being in love. If Kali were being attacked whether justified or not, would you not rush to her defense? Your brother is hurting, Raphael. If you are not going to help him, then do not hurt him any further. Understood?