alright to end the dispute...

~~PWDESAI~~ · 10-24-2002, 03:20 PM

if you had to go against skill and fighting and everything wrapped up together, who is the best ninja?
Please answer truthfully not just for your favorite turtle
I voted for the last one.

**Karpo_007** · 10-24-2002, 03:46 PM

They work best as a team. No one has'nt got any spceial advantages when it comes to fighting real opponents. Everyone can have their own opinnions but ´The truth is that No one should be singeled out.

*Nickokapo* · 10-24-2002, 07:13 PM

They work best as a team imo...plus raph got his ass whooped in the rooftop scene of tmnt movie 1 'cause he was alone...and he's my fave turtle

**Nturtle** · 10-24-2002, 07:28 PM

Well... leo is the most skilled, Raph is the most fercious, Mikey is the most agile and Don has long reach with his bo... I've always seen Leo as the best fighter though, he did beat Shredder alone

*Deathknight* · 10-24-2002, 08:24 PM

Really depends on what area you look at the TMNT... the comics it's pretty tough to decide I'm seeing. The cartoon it's almost without a doubt Leonardo. The Live action movies it probably either Raph or Leo.

Ninja Turtles Cartoon Fan · 10-24-2002, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deathknight

Really depends on what area you look at the TMNT... the comics it's pretty tough to decide I'm seeing. The cartoon it's almost without a doubt Leonardo. The Live action movies it probably either Raph or Leo.

I would agree with Deathknight on this one. It depends upon which area of the TMNT universe you are examining.

In the cartoon, Leonardo is the leader. If I absolutely had to pick one turtle out of the four, it would be him because he is the leader.

But they work best as a team. Every time one of the Turtles tried to go off and handle things on his own in the cartoon, it was his three brothers that saved him. At one point, all four turtles were faced with this decision. And the point that kept being driven home to the viewer as is that these guys work best when they're a team. They all bring things to the table that the other three Turtles don't, and that's what makes them so awesome.

So, to answer your question, I would say they work best as a team.

"What I need is the other fellas!" - Leonardo, from "Combat Land"

*heretic888* · 10-28-2002, 12:04 PM

Michelangelo probably has the greatest physical skill in taijutsu due to his natural talents and attitude to training. His personality traits and 'intuitive' capacities also seems to imply that he is futher along in the more internal training than his brothers.

The question of course is: how much of this comes from ninjutsu training, and how much of this comes from from 'natural talent'??? I don't suppose we will ever know the answer to that.......

In the Mirage-based Palladium rpg, it is ambiguously descibed as Leo being the 'most skilled fighter', Raphael being the 'most deadly fighter', and Michelangelo being the 'most talented fighter'.

Raph is described as the most deadly due to his 'berserker rages' and raw enthusiasm, which in reality is a hindrance against skilled fighters or large groups of enemies. Uncontrolled anger is a liability, not an advantage.

So, this is really between Mike and Leo (Raph's short temper and lack of control make him too easy to defeat). Mike is the 'most talented' and Leo the 'most skilled'. Ok, those labels are so meaningless I don't even know how to begin. They literally say the same thing!!!!

Let's look at it in actual game mechanics. Michelangelo has the highest Physical Prowess of the four. This means, literally, agility and dexterity. 'Agility' is how quickly and easily one can move the body about, and 'dexterity' refers to overall skill and prowess. As far as ninjutsu training goes, agility and dexterity are among the physical traits desired for effective self-defense skill. Thus, I am inclined to say that Mike is the best 'ninja'.

'Taijutsu' (the ninja's empty-handed combat system, which forms the basis for all weapons combat) actually means 'skill with the body'. In other words, physical prowess, of which Mike has decidedly more than his brothers.

The REAL reason I think Mike is probably the 'best ninja' out of the group is his personality and internal qualities. His open-mindedness, calm relaxed nature, his intuitive ability, his creative capacities, his focus on the present...... these are all traits that lend themselves far more to 'flow' than his other brothers. 'Flow' is mushin, no mind, spontaneosly reacting appropriately to a situation as it occurs without conscious thought and planning.

Don doesnt possess as much physical talent as his brothers, but I tend to think after Mike he is the one most opent to this flowing capacity as well. Leonardo has physical skill, but he is just too emotionally rigid. Mike is doubly gifted, however, in possessing the greatest internal capacity to achieve 'flow' and the greatest level of agility and dexterity. His attitude to training, of enjoying the training for what it is and not rigidly 'worshipping' it as Leo does, makes me tend to think he progresses through the ninja skills easier as well.

Besides, all master ninja have a good sense of humor and trickery.... and only Splinter and Mike evidence this trait.

Draw your own conclusions, but I'm voting for Mike. I would vote for Splinter, though, if he were on the list.

View Poll Results: Best Ninja
Leonardo	5	22.73%
Donatello	1	4.55%
Raphael	1	4.55%
Michaelangelo	4	18.18%
What don't you understand? they work best as a team!	11	50.00%
Voters: 22. You may not vote on this poll

10-24-2002, 03:20 PM	#1
~~PWDESAI~~ Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,873	alright to end the dispute... if you had to go against skill and fighting and everything wrapped up together, who is the best ninja? Please answer truthfully not just for your favorite turtle I voted for the last one.

10-24-2002, 07:13 PM	#3
Nickokapo Emperor Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Argentina Posts: 5,802	They work best as a team imo...plus raph got his ass whooped in the rooftop scene of tmnt movie 1 'cause he was alone...and he's my fave turtle __________________

10-24-2002, 07:28 PM	#4
Nturtle Ninja Master Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Technodrome Airducts Posts: 5,215	Well... leo is the most skilled, Raph is the most fercious, Mikey is the most agile and Don has long reach with his bo... I've always seen Leo as the best fighter though, he did beat Shredder alone __________________ Fil rules. If Fil takes your 5 bucks then you should be eternally grateful that Fil would even borrow your money. Fil.

10-24-2002, 08:24 PM	#5
Deathknight Mad Scientist Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: One of the 972 rooms of the technodrome Posts: 1,995	Really depends on what area you look at the TMNT... the comics it's pretty tough to decide I'm seeing. The cartoon it's almost without a doubt Leonardo. The Live action movies it probably either Raph or Leo. __________________ Shredder: "Ninja hall of fame? Ha! Where's MY statue?!" -My Brother, the Bad Guy

10-24-2002, 03:46 PM	#2
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	They work best as a team. No one has'nt got any spceial advantages when it comes to fighting real opponents. Everyone can have their own opinnions but ´The truth is that No one should be singeled out.

10-28-2002, 12:04 PM	#7
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	ahem Michelangelo probably has the greatest physical skill in taijutsu due to his natural talents and attitude to training. His personality traits and 'intuitive' capacities also seems to imply that he is futher along in the more internal training than his brothers. The question of course is: how much of this comes from ninjutsu training, and how much of this comes from from 'natural talent'??? I don't suppose we will ever know the answer to that....... In the Mirage-based Palladium rpg, it is ambiguously descibed as Leo being the 'most skilled fighter', Raphael being the 'most deadly fighter', and Michelangelo being the 'most talented fighter'. Raph is described as the most deadly due to his 'berserker rages' and raw enthusiasm, which in reality is a hindrance against skilled fighters or large groups of enemies. Uncontrolled anger is a liability, not an advantage. So, this is really between Mike and Leo (Raph's short temper and lack of control make him too easy to defeat). Mike is the 'most talented' and Leo the 'most skilled'. Ok, those labels are so meaningless I don't even know how to begin. They literally say the same thing!!!! Let's look at it in actual game mechanics. Michelangelo has the highest Physical Prowess of the four. This means, literally, agility and dexterity. 'Agility' is how quickly and easily one can move the body about, and 'dexterity' refers to overall skill and prowess. As far as ninjutsu training goes, agility and dexterity are among the physical traits desired for effective self-defense skill. Thus, I am inclined to say that Mike is the best 'ninja'. 'Taijutsu' (the ninja's empty-handed combat system, which forms the basis for all weapons combat) actually means 'skill with the body'. In other words, physical prowess, of which Mike has decidedly more than his brothers. The REAL reason I think Mike is probably the 'best ninja' out of the group is his personality and internal qualities. His open-mindedness, calm relaxed nature, his intuitive ability, his creative capacities, his focus on the present...... these are all traits that lend themselves far more to 'flow' than his other brothers. 'Flow' is mushin, no mind, spontaneosly reacting appropriately to a situation as it occurs without conscious thought and planning. Don doesnt possess as much physical talent as his brothers, but I tend to think after Mike he is the one most opent to this flowing capacity as well. Leonardo has physical skill, but he is just too emotionally rigid. Mike is doubly gifted, however, in possessing the greatest internal capacity to achieve 'flow' and the greatest level of agility and dexterity. His attitude to training, of enjoying the training for what it is and not rigidly 'worshipping' it as Leo does, makes me tend to think he progresses through the ninja skills easier as well. Besides, all master ninja have a good sense of humor and trickery.... and only Splinter and Mike evidence this trait. Draw your own conclusions, but I'm voting for Mike. I would vote for Splinter, though, if he were on the list. __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)