Greatest skilled turtle? - Page 2

*triplexxx* · 02-14-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryona

Stupid how? I was just pointing something out. Where did you come off with that?

Because you're wrong about it, it's been stated before Munroe had no intention of making it so that Leonardo held back and let Raphael win, and regardless of what you say about the math, how the fight went on before that point doesn't make it so. Both tried just as well to win, and Raphael won it fair and square, that's it and that's all. Not saying that proves Raphael better or proves anything else pertinent to this topic for that matter, but that's the "fact" of that matter.

02-14-2009, 02:17 PM

That truly doesn't sound right. Honestly. And whether what you said actually is fact or not, it can't ignore the fact that Leo took out Raph with relative ease in the first round when he thought he was just fighting some "Night Watcher" punk; and how the playing feild got more evened after Leo's shock of discovering it was Raph.

It comes down to who wanted it more. Raph did. He really REALLY wanted to win. For Leo however, the fight was half-hearted.
Try playing a competetive sport with someone who's not enthusiastic to play. Don't expect the best from them, even though you're all hyped up to play.

Also, it's not the first time that Raph "won" a fight against Leo. In the Mirage comics (Return to New York), Raph managed to throw Leo against a wall after a virbal fight, and it made him think he was a big man. But then later, Raph gets royally f*cked, and Leo's there to save his ass, at which point Raph admits to Leo that he's #1, just before Leo goes off to batter Shredder alone (whom which Leo defeats).

Chrissie Terrapin · 02-14-2009, 02:20 PM

and in my opinion it do looks like Leo is holding back
looking at his movements and expressions

*triplexxx* · 02-14-2009, 02:23 PM

Well, whether it sounds right or not, it's true. And I'm not ignoring the fact that he handled him well at the start, but that doesn't change how the fight concluded and that it was fair and square. It was evened out from the start because they were both caught up in themselves, Leonardo in pride and Raphael in anger, and both had to learn a lesson, and that's why I say they both wanted to win just as much.

TheUltimateShredhead · 02-14-2009, 03:39 PM

In both ot and nt splinter claims leo being the best skilled.

joe-eyeball · 02-14-2009, 04:19 PM

C'mon this thread is about which turtle is the most skilled ninja, not who would beat who in a fight. And in any version of the turtles, Leo is the most skilled. There is no debating that. If you did try to debate this then you would be wrong, and you know what, its O.K. to be wrong.

TheUltimateShredhead · 02-14-2009, 04:44 PM

Not on this forum

muhahahaha!

Ra · 02-14-2009, 06:10 PM

Splinter would pwn all of their asses.

There. Now everyone is happy.

*Andrew NDB* · 02-14-2009, 06:34 PM

Leonardo is the most skilled. Ryona points out a great example (though she means "Return to New York," not "City at War") in the comics... Raphael's rage gets the better of him time and time again, and Leo was there to save his ass and then go on to decapitate Saki for his second and final death.

02-14-2009, 07:01 PM

Yeah, Andrew is correct. It was "Return to New York". I was typing out that post quickly and got the titles mixed up. I fixed the mistake now.

Anyway, Ra is totally right. Splinter would own them all. lol
Well, Splinter is after all the master. If anyone in the clan is the most skilled, it would be Splinter. Well above Leonardo.

TheUltimateShredhead · 02-14-2009, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ra

Splinter would pwn all of their asses.

There. Now everyone is happy.

In the finale ep of ot "Divide and Conquer" Splinter claims they've finally are equally matched to him, but the dude is a humble polite wise man, maybe he was overestimating them that pleasure

NameGoesHere1066 · 02-19-2009, 05:49 PM

leo is the most skilled. 'nuff said. this isn't even a debate, it's the truth and it's canon in every medium of the turtles (except NMT, where Venus easily wipes the floor with all of them.

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TheUltimateShredhead · 02-19-2009, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NameGoesHere1066

leo is the most skilled. 'nuff said. this isn't even a debate, it's the truth and it's canon in every medium of the turtles (except NMT, where Venus easily wipes the floor with all of them.

)

Stupid NMT

redlotusfire · 02-22-2009, 10:18 PM

I am such a newbie and missed all the chat about it but leo i think is the best, he always took his ninja training to heart plus splinters words. determination

*Revan* · 02-22-2009, 11:49 PM

Skilled in the martial arts?
>Leo - Mike - Raph - Don

Leo is the most skilled, hands down
Mike is agile, quick, flexible. well balanced
Raph is quite strong and seems to spend a lot of time weight training and not as much working on technique
Don has been said to overthink his moves too much and become predictable. Plus the 2k3 series seems to show him in distress most often

They all have their own skills though. Don is the most remarkable turtle IMO. He is smarter than most humans and he never spent a day in school. Awesome.

*Buslady* · 02-23-2009, 09:42 AM

whats funny is skilled in what?

cos Leo ain't better than Raph in saijutsu, as Don ain't as good as Mikey with nunchaku....and Mikey ain't better than Leo with swords, etc...

Vivi · 02-23-2009, 09:56 AM

^
that's a good point. There was an episode where Don was trying to twirl sai, and dropped one. I don't know if any of the others would have Mikey's speed on the 'chucks.

*Prowler* · 02-23-2009, 11:38 AM

Old toon: Donatello

Movies: Hard to say.

New toon: Leonardo, definitely

*Revan* · 02-23-2009, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vivi

^
that's a good point. There was an episode where Don was trying to twirl sai, and dropped one. I don't know if any of the others would have Mikey's speed on the 'chucks.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buslady

whats funny is skilled in what?

cos Leo ain't better than Raph in saijutsu, as Don ain't as good as Mikey with nunchaku....and Mikey ain't better than Leo with swords, etc...

Exaclty. What exactly is this thread about? Are we talking unarmed combat or is it meant to pit each turtle's specialty against the others' ?

Leo is obviously most skilled in Kenjutsu. Don in Bojutsu... etc...

02-24-2009, 02:28 AM

Well, first off, when you train in Ninjutsu, you learn how to use all the weapons. And I've seen material where the TMNT have used other weapons other than their common speciality weapons.
It's pretty safe to say that each ninja turtle uses his speciality weapon with greater skill than the others would if they used his weapon.
Though, as far as the Mirage universe goes, I've seen some material that suggests that Leo may be equally skilled as the others with their weapons.

As for unarmed combat, as Neutrino mentioned, Leonardo is definetly without question the most skilled.

02-14-2009, 02:17 PM	#22
Ryona Guest Posts: n/a	That truly doesn't sound right. Honestly. And whether what you said actually is fact or not, it can't ignore the fact that Leo took out Raph with relative ease in the first round when he thought he was just fighting some "Night Watcher" punk; and how the playing feild got more evened after Leo's shock of discovering it was Raph. It comes down to who wanted it more. Raph did. He really REALLY wanted to win. For Leo however, the fight was half-hearted. Try playing a competetive sport with someone who's not enthusiastic to play. Don't expect the best from them, even though you're all hyped up to play. Also, it's not the first time that Raph "won" a fight against Leo. In the Mirage comics (Return to New York), Raph managed to throw Leo against a wall after a virbal fight, and it made him think he was a big man. But then later, Raph gets royally fcked, and Leo's there to save his ass, at which point Raph admits to Leo that he's #1, just before Leo goes off to batter Shredder alone (whom which Leo defeats). Last edited by Ryona; 02-14-2009 at 07:02 PM.*

02-14-2009, 02:20 PM	#23
Chrissie Terrapin Foot Soldier Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: somewhere Posts: 180	and in my opinion it do looks like Leo is holding back looking at his movements and expressions __________________

02-14-2009, 02:23 PM	#24
triplexxx Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,817	Well, whether it sounds right or not, it's true. And I'm not ignoring the fact that he handled him well at the start, but that doesn't change how the fight concluded and that it was fair and square. It was evened out from the start because they were both caught up in themselves, Leonardo in pride and Raphael in anger, and both had to learn a lesson, and that's why I say they both wanted to win just as much. __________________ Please don't shoot me Mr. Big Mike. I'm too young and good-looking to die, well too young. I got a father, I got a mother, I got a grandmother, I got a little sister...and a little brother this high (raises hand), and a little brother this high (lowers hand), and little brother this high (lowers hand), and a little brother this high (lowers hand), and a little brother this high (lowers hand) and then I got a great big brother this high (slaps gun and runs). "Fright Night" - Three Stooges

02-14-2009, 06:10 PM	#28
Ra It's my desire? Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: In your pants. Posts: 4,441	Splinter would pwn all of their asses. There. Now everyone is happy. __________________ "So. The whole lot of you against little old me? How retarded."

02-19-2009, 05:49 PM	#32
NameGoesHere1066 Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: at home LOL Posts: 957	leo is the most skilled. 'nuff said. this isn't even a debate, it's the truth and it's canon in every medium of the turtles (except NMT, where Venus easily wipes the floor with all of them. ) __________________ ]

02-14-2009, 03:39 PM	#25
TheUltimateShredhead Stone Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 642	In both ot and nt splinter claims leo being the best skilled.

02-14-2009, 04:19 PM	#26
joe-eyeball Stone Warrior Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Cleveland Posts: 708	C'mon this thread is about which turtle is the most skilled ninja, not who would beat who in a fight. And in any version of the turtles, Leo is the most skilled. There is no debating that. If you did try to debate this then you would be wrong, and you know what, its O.K. to be wrong.

02-14-2009, 04:44 PM	#27
TheUltimateShredhead Stone Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 642	Not on this forum muhahahaha!

02-14-2009, 06:34 PM	#29
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,543	Leonardo is the most skilled. Ryona points out a great example (though she means "Return to New York," not "City at War") in the comics... Raphael's rage gets the better of him time and time again, and Leo was there to save his ass and then go on to decapitate Saki for his second and final death.

02-14-2009, 07:01 PM	#30
Ryona Guest Posts: n/a	Yeah, Andrew is correct. It was "Return to New York". I was typing out that post quickly and got the titles mixed up. I fixed the mistake now. Anyway, Ra is totally right. Splinter would own them all. lol Well, Splinter is after all the master. If anyone in the clan is the most skilled, it would be Splinter. Well above Leonardo.

02-22-2009, 10:18 PM	#34
redlotusfire Mouser Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: kansas, i like it quiet Posts: 9	I am such a newbie and missed all the chat about it but leo i think is the best, he always took his ninja training to heart plus splinters words. determination

02-22-2009, 11:49 PM	#35
Revan Han Shot First Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Paper Street Soap Company Posts: 3,687	Skilled in the martial arts? >Leo - Mike - Raph - Don Leo is the most skilled, hands down Mike is agile, quick, flexible. well balanced Raph is quite strong and seems to spend a lot of time weight training and not as much working on technique Don has been said to overthink his moves too much and become predictable. Plus the 2k3 series seems to show him in distress most often They all have their own skills though. Don is the most remarkable turtle IMO. He is smarter than most humans and he never spent a day in school. Awesome. __________________

02-23-2009, 09:42 AM	#36
Buslady WingsOfDarkness! Perkele! Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: In 7803... Posts: 4,366	whats funny is skilled in what? cos Leo ain't better than Raph in saijutsu, as Don ain't as good as Mikey with nunchaku....and Mikey ain't better than Leo with swords, etc... __________________

02-23-2009, 09:56 AM	#37
Vivi Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ninja HQ, Moon Posts: 1,076	^ that's a good point. There was an episode where Don was trying to twirl sai, and dropped one. I don't know if any of the others would have Mikey's speed on the 'chucks.

02-24-2009, 02:28 AM	#40
Ryona Guest Posts: n/a	Well, first off, when you train in Ninjutsu, you learn how to use all the weapons. And I've seen material where the TMNT have used other weapons other than their common speciality weapons. It's pretty safe to say that each ninja turtle uses his speciality weapon with greater skill than the others would if they used his weapon. Though, as far as the Mirage universe goes, I've seen some material that suggests that Leo may be equally skilled as the others with their weapons. As for unarmed combat, as Neutrino mentioned, Leonardo is definetly without question the most skilled.