Class Surprises Lesbian Teacher on Wedding Day

[Sewer Bull]

Originally Posted by poiuytre

I've been thinking about what Chi-ha said. While I don't agree with it, I do see a point in part of the reasoning. Polygamy is deemed acceptable in several places in the world, as in a handful of religions. For what reason could we still disallow it when we're about to change the nation definition of marriage anyway? It would simply be a consensual union of legally mature people, right?

Why to disallow it, actually?

It's better to marry a new wife with keeping an old one rather than kicking the old one out, non? And this is how it functions on the monogamous societies now.

Originally Posted by ThirdMarioBro

Love should know no boundaries.

... uhm, this is actually what the said scroll says, basically.

All the boundaries came within the following centuries.

[Storm Wolf]

Originally Posted by Tinuvielsdreams

As for the being gay part...Love is hard enough to find, why put any boundaries on who it can be with.
My best friend is marrying his boyfriend next fall and I am in the wedding party. I am very happy I live in a city where people feel free and comfortable with who they are. I feel privileged I get to be a part of that too

Amen to that!

and Congrats to your friend!

Originally Posted by spitfire

You must have been sheltered as a kid, or raised in the South. You lost the war remember?

Ouch....your comment really burns muh biscuits! South's not all that bad....is it?


I think this was a sweet thing to do! I also think that not sheltering them is a better way to go. What if one of the children ends up being gay? If they recall this they will know that it's ok to be this way....and perhaps in that knowledge they will be more comfortable with who they are.

What could be worse to a young person than being gay but terrified that none of your peers, friends, or even family will accept you?

My parents made sure to tell me that no matter what lifestyle I were to choose that they would always love me and support me. I think that's important for children to know.

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by ThirdMarioBro

The constitution was based on the separation of Church and State...at least until Richard Nixon woke up one morning and realized that bigotry, hatred, and religious segregation were great ways to assure a solid party base for generations to come. Now we call something like this a "social issue". It's just another way for religious extremists to propagate their hate while preaching love and spreading their power and influence.

Technically, it wasn't so much Nixon as a certain little false prophet called Jerry Falwell. Remember? The Christian base actually used to go for the Democrats until he came in and brainwashed everyone to vote for a certain over rated politician I won't name.

Take a look at the modern-day idiot folks. It's people like you that have ruined this once great country.

While I don't wanna go the name calling route, I cetrtainly agree there. It;s that kind of thinking that got us 8 years of Bush, instead of the 4 years we could have had. lemme just say, I found it fishy then and still now that Gay Marriage became legal in election years.... 2 of the times in a state with a Republican governer... makes you think, huh?

[Jester]

Wow, I'm glad I kept my view to myself until now. Don't want to be called an inbreed, ignorant, bigot, just because my faith tells me that marriage was created by God for one man and one woman...but then again, if heterosexuals are going to take marriage so lightly, it's impossible for us to stand up against gay marriage. We have made it a farce, we can't call it sacred, when we're willing to do things ourselves that throw that sanctity out the window.

I don't think that gay marriage will lead to things like polygamy and beastiality, I just see it it as a sacred institution, set up by God.

Let the name calling and faith bashing from the "open minded" people begin.

[Storm Wolf]

Originally Posted by Jester

I don't think that gay marriage will lead to things like polygamy and beastiality, I just see it it as a sacred institution, set up by God.

Let the name calling and faith bashing from the "open minded" people begin.

Not for nothing, but people don't hold marriages in such high regards.....gay or not.

People get married several times, divorced many. In this day and age, I think only very few people feel the way you do about marriage, Jester.

I'm not a religious person myself, but I do think if your going to pledge yourself to someone....make sure it's the right one the first time around.

Most homosexual people didn't ASK to be gay. For many it's not something any of them asked for. Any more than you asked to be a certain gender or to be a certain race.

What I'm saying is....why persecute someone for what they cannot change? They are people and deserve to be as miserable as the rest of the married crew! (ok...ok...bad joke!)

Polygamy is something that can be changed. Bestiality....er...I'm not going to comment on that. I don't think there are THAT many cases of people marrying there pets...right?

[PAAATE]

Originally Posted by Drtooth

RIGHT WING DEMOCRATS?!?!?! That's.... that's... Don't they just .... you know... cancell themselves out and cease to exist? Does your Arch Republican party dress in flowers and tie-dye T-shirts and say "Peace is Groovey, man?"

To quote the great Philosopher, Wade Duck... "I'm Scared!"

To answer this in a serious way (yeah, I'm boring)

Except for the "hate everyone that isn't a white male"-part they really aren't that far to the right.. They're extremist but not far to the right... If you understand.

And the political party that's most to the right in our Riksdag (kinda like a parliament, I think) doesn't even come close to the Republicans.

Originally Posted by Canadian Turtle

I have now met American's who ACTUALLY don't want it because they are TERRRRRRIFIED of Socialist values because, god forbid!! that might be mean your communist!

Haha, yeah right I'm a socialist and like most socialists I understand that communism only works theoretically, not practically..

Oh, also...

Originally Posted by Type 97 Chi-ha

Hey, if same sex marriage is OK, you might as well accept all the rest of them.

No...

[Canadian Turtle]

Originally Posted by Type 97 Chi-ha

Non-Americans love to think they know us well and that we're ignoramuses, and they hate it when Americans like myself tell them that their preconceived notions about us are complete nonsense. I know this from past experience.

I love this part because we don't "think we know" You are setting your own image up for the rest of the world to see. When a person like mayself is spending a lot of time in a lot of different parts of a country you get a good view of the 'big picture' We see nothing but America on TV, in the news, and we learn your history in our class rooms. Tell me you know something about the rest of the world and I'll listen.

Again I don't bash a person of faith if that is what they feel is right to have faith in, BUT don't knock on my door and tell me my "choices" or views are wrong because guess what it is a free country you can believe what you want and the state is NOT religious (yet) so your 'faiths' definition of mairage is your own, not the country's

And I would agree with the last person there, and shame on anyone who thinks differently. Homosexuality is NOT a choice that is a proven fact. So if you are that worried about your own gods view of another person... well you better grab your pitch fork and lets have a burnin!

Love is love, I am proud to live in a world where people can be free like that! But I am yet to meat a person of faith who practices what they preach.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Originally Posted by Canadian Turtle

I love this part because we don't "think we know" You are setting your own image up for the rest of the world to see. When a person like mayself is spending a lot of time in a lot of different parts of a country you get a good view of the 'big picture' We see nothing but America on TV, in the news, and we learn your history in our class rooms. Tell me you know something about the rest of the world and I'll listen.

Again I don't bash a person of faith if that is what they feel is right to have faith in, BUT don't knock on my door and tell me my "choices" or views are wrong because guess what it is a free country you can believe what you want and the state is NOT religious (yet) so your 'faiths' definition of mairage is your own, not the country's

And I would agree with the last person there, and shame on anyone who thinks differently. Homosexuality is NOT a choice that is a proven fact. So if you are that worried about your own gods view of another person... well you better grab your pitch fork and lets have a burnin!

Love is love, I am proud to live in a world where people can be free like that! But I am yet to meat a person of faith who practices what they preach.

I cannot vouch for what you know about America, but I've met non-Americans who had a surprisingly unrealistic view of what the US is like, presumably based on watching TV programs and selected news stories. In fact, I took a mass communications class where the professor told us that the poorer nations of the world are unhappy about the fact that the internation news media only mentions them when there is war or natural disaster or other negative things happening. Does watching "Benny Hill" make you an expert on Britain?

As far as the definition of marriage, religion has nothing to do with it. It is a matter of the law of the land, as it has always been, at least in the US. We can legally restrict or allow who can marry who any way we like, and that goes for any other nation as well.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Originally Posted by Storm Wolf

I think this was a sweet thing to do! I also think that not sheltering them is a better way to go. What if one of the children ends up being gay? If they recall this they will know that it's ok to be this way....and perhaps in that knowledge they will be more comfortable with who they are.

What could be worse to a young person than being gay but terrified that none of your peers, friends, or even family will accept you?

My parents made sure to tell me that no matter what lifestyle I were to choose that they would always love me and support me. I think that's important for children to know.

Forget the gay aspect. Any teacher who takes underage children out of a school to go somewhere else without their parents' knowledge or prior consent deserves to be fired. Ever heard of permission slips? I remember those as a child. The teachers involved went well beyond their authority, and do not deserve their office.

I wonder how sweet you would consider it if a teacher took a child with Hindu parents on an unauthorized visit to a slaughterhouse where cows were being killed and cut apart?

[Kunoichi_Haruko]

Originally Posted by Type 97 Chi-ha

Forget the gay aspect. Any teacher who takes underage children out of a school to go somewhere else without their parents' knowledge or prior consent deserves to be fired. Ever heard of permission slips? I remember those as a child. The teachers involved went well beyond their authority, and do not deserve their office.

I wonder how sweet you would consider it if a teacher took a child with Hindu parents on an unauthorized visit to a slaughterhouse where cows were being killed and cut apart?

Originally Posted by The Article

As is the case with all field trips, parents had to give their permission and could choose to opt out of the trip. Two families did. Those children spent the duration of the 90-minute field trip back at school with another first-grade class, the interim director said.

Read the whole thing before you get all in a tizzy...

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Originally Posted by Sewer Bull

... says the guy who claims Nelson Mandela has two wives and suggests gay marriages are a straight way to the legalization of pedophilia and bestiality.

I looked up Nelson Mandela. A news report I saw about his 90th birthday said he had two wives. However, I looked up Wikipedia, and it said he was married three times, but not with more than one at a time. So I admit I don't know for sure.

One thing I do know, though...the nation that was the first to create gay marriage is also the home of many porn websites, and quite a variety of porn at that, to put it delicately...

[Drtooth]

Originally Posted by Jester

Wow, I'm glad I kept my view to myself until now. Don't want to be called an inbreed, ignorant, bigot, just because my faith tells me that marriage was created by God for one man and one woman...but then again, if heterosexuals are going to take marriage so lightly, it's impossible for us to stand up against gay marriage. We have made it a farce, we can't call it sacred, when we're willing to do things ourselves that throw that sanctity out the window.

I've always said this... Marriage's sacredness was thrown WAAAAAAY out the window long before homosexuals asked for it. Vegas weddings ring a bell? And let's not forget Britney and Liza... both had multiple short marriges that lasted less than a year... one week in one of Brittney's cases. And let's not forget those marriages that are founded by supposedly moral people who are against premarital sex, but not above founding a loveless marriage just to get in the sack. It's like having a high country club that has greens unkept, gets infested by various rodents, and various other things that devalue the property. you might as well let anyone in if they want to, since it's a bloody mess anyway.

But I will say this. I respect views like yours... not the strawmen logic of slippery slopes, or likening homosexuality to pedophilia (since, pedophiles can be straight too).

[Krang]

First of all, enough with the name calling and personal attacks. No matter how strongly you disagree with someone, there is no need to resort to that.

Second, bashing anyone's religion is completely unacceptable. This includes every aspect of the religion, such as religious scripts. In a thread where most people claim to be promoting tolerance, I shouldn't even need to mention this...

The more extreme cases have been cleaned up, but if this continues, this thread will need to be locked. From now on, let's please be more careful and respectful of others.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Originally Posted by Jester

Wow, I'm glad I kept my view to myself until now. Don't want to be called an inbreed, ignorant, bigot, just because my faith tells me that marriage was created by God for one man and one woman...but then again, if heterosexuals are going to take marriage so lightly, it's impossible for us to stand up against gay marriage. We have made it a farce, we can't call it sacred, when we're willing to do things ourselves that throw that sanctity out the window.

I don't think that gay marriage will lead to things like polygamy and beastiality, I just see it it as a sacred institution, set up by God.

Let the name calling and faith bashing from the "open minded" people begin.

I value you as a friend, and all this political bullsh*t this year has blessed me with high blood pressure and stress levels reserved for someone twice my age, so I'll just drop it. But rest assured, I don't think God and the men who wrote the Bible have any hand in defining who is allowed to love who.

[Jester]

Well there's one thing we can agree on. I'll be glad when this election is over.

[Canadian Turtle]

^We should have an election poll on here for fun to see who TMNT people want in! It would be funny to see what side a TMNT fan leans on.... unless thats a no, no on the thread, I'm not sure.

PS, to clear up! I want to apologize if I hurt any feelings I get very worked up about ignorance and hate. I also defend things like the right to love who and how you want to the death. So I try to be as political and diplomatic as I can when voicing my opinion... but I'll slip up.

Thanks all, lets all keep the fights clean.

[Storm Wolf]

That's right! The best fights are the clean ones!

*puts away brass knuckles*


Hey lets just hope this election is a success and whoever gets elected does right by the people and gets the economy rolling again!

Gay marriage is definitely not our biggest problem in this country.

[Jester]

Indeed.

[ThirdMarioBro]

No, it isn't the most important issue, but sooner or later folks are going to have to choose between the Constitution's view of equality of the Bible's view of equality.

I'd really love to see a voting thread.

[Mecha Cow]

my faith tells me that marriage was created by God for one man and one woman...but then again, if heterosexuals are going to take marriage so lightly, it's impossible for us to stand up against gay marriage. We have made it a farce, we can't call it sacred, when we're willing to do things ourselves that throw that sanctity out the window.

Look, while I completely disagree with your view I can at least somewhat respect it, but to say people take marriage lightly because they think homosexuals should be allowed to marry is not fair at all, and makes you no better than the people you're criticizing. If you want people to respect your position, you should also consider that not everyone has the same definition of marriage, be it based on religion or personal beliefs.

This might be walking a slippery slope and I have no intention of getting into an argument about religion, but aside from your faith telling you marriage is something between a man and a woman, would it really bother you or even affect you in any way if two men get married? I mean, whether you personally approve or not is one thing, but as long as they're not hurting anyone, what's it to you? Why should their love be trivialised because of something you believe?

If you don't want to answer then feel free not to, and please understand that I'm honestly not trying to insult you or your religion, but yours is a mindset I truly do not understand.