Comic Fans Who Annoy You

[cqb101]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

-So called "fans" who chastise their franchise's benefactor and his top artist out of "frustration" with storylines, but mostly out of petty jealously that he makes money and they dont.

Completely agreed.

Originally Posted by Mr._Mutant_Man

Are you referring to Spider-Man? Because if that's the case, I think Quesada gets crapped on by fans a little too much, but he does deserve criticism for the breaking up the marriage thing. I think blaming the quality of the stories or Spider-Man's appeal on the marriage is a huge cop out, and if he wanted them broken up so badly, he should have just stopped JMS from having them get back together 4 years ago, because that would have been easier to swallow than the mess Spider-Man fans have gotten over the last few months.

Other than that, I'm not sure who you're referring to, maybe I haven't been following current comics all that closely so I'll need it spelled out.

I agree. Quesada gets a lot more crap than he deserves. Marvel has been selling the best it's ever sold, thanks in part to Quesada. So what if we get a couple of "crappy" stories, I think it's worth it for a bigger exposure to comics.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Jester

I think TMNT was a good comic book movie, but that's another topic...seriously i started a topic on it.
TMNT was a good adaptation. It adapts several issues very well.

like what?

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

-So called "fans" who chastise their franchise's benefactor and his top artist out of "frustration" with storylines, but mostly out of petty jealously that he makes money and they dont.

Actually, I have a very good feeling what he's referring too. just look around, and you'll see what I mean. I admit, a couple of occasions I was guilty of that as well. Oops.

I despise the holier than thou indie comic fans that see you reading something like Batman and start talking about how it sucks just because its not indie. Most of the times I've seen this the people haven't even given it a chance. It's just as bad the other way around.

Feel the same way about people who listen to indie music, buy indie toys, watch indie movies. Most of them are just poseurs who think they're cool for pretending to think outside the box, because being a non-conformist and conforming to the non-conformists because it's at the moment at the moment. You can like both indie comics and mainstream comics at the same time. It's possible.

I also hate when people snarl at you for buying comic books based on cartoons. I mean, most comics I buy are just for the sake of collecting TV memorabilia.

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

like what?

Like that issue where the Foot Clan beats the crap out of a turtle (in the movie Raphael, in the comic Leonardo), and then breaks into April's apartment, destroying the place and causing the turtles to flee town.

It was also a good adaptation of the rather darker tone of the comics.

[Spike Spiegel]

Originally Posted by Spitfire666xXxXx

People who think comic movies are good because they like the series and don't take anything into account other then it's based off something they like.

The guy I mentioned earlier has watched basically every movie Marvel has made (though obviously not every comic) and believes that this alone makes him some sort of comic book scribe.

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Mr._Mutant_Man

Like that issue where the Foot Clan beats the crap out of a turtle (in the movie Raphael, in the comic Leonardo), and then breaks into April's apartment, destroying the place and causing the turtles to flee town.

It was also a good adaptation of the rather darker tone of the comics.

You're thinking of the first one, I thought he was refering to "TMNT" (the 2007 film). But yes the first film is a great comic adaption, it adapts many more issues than the one you just mentioned. TMNT however is not an adaption of any comic book at all, so I was wondering if he knew something I didn't.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

People who refuse to acknowledge when a series has gone downhill because they're such fanboys (or girls). Early Cerebus was a funny classic in the 1970's and 1980's, but by the 1990's the pretentions and Dave Sim's personal bitterness took over and made that comic unbearable. Peanuts pretty much ran its course by the 1980's and ended up repeating itself in the next two decades.

This obviously just doesn't apply to comic books of course.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by cqb101

I agree. Quesada gets a lot more crap than he deserves. Marvel has been selling the best it's ever sold, thanks in part to Quesada. So what if we get a couple of "crappy" stories, I think it's worth it for a bigger exposure to comics.

Quesada is a double-edged sword with me. He's perfect at marketing, has some of the best writers in the buisness working on heroes that have never had a good writer before, but his "events", with the exception of probably World War Hulk, are garbage and really make d*cks of every hero on the roster besides Captain America. Iron Man is only now being able to recover from his Cival War portrayal.

Sadly, what will kill his career is the fact he has never "got" Spider-Man, and has killed that character completly. He also came close to screwing up X-Men with the "Dissassembled" junk and retconning Grant Morrison's revelation that Xorn was Magneto

As for the marraige, Quesada is married himself and doesnt beleive in divorce, hence why he allowed them to get back together,
the way he destroyed the characters was in a manner so it could easily be retconned if he were convinced, and he also plugged Spider-Girl for fans frustrated, which he didnt have to do. He respects that Peter needs to be more mature and have children, but he just doesnt think it sells the 616 comics, and he's got a market diverse enough to afford risks

All the "reality-warping" lately has been his contiengency plan, he'll make tons of money for Marvel, but everything after "Dissassembled" doesnt neccerarily HAVE to be portrayed as THE canon, and when Joe leaves, I expect the whole arc with Wanda to be resolved and everything restored to normalacy, and that includes the marraige

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Originally Posted by Type 97 Chi-ha

People who refuse to acknowledge when a series has gone downhill because they're such fanboys (or girls). Early Cerebus was a funny classic in the 1970's and 1980's, but by the 1990's the pretentions and Dave Sim's personal bitterness took over and made that comic unbearable. Peanuts pretty much ran its course by the 1980's and ended up repeating itself in the next two decades.

Well I can understand some people being big enough fans of a character or series that they're willing to stick it out (my analogy of someone sticking with a sports team through the good and the bad). But there is a difference between remaining a fan, and focusing on the pluses a series may still have, and being closed minded about any criticism whatsoever.

How is Spider-Girl overall? I haven't read much past the first issues (I have the first trade).

[Jester]

Originally Posted by ToTheNines

You're thinking of the first one, I thought he was refering to "TMNT" (the 2007 film). But yes the first film is a great comic adaption, it adapts many more issues than the one you just mentioned. TMNT however is not an adaption of any comic book at all, so I was wondering if he knew something I didn't.

Yeah, I juist didn't feel like tyoing out "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" I guess I could have added a "1" so as to make it known that I meant the first live action TMNT film. It adapts Leo's one shot, Raph's one shot, Search for Splinter (a little).

[ToTheNines]

It also adapts:

Issue #1 (A little bit)
Issue #10 (which directly follows the Leo issue, so you basically covered this already)
Issue #11
Issues #19-21 "Return to New York"

All of these are adapted loosely but still, the movie told a great story overall.

[Jester]

Thanks Tothe9s, I knew there were more.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Mr._Mutant_Man

How is Spider-Girl overall? I haven't read much past the first issues (I have the first trade).

Excellent. Carnage makes a return and creates a new symbiote that attaches itself to Ben Jr, May is able to rid him of it, but the sonics she uses has a devastating effect on him. I wont spoil it, but it's "classic" Spidey tragedy.

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

-So called "fans" who chastise their franchise's benefactor and his top artist out of "frustration" with storylines, but mostly out of petty jealously that he makes money and they dont.

Wait...I think I get this now. Are you referring to volume 4 of Ninja Turtles? I've looked into it a little more now. I'm seven issues in...and I think it's been okay so far. I'll give vol. 4 this, it held my interest long enough so that I didn't stop reading it two issues in like the Image series.

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

People who dislike All-Star Batman. They dont get it and they never will.

I've enjoyed the series so far, but last week after skimming through the latest issue I didn't really have a desire to pick it up , even though I have issues 1-7 and therefore would be continuing a whole run on a comic. I think the joke might finally be starting to get old, and I want to start seeing the actual story pick up the pace. After you're done having a laugh about how crazy Batman is in this series, you realize it might be the most slowly paced comic ever.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Mr._Mutant_Man

Wait...I think I get this now. Are you referring to volume 4 of Ninja Turtles? I've looked into it a little more now. I'm seven issues in...and I think it's been okay so far. I'll give vol. 4 this, it held my interest long enough so that I didn't stop reading it two issues in like the Image series.

The storylines are great, but fans got pissed off with natural things like Splinter's death or startling shake-ups like April's origin (she had flatlined as a character for years), and the side-stories with each Turtle seperated...and if that wasnt enough, Laird wasnt going to let them push him around and he put them down, they they targeted him for his politics, which was a cowardly low blow.

All-Star's pace is quite similar to Volume Four, only without many side-stories

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

The storylines are great, but fans got pissed off with natural things like Splinter's death or startling shake-ups like April's origin (she had flatlined as a character for years), and the side-stories with each Turtle seperated...and if that wasnt enough, Laird wasnt going to let them push him around and he put them down, they they targeted him for his politics, which was a cowardly low blow.

All-Star's pace is quite similar to Volume Four, only without many side-stories

I liked Splinter's death. I could give two craps about Laird's political views my grips with Volume 4 are the artwork is horrid, as is anything Lawson does now of days, the storylines are to spread out and I don't feel like waiting 2 months to find out three pages of what happened to each turtle. I also don't approve of Laird incorporating crap from the TV series in the comic or him re-writing the past. Saying he hates Archie, which I can see why since it's better then most of the stuff he's done.

Laird let everyone push him around and then he ran away for months and no ones heard word one from him. My bets are he read this board like every other staff member seems to and got all butt hurt that people don't like his space alien robot invasion stories or the wild hair he got up his ass to change the entire history of the series. Which including re-inking everything in photoshop and making it look like ass.

He's trying to write Eastman out of everything it seems, that would be why he's re-writing the storyline and re-inking it. He's still a douche to me. The only thing he's done lately to get any sort of respect from me was turn down the awful baby turtle series idea. I wish he would have grown balls back before FF was made so that could have matched the tone of the rest of the series to, but that was to much to ask.

[Fugitoid Jones]

I liked Splinter's death. I could give two craps about Laird's political views my grips with Volume 4 are the artwork is horrid, as is anything Lawson does now of days, the storylines are to spread out and I don't feel like waiting 2 months to find out three pages of what happened to each turtle. I also don't approve of Laird incorporating crap from the TV series in the comic or him re-writing the past. Saying he hates Archie, which I can see why since it's better then most of the stuff he's done.

Laird let everyone push him around and then he ran away for months and no ones heard word one from him. My bets are he read this board like every other staff member seems to and got all butt hurt that people don't like his space alien robot invasion stories or the wild hair he got up his ass to change the entire history of the series. Which including re-inking everything in photoshop and making it look like ass.

He's trying to write Eastman out of everything it seems, that would be why he's re-writing the storyline and re-inking it. He's still a douche to me. The only thing he's done lately to get any sort of respect from me was turn down the awful baby turtle series idea. I wish he would have grown balls back before FF was made so that could have matched the tone of the rest of the series to, but that was to much to ask.

My thoughts exactly. While Splinter's death was a nice progression and interesting plot device, April's "origin" was a horrible hair-brained idea to attempt to make her character more interesting. And I'm sick of Peter Laird going back and changing everything about past issues. Did Kevin piss him off somehow and he's now getting revenge on him by re-doing things they did together?

[syd]

...= -||| He just reminded me of the me when I was a kid. And I miss thoes willful days when I could randomly say something like " Only comic book movie is official!! Comic go to hell!" or " Only shounen manga is kingcraft! Shoujo manga is bullsh*t!" ect. Lot of fun.

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

The storylines are great, but fans got pissed off with natural things like Splinter's death or startling shake-ups like April's origin (she had flatlined as a character for years), and the side-stories with each Turtle seperated...and if that wasnt enough, Laird wasnt going to let them push him around and he put them down, they they targeted him for his politics, which was a cowardly low blow.

All-Star's pace is quite similar to Volume Four, only without many side-stories

I'm seven issues in and I like the alien story so far. The April thing I've heard about, and it sounds kind of dumb. I thought the point of April was that she was the one normal one in the group.

IMO the pacing of TMNT is just slightly better, but in Batman it's not as noticeable, since the plot of Batman seems to be secondary to making everyone sound and act like this is "Batman on acid" or something.

I have to agree that picking on Laird about politics is pretty low. If you look into the ideas of other writers and artists you're going to find certain things you don't like or don't agree with. There are quite a few comic writers (and other authors too) who have talked about their personal philosophies and I find myself completely disagreeing. Well so what? You shouldn't let it stop you from enjoying what they create, because if you do there's going to be a lot of things you may find yourself not enjoying.

Wait, did you mean actual politics? Or the idea of "politics" as far as him dealing with people in the comics industry and dealing with Eastman and so on? In any case, I still think that when it comes to what artists/writers believe and the stories they tell, it's best to keep them separate.

[Jack Skellington]

there's the people who see you doing something related to tmnt and say it's a kid's cartoon from the 80's that was lame. and the person is wearing a hawkman shirt.the lamest dc character