Spider-Man's "Same Old S*it"..err.."Brand New Day"

[ZariusTwo]

All conversations on the worst idea yet for Spidey goes here.

Letters page:
A note from Steve Wacker. He mentions that this is the 2nd chapter is Spidey's life. He also says to look for Amazing #600 in July, 2009.

That's about as much as you need to know regarding how long this series of storylines is heading towards.

[Dr. Doom]

I just read about this whole thing and it's awful. Just ****ing terrible. Horrible, horrible decision making. I wasn't exactly reading Sipdey before hand, but now I'm gonna like go outta my way not to.

[ThirdMarioBro]

This is exactly why I stay the **** away from the comic book industry. It's a transitional business always looking to cater to a next generation that really isn't interested. Your stories are going fine for years upon years, then suddenly you open your mailbox to find a book that destroys who the hell knows how many years of entertainment and storytelling you've come to love (over twenty years in this case) and tells all the long-time readers to GTFO in favor of some new kids the book is shifting its focus for.

No thanks Marvel.

[Dr. Doom]

Well like, this is what Ultimate Spider-man is for. I just don't get it.

[GK Punk]

Originally Posted by ThirdMarioBro

This is exactly why I stay the **** away from the comic book industry. It's a transitional business always looking to cater to a next generation that really isn't interested. Your stories are going fine for years upon years, then suddenly you open your mailbox to find a book that destroys who the hell knows how many years of entertainment and storytelling you've come to love (over twenty years in this case) and tells all the long-time readers to GTFO in favor of some new kids the book is shifting its focus for.

No thanks Marvel.

I hate to be the one to say this, but that's BS. The comic industry HAS to change ever few years to keep going. If you keep telling the exact same story over and over again for 30+ years, No one would keep reading. Changing things is generally done out of necessity.

I'm the first to admit, I haven't enjoyed recent Spider-Man stories (starting with "the other") but to attack the entire comic industry because of a few lame stories done by someone on one book is just unfair.

Of course, I say this as it's looking likely that one of my favorite long running titles is coming to an end again, but ya know. that's how it goes.

[Brodie]

Originally Posted by ThirdMarioBro

This is exactly why I stay the **** away from the comic book industry.

Ands the videogame industry has only ever steered you in the right direction...

[Ra]

Originally Posted by Michi heavenly6

I hate to be the one to say this, but that's BS. The comic industry HAS to change ever few years to keep going. If you keep telling the exact same story over and over again for 30+ years, No one would keep reading. Changing things is generally done out of necessity.

Agreed. If you look at the history of comic books, you'll see how the industry has changed. Change is needed to move forward. Stories change throughout time since audiences don't want to lap up the same old thing over and over again. Drugs, for example, were not talked about in comics until the 70's. And I think around that time the first homosexual superhero came about.

The only traditional thing left now is the idea of a superhero: there when you need them, always saving the world, and a figure of power. And even that is changing. They are starting to become weak mentally...showing signs of strain and maybe a mental breakdown or two. Similar yet different to their representations in the 50's and 60's.

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Originally Posted by Ra

The only traditional thing left now is the idea of a superhero: there when you need them, always saving the world, and a figure of power. And even that is changing. They are starting to become weak mentally...showing signs of strain and maybe a mental breakdown or two. Similar yet different to their representations in the 50's and 60's.

I think making superhero stories darker is running the risk of getting old too though. I look back at Identity Crisis and while it was interesting, sometimes I wonder if it was really necessary. I wouldn't mind some more old school superhero storytelling either.

This Spider-Man thing is really dumb, though. In order to get to this supposedly "more accessible" point, they had to tell a really bad story that kind of takes a lot from the Spider-Man character. I mean, what kind of superhero would make a deal with Mephisto? Doesn't seem very heroic.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Michi heavenly6

I hate to be the one to say this, but that's BS. The comic industry HAS to change ever few years to keep going. If you keep telling the exact same story over and over again for 30+ years, No one would keep reading. Changing things is generally done out of necessity.oes.

Funny...because Marvel have proven with this they don't want to tell challenging new storylines that change any character. Ultimate Spidey will be allowed to do it's thing, but it's sure as heck more likely to end with Peter and MJ married than continue beyond that (which 616 should have been allowed to do since there were alternative options to read regarding a singles Spidey)

This whole thing is out of biased loyalty to sustaining the decrepid dinosaur that is both 616 Marvel canon and ASM. The latrer died a sad lonley death years ago around 1999, and the former only survives on a handful of titles thanks to some writers who still give a s*it about who there working in

If you want progress, read Spider-Girl. That's one of the many pros fans can't deny about Quesada: He recognises diversity in the market, and he's got enough canons to please a different portion of the audience, Spider-Girl is written by Defalco, a man who arguably inherited the true style of the character and "got" what needed to evolve him, hardly anyone has gotten that since then. Demattis was a solid writer (who is returning to Spidey soon), but he made him Batman, JMS made him a Power Ranger, and Joe made him a devil-worshipping idiot, Defalco made Peter and MJ human beings.

[GK Punk]

I wasn't talking about spider-man, I was talking about the entire comic book industry. I was saying its not fair to hate the entire comic industry because of what Marvel has done with Spider-Man.

[ZariusTwo]

Spider-Man is one of the most succesful and influencial aspects OF the comic industry. Screwing with him as much as Marvel have is pretty much an affront.

[GK Punk]

Yeah but to say "Spider-Man sucks right now so I refuse to read ANY comic books" is kind of ridiculous.

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Originally Posted by Michi heavenly6

Yeah but to say "Spider-Man sucks right now so I refuse to read ANY comic books" is kind of ridiculous.

I'd agree with that. I'm still a comic book fan, I just have to either look back and read older Marvel books or look to see what DC is doing, or maybe look into superhero related books that aren't mainstream characters (like maybe Astro City or something).

[Fugitoid Jones]

Yeah, this whole storyline blows. What really sucks is that Marvel may be canceling one of the Ultimate titles, and Ultimate Spidey is my only source for monthly Spidey goodness. I hope to God they don't cancel US, cause I sure as hell am not reading ASM. Not unless they go and recon this godawful recon storyline.

[Mr._Mutant_Man]

Originally Posted by Fugitoid Jones

Yeah, this whole storyline blows. What really sucks is that Marvel may be canceling one of the Ultimate titles, and Ultimate Spidey is my only source for monthly Spidey goodness. I hope to God they don't cancel US, cause I sure as hell am not reading ASM. Not unless they go and recon this godawful recon storyline.

Well if they were to cancel something...you think it would be Ultimates? I would think UXM and USM outsell it given that Ultimates is always late. I guess I could go back to reading mainstream X-Men, but I'd probably stay away from ASM at this point.

[ZariusTwo]

Ultimates had the perfect ending, and the writers ended it on their terms, too bad Marvel wanted more of it on their terms

[Spike Spiegel]

You guys know that this new crap will last for maybe the next two years or so, then it will likely either be canceled or go back to normal, right??

Honestly, I'd like to see them retcon every Spider-Man story since John Byrne's redo (and every Marvel 616 story since "Avengers Disassembled") and to see Peter Parker married to MJ with web shooters (no organic webs) and everything as it should be....

But that probably won't happen...sigh.

Marvel, Marvel, why hast thou forsaken me??

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Marty McFly

Honestly, I'd like to see them retcon every Spider-Man story since John Byrne's redo (and every Marvel 616 story since "Avengers Disassembled") and to see Peter Parker married to MJ with web shooters (no organic webs) and everything as it should be...

Marvel's only problem with that is that it's a mandate not to give them their child, which every fan wants to see. Times like this we need Shooter as Editor again (even if he's at DC Comics), or at least JMS (Bendis doesnt want the job), because I'd guarantee you we'd get it.

The Dissassembled nonsense will likely be retconned sooner or later, there's a rumoured arc involving Wanda in 2009, which of course means this entire thing was a marketing strategy from Quesada. Too bad the writers knew that this was a business ploy and decided to half-ass their efforts for years. There's a reason titles like X-Men, Hulk, Fantastic Four, The Incredible Herc, Spider-Girl and She-Hulk are solid right now, and that's because there not dependent on the events

Defalco's Spider-Girl is the only canon most fans have accepted, and it's arguably inheritied the "real" canon now anyway.

I've said it before, Marvel dont "get" Spider-Man. Stan was too good at insisting he stay "real", because he's not designed to be infinite, so when you reach a point where you expect the characters to age like Daredevil, the X-Men and the FF have...you dont see it. Spidey always has to be remain durable in the company's eyes (of course, to make a character durable, you give him a new interpretation like "Ultimate Spider-Man", but that's logical isnt it?)

Peter's meant to raise a family and he's meant to try and handle that aspect of life like he's handled every aspect of life. This is why Marvel are more comfortable now with five Spidey canons, knowing at least two of them are doing what they need to (USM for a new interpretation, and Spider-Girl to maintain Stan's ideas), whilst holding on to their nostaglic attachment to the glory days of the Amazing Spider-Man title