Teen Suspended from Christian School for Attending Girlfriend's Prom

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Peanut

"Playing by his own rules" just means he b*tches about the world a lot. And girls. He used to b*tch about girls more than Leo656 does about the WWE.

Funny you've done a fair share of that as well. Your really not one to talk.

Oh, also, he used to say people were poor for not being able to afford an HDTV.

And you used to call anyone who didn't agree with you about video games nasty names for no good reason.

We're all guilty of a little sin, get over it.

Originally Posted by shredder17

how absolute is your idea of "playing by my own rules" does it apply to how you post on this forum. Do you go by the rules of the board?

My idea of playing by "my own rules" has nothing to do with my own rules. I just make a point to know my rights and what power I have in certain situations so people can't walk all over me. It mainly applies to my college and jobs because a lot of people try to pull stuff on you.

Honestly I was just messing around but people around here have no sense of humor and take everything I say seriously for some odd reason. I guess you all think someone exists who would actually say something like
"I would have had sex with her while listening to metal on top of a bible, I'd video taped it, and made sure my school principle saw it."
and mean it.

[Peanut]

Originally Posted by Spitfire

Funny you've done a fair share of that as well. Your really not one to talk.

And you used to call anyone who didn't agree with you about video games nasty names for no good reason.

We're all guilty of a little sin, get over it.

I think I made a couple posts complaining about my relationship sucking for a bit, but I don't know if it compares to your epic tale with that Asian chick. Just saying! It was a joke btw.

And I still do that, man! It's my gimmick!

[shredder17]

thanks for the reply. i just like to understand different philosophies and world views.

[Cure]

Originally Posted by shredder17

thanks for the reply. i just like to understand different philosophies and world views.

Coming to a TMNT message board is just the place for that.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Peanut

I think I made a couple posts complaining about my relationship sucking for a bit, but I don't know if it compares to your epic tale with that Asian chick. Just saying! It was a joke btw.

I don't know if anything compares. I was being way overly dramatic and emo.

And I still do that, man! It's my gimmick!

Hey stick with what your good at I always say.

[Cipher]

Well, the school's a private institution, and it has the right to remove any of its students.

Pretty extreme though. As for theological debates, there's really nothing to discuss. The school was within its rights, but by no means does it represent Christianity or other Christian schools.

And I'm not religious at all.

[Candy Kappa]

well in my friends situations it's the only school that have the course she wanted to learn, unless she'd take a airplane each morining or move out to the other side of the country.
But due to some of the teachers making her school days a living hell she's dropping out and want to be a truck mechanic instead (her older sister is a car mechanic so she wants to do something bigger )

Hold the phone...

Unless a student is ditching school, shouldn't the school's rules not have power over a student who's not in school?

I mean, that's like getting detention because you got into a fist-fight during the weekend.


But then, I've never gone to a private religious school. So I guess their rules must be obeyed 24 hours, every day, any time of year. Even summer break.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Ryona

Hold the phone...

Unless a student is ditching school, shouldn't the school's rules not have power over a student who's not in school?

I mean, that's like getting detention because you got into a fist-fight during the weekend.


But then, I've never gone to a private religious school. So I guess their rules must be obeyed 24 hours, every day, any time of year. Even summer break.

she's ditching school after the incident. it was the last drop kinda thing

[BubblyShell22]

I would think that maybe the school found out about him going to prom if he told some of his friends about it. Then they forbade him to go, stating that he would be suspended. He disobeyed, and I think he should be punished for disobeying them. I'm not religious either, but I think religious schools are like any other schools, except they might be a bit stricter. The kid was warned, and he didn't heed it.

[Leonardo Mystic]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

I would think that maybe the school found out about him going to prom if he told some of his friends about it. Then they forbade him to go, stating that he would be suspended. He disobeyed, and I think he should be punished for disobeying them. I'm not religious either, but I think religious schools are like any other schools, except they might be a bit stricter. The kid was warned, and he didn't heed it.

School should not dictate your personal life. The school has no authority to tell anyone what to do off school grounds. It's absurd. Religious schools are not like any other schools either. They have a different set of rules entirely, but those rules should apply only inside the school, not outside it.

This kid is being wrongly punished for what? Going to a prom with his girlfriend at her school. Since when has this become a crime? It's throwing out the baby with the bathwater.

[Cipher]

Originally Posted by Leonardo Mystic

School should not dictate your personal life. The school has no authority to tell anyone what to do off school grounds. It's absurd.

Absurd it may be, but as far as I'm aware, well within the school's authority. If this was a public school it absolutely wouldn't fly. But as a private institution it has the right to refuse patronage of any individual for any reason.

Unless someone can tell me otherwise.

[Spitfire]

Originally Posted by Ryona

Unless a student is ditching school, shouldn't the school's rules not have power over a student who's not in school?

The way it works with public school is such. The school is responsible for you from the time you leave your house in the morning to go there until the time you get home. Now if your parent drops you off and picks you up all liability is dropped. However if you walk then school jurisdiction is still looming over you. Anything you do the school is liable for so if you deface property the school gets in trouble for it too. If you get in a fight before you get home then you can get in trouble with the school as well.

That's how it worked when I went anyways. They used to always tells us, do whatever you want just make sure you go home first. The way to tell if you've "gone home" was usually if you had a backpack or not. So kids who would cut would stuff them in lockers and try to pass off as seniors who had senior opens.

I had this all explained to me when cops used to insist on wasting my time by stopping me because I got out of school at lunch time my senior year. I worked extra hard to I could go home early my last year and I got harassed for it.

[Tuxedo Moroboshi]

Well, even though I think these rules are completely ridiculous (it's not like he had sex with the girl or anything), the school has every right to uphold them. Like others have said, it's a private schools. Either you play by their rules or GTFO. It's not the same as a public school. They expect you to commit to these rules, otherwise you're not taking the school seriously. And if you're not taking the school seriously, why bother to even attend?

It's a shame that this had to happen so close to graduation, but rules are rules. Even though this happened outside of the school, it's still part of the schools rules, and if a person really has a problem with the rules, they shouldn't even be going to that school in the first place. There's other schools out there with far more lenient rules, afterall.

On the other hand, it's likely that the kid was sent there by his parents and didn't have any interest in that school himself. In which case, I'd say the blame actually lies with the parents. Still, there might be more to all of this than meets the eye. We can't fully discern the situation without knowing anything about what the parties involved are like. We're really just working on assumptions of their character. Do we really know if this kid is actually a rebellious youth, as so many of us have painted him, or could it be that he's actually someone that followed the schools rules to the letter, but snuck out for this because he truly wanted to be with his girlfriend?

There's a lot of things to consider, and while many of us may not like the rules this particular school had, the bottom line still comes down to this: The school has a right to do what it did, as stupidly strict as what it did might be.

[ThirdMarioBro]

Ugh...that's why I get so disgusted every time I see a religious fundamentalist --especially the young ones. Spiritual belief is cool. Hell, religion is fine, but nothing bothers me more than a teenage fundamentalist. It's such a waste of good youth. They're trained from birth to start praying for forgiveness every time blood rushes to their genitals because their parents are so deathly afraid to admit they have monkey DNA. Everything has an extreme, and this is an example.

If they were holding hands within the school the school would (as much as it hurts to say it) have been within their rights. But he did it in his personal life, which is why this debate is here. It's a gross abuse of power.

And what's with this belief that men and women can't touch each other until they're married? Ever wonder why the divorce rate is so damn high? They treat marriage like a contract. Well, if it's a contract, then you shouldn't you try before you buy? I pity kids that got to that school and ones like them. I mostly viewed practices like theirs as an outsider as I went to a Christian school myself for several years to get out of the also broken public system (you get sh*t wherever you go), but refused to live by their bullsh*t outside the school. His school apparently has Christian watchdog police or something.

I always found it hilariously hypocritical that the Church decries homosexuality as a mortal sin, but then do everything they possibly can to keep the sexes from intermingling. Just funny on so many levels.

Originally Posted by Spitfire

Honestly making standard high school relationship practice a taboo subject is only going to make it that much more desirable to the average teenager.

Which is the same reason why the drug war is so stupid.

[Tuxedo Moroboshi]

Ya know, I'm not exactly the most religious person around, but I really don't think people should generalize so much. Just because one Christian does something, it doesn't mean all Christians are that way. This is actually the first I've ever heard of anything this strict, outside of satire.

I dunno, I'm not an expert on any religion, but theological beliefs aside, lumping the actions of all Christians together seems to be about the same as saying all Black people are gang members, or all Hispanics work in fast food.

To me, this just seems like the people in charge of the school are unreasonable. I don't think it's because they're Christian, so much that I think they're just very authoritative to the extreme.

[ThirdMarioBro]

I'm not lumping all Christians together. There's many on this board who are just as level headed as the next person, and I totally respect that. What I'm lumping together are the "extremists", aka the people who take a religion and run it to the far reaching ends of intolerance, and those can come from most any religion or faith. The people who run that school are (specifically) Christian extremists, but that doesn't necessarily mean I'm relating them to any normal, level-headed Christian out there.

Sorry if I wasn't clear enough there.

[Tuxedo Moroboshi]

Nah, I guess I just misinterpreted.

[shredder17]

by what universal standards do you use to be disgusted by fundamentalist christians? is your view subjective opinion or objective truth? if your views are true then biblical christianity is wrong and you would be justified in being disgusted at young christians praying and staying sexually pure till marriage. if the God of the bible exists then fundamentalist christianity would the objective truth we would all be accountiable to. do you think christians believe homosexuality is wrong because they hate homosexuals or because they are trying to be consistant with biblical teachings? a "fundamentalist christian" is someone who believes that there is absolute, universal, objective and moral truth that the universe is founded upon and that biblical christianity is the highest and most logically consistant worldview. why would it be wrong to be an extremist if you had a perfect philosophy? my understanding of an extremist is a person who takes a view to its logical ends and i believe if you hold views that you cant draw them out logically, why hold them? i am not an extremist with my personal prefrences or opinions but if i believe murdering children is wrong, why not hold strong views on it?

[The Stryker]

......What?