Some insight from inside the TMNT World - Page 5

Dragon Turtle · 02-19-2009, 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Before 4kids, there were two failed attempts to bring the Turtles back. That CG-I show that no network wanted, and the proposed WB cartoon.

No one wanted them then because there was no precedence that the TMNT franchise could be revived and be profitable, but now you have the TMNT 2k3 series as proof that it can.

Quote:

Without 4kids, where can a cartoon air?

4Kids is not dropping the TMNT franchise, TMNT will remain in rotation in 4Kid's animation block as long as they need filler material.

And then there's the internet, digital downloads, dvds, cable channels (such as Disney XD), this is not 1997, there are many alternative media outlets were the 2k3 series can pop up.

*CyberCubed* · 02-19-2009, 06:41 PM

Which is what I'm saying, if 4kids is letting the franchise rest for awhile it doesn't matter, but if they ever feel TMNT is profitable again, I'd rather the new series be in continuity with Seasons 1-7 rather than being another re-boot. There is no reason to throw the universe they built up away just to do the same thing a second time, its still the same damn Mirage source material.

*Cipher* · 02-19-2009, 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Which is what I'm saying, if 4kids is letting the franchise rest for awhile it doesn't matter, but if they ever feel TMNT is profitable again, I'd rather the new series be in continuity with Seasons 1-7 rather than being another re-boot. There is no reason to throw the universe they built up away just to do the same thing a second time, its still the same damn Mirage source material.

If the next series was just going to be a "Mirage for the kiddies" thing again, then they should just go ahead and attach it to the current continuity. Otherwise it would have what I like to call "The Batman Syndrome." That show basically tried to do the exact same things as B:TAS minus the charm, so why not stop beating around the bush and just continue B:TAS?

But there are a plethora of other directions for a Turtles show. Archie adaptations (which are already decent for kids' TV), a completely new concept like the cancelled WB cartoon, etc. Even, dare I say it with bated breath, an uncensored Mirage adaptation (yeah, I know, it' won't happen).

*Andrew NDB* · 02-19-2009, 07:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Which is what I'm saying, if 4kids is letting the franchise rest for awhile it doesn't matter, but if they ever feel TMNT is profitable again, I'd rather the new series be in continuity with Seasons 1-7 rather than being another re-boot.

Of course you would rather see that, but they're not worried about staying in continuity. None of you are even in the demographic that matters for a cartoon like that... they don't and shouldn't care that you want them to make more seasons in continuity. A generation of little tykes have outgrown the TMNT cartoon and 4Kids/TPTB are going to be looking to reboot and rehook another generation of little tykes on TMNT in due time... that pretty much means clean sweep of continuity.

Vicious circle... over and over and over.

*Roseangelo* · 02-19-2009, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Vicious circle... over and over and over.

Much like this conversation...

*Andrew NDB* · 02-19-2009, 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roseangelo

Much like this conversation...

Yeah. A case of... message board imitating art, imitating life?

*Roseangelo* · 02-19-2009, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Yeah. A case of... message board imitating art, imitating life?

Or perhaps just the inescapable fate of anything connected to the TMNT.

**Jester** · 02-19-2009, 08:05 PM

Tristen really hit it by saying that the TMNT movies seem to imitate the other media, if the comic is the only media, could we expect a Mirage-esque movie?

*Cipher* · 02-19-2009, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jester

Tristen really hit it by saying that the TMNT movies seem to imitate the other media, if the comic is the only media, could we expect a Mirage-esque movie?

Yeah, I totally remember that scene in the first movie when the guys all rushed into the Technodrome and...oh, wait.

Dragon Turtle · 02-19-2009, 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cipher

If the next series was just going to be a "Mirage for the kiddies" thing again, then they should just go ahead and attach it to the current continuity. Otherwise it would have what I like to call "The Batman Syndrome." That show basically tried to do the exact same things as B:TAS minus the charm, so why not stop beating around the bush and just continue B:TAS?

The Batman didn't try to do the same thing as B:TAS, at least not in the beginning. Conceptually, there was nothing wrong with The Batman, it was the execution that was subpar.

I personally wouldn't mind if they kept the 2k3 continuity, but I would much rather see them do something new.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Of course you would rather see that, but they're not worried about staying in continuity. None of you are even in the demographic that matters for a cartoon like that... they don't and shouldn't care that you want them to make more seasons in continuity. A generation of little tykes have outgrown the TMNT cartoon and 4Kids/TPTB are going to be looking to reboot and rehook another generation of little tykes on TMNT in due time... that pretty much means clean sweep of continuity.

Vicious circle... over and over and over.

There is precedence of a cartoon staying in the same continuity after a lay off, especially if the same production company is involved. Unlike the shift between the OT and the 2k3 cartoon, any future cartoon would probably have the same tone as the 2k3 cartoon. And I don't believe that Mirage/Playmates/4Kids are going to let the franchise rest for too long.

*CyberCubed* · 02-19-2009, 09:10 PM

From the Lloyd Goldfine interview at the comic con, the guy seems rather proud of the Turtle universe he created. If that guy is still at 4kids years later, I wonder if he would get the chance to continue where he left off. I'm also sure Peter Laird would rather see the 2k3 universe continue rather than another re-boot.

The fact that Pete took 2k3 elements like the Battle Nexus, Hun and the Ancient One and put them in the Mirage comics canon says a lot in itself.

They will almost market a TMNT toon at kids, there's no way around that. The 2k3 series had to be a re-boot because the original 80's cartoon was nothing like the Mirage source material, whereas the 2k3 series, although it changed a lot of stuff, still mostly adapted a lot of the early comics.

Its a damn shame when Bruce Timm can make the DCAU last 450 episodes and 14 years, yet Peter Laird and Lloyd Goldfine can't do the same for TMNT 2k3.

**Jester** · 02-19-2009, 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Its a damn shame when Bruce Timm can make the DCAU last 450 episodes and 14 years, yet Peter Laird and Lloyd Goldfine can't do the same for TMNT 2k3.

Yes...but there were gap in there...

Dragon Turtle · 02-19-2009, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jester

Yes...but there were gap in there...

No real gaps, just different properties.

*gobo* · 02-19-2009, 09:41 PM

Plus, it's just absurd to expect TMNT to fair as well as DC or Marvel franchises... even though they came close.

*Cipher* · 02-19-2009, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The fact that Pete took 2k3 elements like the Battle Nexus, Hun and the Ancient One and put them in the Mirage comics canon says a lot in itself.

When the hell did that happen?

Quote:

Its a damn shame when Bruce Timm can make the DCAU last 450 episodes and 14 years, yet Peter Laird and Lloyd Goldfine can't do the same for TMNT 2k3.

Me thinks it would help if the Turtles also had an extended universe spanning hundreds of different characters. Like The Question. The Question could make anything good.

TristanHuwJones · 02-19-2009, 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cipher

When the hell did that happen?

The Battlenexus has become a focus of Vol.4, The Ancient One appeared in the Leo movie prequel comic and Hun is going to be in Tales #56, 59 and 64.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cipher

Me thinks it would help if the Turtles also had an extended universe spanning hundreds of different characters. Like The Question. The Question could make anything good.

IF the comic sells well enough to continue into next year, I think you'll find that there'll be some expansion. I know Dan would like to see the rogues gallery expanded, and I'd like to bring back some one-off characters that've been used in the past (provided I can keep writing for Mirage if things do continue).

veemonjosh · 02-19-2009, 11:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Its a damn shame when Bruce Timm can make the DCAU last 450 episodes and 14 years, yet Peter Laird and Lloyd Goldfine can't do the same for TMNT 2k3.

Yes, but the DCAU was made up of several shows. TMNT 2K3 was just one, split up into three parts ala B:TAS.

I mean, did any of the individual DCAU shows last 158 episodes? No, so why complain?

*Cipher* · 02-19-2009, 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TristanHuwJones

The Battlenexus has become a focus of Vol.4, The Ancient One appeared in the Leo movie prequel comic and Hun is going to be in Tales #56, 59 and 64.

I knew about The Battle Nexus and Hun. The Ancient One was what got me, since CyberCubed said he'd been integrated into Mirage canon (which the movie prequels do not fall into).

**Jester** · 02-19-2009, 11:21 PM

Yes, but JLU and the DCAU takes in the entire DC Comics (which is a might redundant...

) Universe. The Mirage Universe is nowhere near that large. Though it would be cool to see other titles from Mirage based on the other characters from the universe, like the Justice Force.

*Andrew NDB* · 02-19-2009, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jester

Tristen really hit it by saying that the TMNT movies seem to imitate the other media, if the comic is the only media, could we expect a Mirage-esque movie?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cipher

Yeah, I totally remember that scene in the first movie when the guys all rushed into the Technodrome and...oh, wait.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cipher

I knew about The Battle Nexus and Hun. The Ancient One was what got me, since CyberCubed said he'd been integrated into Mirage canon (which the movie prequels do not fall into).

Correct. And if anyone says that the fourth movie is somehow compatible with the Mirage comic universe, I'm calling horsesh*t right now.

02-19-2009, 08:05 PM	#88
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,300	Tristen really hit it by saying that the TMNT movies seem to imitate the other media, if the comic is the only media, could we expect a Mirage-esque movie? __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

02-19-2009, 09:41 PM	#94
gobo Wacky Action Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: on Earth Posts: 12,784	Plus, it's just absurd to expect TMNT to fair as well as DC or Marvel franchises... even though they came close. __________________ Live and let live... or go to hell.

02-19-2009, 11:21 PM	#99
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,300	Yes, but JLU and the DCAU takes in the entire DC Comics (which is a might redundant...) Universe. The Mirage Universe is nowhere near that large. Though it would be cool to see other titles from Mirage based on the other characters from the universe, like the Justice Force. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

02-19-2009, 06:41 PM	#82
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,873	Which is what I'm saying, if 4kids is letting the franchise rest for awhile it doesn't matter, but if they ever feel TMNT is profitable again, I'd rather the new series be in continuity with Seasons 1-7 rather than being another re-boot. There is no reason to throw the universe they built up away just to do the same thing a second time, its still the same damn Mirage source material.

02-19-2009, 09:10 PM	#91
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,873	From the Lloyd Goldfine interview at the comic con, the guy seems rather proud of the Turtle universe he created. If that guy is still at 4kids years later, I wonder if he would get the chance to continue where he left off. I'm also sure Peter Laird would rather see the 2k3 universe continue rather than another re-boot. The fact that Pete took 2k3 elements like the Battle Nexus, Hun and the Ancient One and put them in the Mirage comics canon says a lot in itself. They will almost market a TMNT toon at kids, there's no way around that. The 2k3 series had to be a re-boot because the original 80's cartoon was nothing like the Mirage source material, whereas the 2k3 series, although it changed a lot of stuff, still mostly adapted a lot of the early comics. Its a damn shame when Bruce Timm can make the DCAU last 450 episodes and 14 years, yet Peter Laird and Lloyd Goldfine can't do the same for TMNT 2k3.