Letters To Santa - Muppets Christmas - Page 3

*VaughnMichael* · 12-02-2008, 08:39 PM

Ummm Raph's Girl, To my knowledge Clifford is not in Letters To Santa but hey I sure hope I'm wrong and he is, hell even better I'd like to see Clash return as Leon the lizard from the Jim Henson Hour!

*Raph's Girl* · 12-02-2008, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by VaughnMichael

Ummm Raph's Girl, To my knowledge Clifford is not in Letters To Santa but hey I sure hope I'm wrong and he is, hell even better I'd like to see Clash return as Leon the lizard from the Jim Henson Hour!

Hmm.. U sure about that??? Clifford's on the cast list at imdb.com...course imdb.com isn't always 100%....

The Muppet wiki only lists the human cast. Apperantly Beaker's got a human GF... a supermodel named Petra Nemcova.

*VaughnMichael* · 12-02-2008, 11:48 PM

I haven't seen Clifford in any clips or images yet but hey I hope I'm wrong even if I'd still much rather see Leon or Digit return.

*Drtooth* · 12-03-2008, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by VaughnMichael

I haven't seen Clifford in any clips or images yet but hey I hope I'm wrong even if I'd still much rather see Leon or Digit return.

He'll, if anything have a very short cameo, like he did in OZ (which he was actually there, he was basically just referenced in the movie as a photo in the background before that )... something he'd likely just loop dialogue for.

But it would be a miracle for Digit to come back. He was last seen in some video game, and even then, that was his first appearance in years. I guess the puppet's too expensive to build, and they wouldn't know where he would fit in everything.

*Hero* · 12-04-2008, 03:35 PM

How many Muppet Christmas movies are there now?

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*gobo* · 12-04-2008, 03:58 PM

That answer is really unclear. There are 7 theatrical films (in the US anyway), but there's too much uncertainty on how long a TV special can be before it can be considered a movie and how many what makes the show a muppet show (alluding to Emmet Otter's Jugband Christmas and those other Henson productions that featured puppets that can't be seen elsewhere).

EDIT: I thought you meant ALL muppet movies...

I only know of four (not including the Otter), but I'm sure someone will be along shortly to correct me on this.

*Raph's Girl* · 12-05-2008, 12:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Hero

How many Muppet Christmas movies are there now?

===HERO

Muppet Family Christmas
A Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie
Letters To Santa - Muppets Christmas
Muppet Christmas Carol
John Denver and the Muppets Christmas Together
The Great Santa Claus Switch (which was Gonzo's first ever appearance)

Then there's the Seseme street ones that have Kermit in it:
Christmas Eve On Seseme Street (in which Kermit hums and haws to Big Bird about Santa)

I also love The Christmas Toy and Emmet Otter's Jug Band Christmas. Even tho it's not the regular muppets...except for Kermit making cameos and narrating.

turkishproverb · 12-05-2008, 04:52 AM

Yea. Shame most copies of Emmet and Family are neutered. This one looks good though. I'll be watching closely.

*Raph's Girl* · 12-17-2008, 11:10 PM

Well I have to say that this was a cute little movie. Rolf even showed up and sang!!!

The movie was mostly a Gonzo movie. Him being all sad and depressed cuz he accidentally didn't send a letter at the post office for a little girl named Claire that he befriended. Course her christmas wish was so that her friends wouldn't be away for Christmas....and she did get her wish...much to the annoyance of her poor mother.

Things learned in this film:

1: Zoot is Jewish

2: Bunsen is gay (Beaker was soo confused when Bunsen chose to dance with him instead of the supermodel)

3: The Muppets now live in an apartment complex that looks like the one from Seseme Street,

Im still a bit leary about Swedish Chef speaking in almost perfect english...but ah well...it was nice to see Rolf for the first time in years, Robin as well (even tho his appearance was extremely random). Loved that the Turkey braught a Tofurkey for them to eat. *L*

*VaughnMichael* · 12-18-2008, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

Well I have to say that this was a cute little movie. Rolf even showed up and sang!!!

The movie was mostly a Gonzo movie. Him being all sad and depressed cuz he accidentally didn't send a letter at the post office for a little girl named Claire that he befriended. Course her christmas wish was so that her friends wouldn't be away for Christmas....and she did get her wish...much to the annoyance of her poor mother.

Things learned in this film:

1: Zoot is Jewish

2: Bunsen is gay (Beaker was soo confused when Bunsen chose to dance with him instead of the supermodel)

3: The Muppets now live in an apartment complex that looks like the one from Seseme Street,

Im still a bit leary about Swedish Chef speaking in almost perfect english...but ah well...it was nice to see Rolf for the first time in years, Robin as well (even tho his appearance was extremely random). Loved that the Turkey braught a Tofurkey for them to eat. *L*

Seriously some times I just want to squish ur face in a clamp like stooge.
It's rowlf not rolf.
Simply because Bunsen danced with beaker does not make him gay.

this entire movie looked and felt like a Sesame Street movie and was uber disapointing to a hardcore Muppet fan such as myself.

I mean it wasn't all bad but it felt like they watched past Muppet and Sesame Street films and just took bits and made a new film out of them.
The entire Nathan Lane and Bobo bit really felt like it came right out of Muppets from Space.
Over all I give it a D+ a nice try but barely scratch the a flake off the skin of Jim Hensons Muppet work.

Mandi-chan · 12-18-2008, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by VaughnMichael

Seriously some times I just want to squish ur face in a clamp like stooge.
It's rowlf not rolf.
Simply because Bunsen danced with beaker does not make him gay.

this entire movie looked and felt like a Sesame Street movie and was uber disapointing to a hardcore Muppet fan such as myself.

I mean it wasn't all bad but it felt like they watched past Muppet and Sesame Street films and just took bits and made a new film out of them.
The entire Nathan Lane and Bobo bit really felt like it came right out of Muppets from Space.
Over all I give it a D+ a nice try but barely scratch the a flake off the skin of Jim Hensons Muppet work.

I totally agree with you, I felt the same way. I kept asking myself when one of the SS characters were going to show up, and had been looking for the street sign too. Because this didn't feel like a Muppet movie to me, it felt like SS street.

Too childish and watered down for my taste, and I was really disappointed when it was over.

There were bits I liked (Gonzo's role in the movie, Piggy/Kermit's relationship, the songs *even though they paled in comparison to all the Muppet songs of the past*, Bunsen and Beaker fluff *whether it makes Bunsen gay or not, it was sweet regardless*), but the rest was poorly done.

The adults were way too childish, and the way Santa was handled was just kinda weird to me.

I agree, even though it was cute, that Bobo's scenes with Nathan Lane felt like they were ripped out of MFS. Should have been more original.

After all the hype, this special was really disappointing to me (and I'm a die-hard Muppet fan)...I feel it's the weakest special they've done (good message, poorly done).

I gave it a C.

*Drtooth* · 12-18-2008, 08:47 AM

All and all, you just can't freaking win, can you? I loved this special and it really felt like a near classic. It didn't have a bunch of random NBC stars plugging their shows like the last time, and they didn't need to shove in cracks about the Crock Hunter, the Jim Carrey Grinch movie, and Moulin Rouge. It seemed timeless by comparison to all the other Muppet projects, especially that train wreck "Muppet Wizard of Oz" and as "Juvenile" as it seemed, they didn't fish for Tweenagers with at the moment pop star stunt casting or pandering to college kids with obsessive compulsive pop culture and PG rated sex jokes.

The reason that it wasn't perfectly muppety enough is that it was only 40 minutes... had it been a full 2 hours, it would have really been solid. It needed a scene with Santa's elves being Penguins or Rats or something. But as a Christmas Special, I haven't seen one this good in years.

As far as recent Christmas specials go, they seem to be throwing stuff to the wall and seeing what sticks. There was something called "The Flight Before Christmas" I couldn't watch all the way. It had a nice story, and beautiful animation, but it just... the writing itself was crap. I mean, the bad guys were wolves that wanted to eat Santa... even lamer than that Sonic the Hedgehog thing. And let's not even talk about the sheer gaudiness of "Elmo's Christmas Countdown." (seriously, did we need that Charles Gibson reindeer giving Elmo and Ben Stiller Elf raspberries every 5 minutes?)

*Hero* · 12-22-2008, 07:11 PM

I bought A Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie as per recommendation from Dromers, sat and watched it and enjoyed it very much.

I can't find Muppet Family Christmas anywhere on region 2 but I will probably end up buying a R1 import or something. It sounds like this Movie special is a real blast.

===HERO

**ThirdMarioBro** · 12-23-2008, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Drtooth

All and all, you just can't freaking win, can you? I loved this special and it really felt like a near classic. It didn't have a bunch of random NBC stars plugging their shows like the last time, and they didn't need to shove in cracks about the Crock Hunter, the Jim Carrey Grinch movie, and Moulin Rouge. It seemed timeless by comparison to all the other Muppet projects, especially that train wreck "Muppet Wizard of Oz" and as "Juvenile" as it seemed, they didn't fish for Tweenagers with at the moment pop star stunt casting or pandering to college kids with obsessive compulsive pop culture and PG rated sex jokes.

I enjoyed the show. It was HUGE step up from the tear fest that was "A Very Merry Muppet Christmas" from a few years ago. Gawd, that was depressing. This however, felt like a true Muppets special. It had the style, the heart, and songs (yay for Paul Williams) and the writing. It was the first modern Christmas special in YEARS that I've enjoyed. I typically won't watch anything post 1990 with a few exceptions. The guest stars were well chosen as well. Uma Thurman's constant overly perky appearances kept me laughing.

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Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

Hmm.. U sure about that??? Clifford's on the cast list at imdb.com...course imdb.com isn't always 100%....

The Muppet wiki only lists the human cast. Apperantly Beaker's got a human GF... a supermodel named Petra Nemcova.

That was the best part when Beaker made his wish. Beaker got laid. Win. Poor bastard deserves it.

turkishproverb · 12-23-2008, 04:10 AM

No, the best part was when Beaker was told to send her back and he responded by going with her.

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Originally Posted by Hero

I bought A Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie as per recommendation from Dromers, sat and watched it and enjoyed it very much.

I can't find Muppet Family Christmas anywhere on region 2 but I will probably end up buying a R1 import or something. It sounds like this Movie special is a real blast.

===HERO

Muppet family christmas is out of print in the states too. Get the region 2 if you can find it. The UK VHS doesn't have as many severe edits as the US version does on home release.

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Originally Posted by Raph's Girl

Well I have to say that this was a cute little movie. Rolf even showed up and sang!!!

The movie was mostly a Gonzo movie. Him being all sad and depressed cuz he accidentally didn't send a letter at the post office for a little girl named Claire that he befriended. Course her christmas wish was so that her friends wouldn't be away for Christmas....and she did get her wish...much to the annoyance of her poor mother.

Things learned in this film:

1: Zoot is Jewish

2: Bunsen is gay (Beaker was soo confused when Bunsen chose to dance with him instead of the supermodel)

3: The Muppets now live in an apartment complex that looks like the one from Seseme Street,

Im still a bit leary about Swedish Chef speaking in almost perfect english...but ah well...it was nice to see Rolf for the first time in years, Robin as well (even tho his appearance was extremely random). Loved that the Turkey braught a Tofurkey for them to eat. *L*

1. Or zoot is a burnout and doesn't entierely know what's going on. Both good.

2. Or bunsen just felt like dancing wiht his oldest friend. Not to mention-good gag of an old fashioned bait and switch. Either one is good.

3. I wonder who they sub let from....

Was good to see Rowlf back too. And the turkey was a shocker. Did you catch him and the chef hugging? so..cute...

Overall, I thought it wasn't bad. I'd give it a B. Significantly better than we've gotten in a while, but not the greatest thing.

*Hero* · 01-03-2009, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by turkishproverb

Muppet family christmas is out of print in the states too. Get the region 2 if you can find it. The UK VHS doesn't have as many severe edits as the US version does on home release.

I managed to get ahold of a version of Muppet Family Christmas that aired on YTV. I think it is an unedited version too. I need to check wikipedia again for the edit listing.

I think I'll still try and track down this truely great Christmas special in physical form. Releasing this a while back in the UK would have caused possible confusion by the inventor bloke from Fraggle Rock (the UK shows had a lighthouse keeper edited over instead). However, the US edits of Fraggle Rock are now being aired in Blighty and its interesting to see them with the Inventor (Now I see why the dog was called Sprocket).

===HERO

12-04-2008, 03:35 PM	#45
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12-04-2008, 03:58 PM	#46
gobo Wacky Action Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: on Earth Posts: 12,784	That answer is really unclear. There are 7 theatrical films (in the US anyway), but there's too much uncertainty on how long a TV special can be before it can be considered a movie and how many what makes the show a muppet show (alluding to Emmet Otter's Jugband Christmas and those other Henson productions that featured puppets that can't be seen elsewhere). EDIT: I thought you meant ALL muppet movies... I only know of four (not including the Otter), but I'm sure someone will be along shortly to correct me on this. __________________ Live and let live... or go to hell.

12-17-2008, 11:10 PM	#49
Raph's Girl Dierna Soul, Reporter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Jakku Posts: 10,831	Well I have to say that this was a cute little movie. Rolf even showed up and sang!!! The movie was mostly a Gonzo movie. Him being all sad and depressed cuz he accidentally didn't send a letter at the post office for a little girl named Claire that he befriended. Course her christmas wish was so that her friends wouldn't be away for Christmas....and she did get her wish...much to the annoyance of her poor mother. Things learned in this film: 1: Zoot is Jewish 2: Bunsen is gay (Beaker was soo confused when Bunsen chose to dance with him instead of the supermodel) 3: The Muppets now live in an apartment complex that looks like the one from Seseme Street, Im still a bit leary about Swedish Chef speaking in almost perfect english...but ah well...it was nice to see Rolf for the first time in years, Robin as well (even tho his appearance was extremely random). Loved that the Turkey braught a Tofurkey for them to eat. L __________________

12-18-2008, 08:47 AM	#52
Drtooth Foot Elite Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 4,439	All and all, you just can't freaking win, can you? I loved this special and it really felt like a near classic. It didn't have a bunch of random NBC stars plugging their shows like the last time, and they didn't need to shove in cracks about the Crock Hunter, the Jim Carrey Grinch movie, and Moulin Rouge. It seemed timeless by comparison to all the other Muppet projects, especially that train wreck "Muppet Wizard of Oz" and as "Juvenile" as it seemed, they didn't fish for Tweenagers with at the moment pop star stunt casting or pandering to college kids with obsessive compulsive pop culture and PG rated sex jokes. The reason that it wasn't perfectly muppety enough is that it was only 40 minutes... had it been a full 2 hours, it would have really been solid. It needed a scene with Santa's elves being Penguins or Rats or something. But as a Christmas Special, I haven't seen one this good in years. As far as recent Christmas specials go, they seem to be throwing stuff to the wall and seeing what sticks. There was something called "The Flight Before Christmas" I couldn't watch all the way. It had a nice story, and beautiful animation, but it just... the writing itself was crap. I mean, the bad guys were wolves that wanted to eat Santa... even lamer than that Sonic the Hedgehog thing. And let's not even talk about the sheer gaudiness of "Elmo's Christmas Countdown." (seriously, did we need that Charles Gibson reindeer giving Elmo and Ben Stiller Elf raspberries every 5 minutes?) __________________ [Insert mildly amusing banner here]

12-22-2008, 07:11 PM	#53
Hero British Bloke Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bristol, UK Posts: 2,298	I bought A Very Merry Muppet Christmas Movie as per recommendation from Dromers, sat and watched it and enjoyed it very much. I can't find Muppet Family Christmas anywhere on region 2 but I will probably end up buying a R1 import or something. It sounds like this Movie special is a real blast. ===HERO __________________ Go Green Machine My Facebook -My Tumblr - My Art - Figured 0ut - My Awesome Instagram

12-02-2008, 08:39 PM	#41
VaughnMichael I'm Baaaaaaccck! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 11,833	Ummm Raph's Girl, To my knowledge Clifford is not in Letters To Santa but hey I sure hope I'm wrong and he is, hell even better I'd like to see Clash return as Leon the lizard from the Jim Henson Hour!

12-02-2008, 11:48 PM	#43
VaughnMichael I'm Baaaaaaccck! Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 11,833	I haven't seen Clifford in any clips or images yet but hey I hope I'm wrong even if I'd still much rather see Leon or Digit return.