Obama Awarded 2009 Nobel Peace Prize - Page 3

**GK Punk** · 10-11-2009, 04:54 AM

I've seen the video!

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 10-11-2009, 08:06 AM

Wasn't Adolf Hitler speculated to win in 1938 or something because of the 1938 Munich Agreement? In 1939, he should at least win the Nobel War Prize.

PAAATE · 10-11-2009, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by J 1982

Wasn't Adolf Hitler speculated to win in 1938 or something because of the 1938 Munich Agreement? In 1939, he should at least win the Nobel War Prize.

Don't know about that, but I know that he was nominated in 1939

Though, to be fair, it's enough that one person, anyone, nominates someone, then that person's a nominee, so the nominations doesn't always reflect the peace prize committees views

Type 97 Chi-ha · 10-11-2009, 09:57 AM

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I just mean I think with the way people react negativley to EVERYTHING he does, if he declined it a lot of the same people attacking him for accepting it, would attack him for turning it down. Not all, but you have to admit that there is a lot of people that attack him for the sake of it.

Yes, there are people who attack Obama for anything he does. But there are people who think he can do no wrong too. But I don't buy the claim that most of his attackers would have criticized him for refusing the award. Accepting it just made him look foolish and arrogant and given his enemies a new reason to attack him. Refusing it would have cost Obama's enemies a potential reason to attack him.

*Anarky* · 10-11-2009, 11:07 AM

I'm willing to bet you'd have called him an arrogant asshole regardless of what he did.

Also, do you really think that you can convince anyone of your opinion when you repeat the same arguments ad absurdum and aren't even willing to entertain that there are other opinions around? Simmer down and then we'll talk.

Type 97 Chi-ha · 10-11-2009, 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Anarky

I'm willing to bet you'd have called him an arrogant asshole regardless of what he did.

Also, do you really think that you can convince anyone of your opinion when you repeat the same arguments ad absurdum and aren't even willing to entertain that there are other opinions around? Simmer down and then we'll talk.

Who's being angry? When did I call Obama any names? All I did is say that Obama made a stupid gaffe in accepting the award, and I stand by that. Deal.

**GK Punk** · 10-11-2009, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Type 97 Chi-ha

Yes, there are people who attack Obama for anything he does. But there are people who think he can do no wrong too. But I don't buy the claim that most of his attackers would have criticized him for refusing the award. Accepting it just made him look foolish and arrogant and given his enemies a new reason to attack him. Refusing it would have cost Obama's enemies a potential reason to attack him.

I agree there are people on both sides of that. That's why I'm pretty sure the ones who complain about everything would have complained no matter what he did with the award.

Although, I haven't seen anyone yet say he deserved it come to think of it. I supported the guy a lot more until the last couple of months, but even I think it's silly of him to have it.

*Ninjinister* · 10-11-2009, 02:50 PM

Nn. I don't think I've seen anybody, anywhere - 'round these parts or otherwise, that said he did deserve it. This isn't a matter of whether you support him or not, it's just the fact that he didn't really do anything that warranted it - and apparently individuals on both sides are able to see that.

Type 97 Chi-ha · 10-11-2009, 04:10 PM

I may not think much of Obama, but I certainly would have expected him to have the sense to decline it. If he had, he would have won some brownie points, even from his enemies, for acknowledging that he should not accept honors he never earned. Now he's got something that's going to dog him for the rest of his Presidency, and a new excuse for his enemies to ridicule him.

*Cipher* · 10-11-2009, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Peanut

I don't know how sh*t works down there, but...is it common to vote for someone you "generally" support? That seems...not right to me.

You're right. Since I don't agree with Obama on every single issue, I should have voted for the McCain/Palin ticket, with whom I shared even less views. Or I should have voted for an obscure third party which had no chance of winning in a two-party system, effectively strengthening the afore mentioned Republican ticket. How could I have been so naive? I must have fogotten that the ballot is supposed to be an anonymous moral pulpit without considering any practical ramifications.

~~Leo656~~ · 10-11-2009, 05:05 PM

Political debates rule. This stuff is why nobody at work talks to me.

But yeah, since everybody's a liar, a thief and a con artist, voting for someone you "generally" support based on what they *say* they stand for is really all one can do. Some of the more educated observers try and judge a person by a record of past deeds (or misdeeds), but even that isn't always an accurate way to pick sides b/c once a person gets elected to something, they usually have to pay a ton of money (and/or favors) back to the people who actually got them elected in the first place, and then they're nothing but a dog to the special interests and corporations.

So yeah, all anyone can do is pick your poison and hope they don't screw things up TOO badly once in office.

As for Obama turning down the Prize, I don't think he would've or should have to, it's just a sad joke he was even nominated in the first place. Especially since he's one of the most polarizing American figures to come along in years, at least in America itself.

*Hannah* · 10-12-2009, 01:44 AM

Everyone read this and shut the f*ck up, you whiny assholes.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/node/7223

~~Leo656~~ · 10-12-2009, 02:25 AM

Thanks for reminding me he voted against Iraq; now I have yet another reason to dislike him...

Serioiusly though, what if you're like me and you don't believe peace can possibly exist as anything but an abstract concept? What if you believe that war is always gonna be part of the human condition, and that humanity is far too selfish and corrupt to ever possibly live in harmony? That idealists like Obama are only fooling themselves (and opening America up to a very dangerous set of circumstances in the process)? Kinda complicates things, doesn't it?

Anybody replying with some variation of "shut up/go away/your opinion is stupid" would only prove my point... It's just that not everyone seriously believes that the world's problems would go away if we'd all just hold hands and sing "Kumbaya", and it doesn't make a person stupid. Just realistic.

PAAATE · 10-12-2009, 04:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

It's just that not everyone seriously believes that the world's problems would go away if we'd all just hold hands and sing "Kumbaya", and it doesn't make a person stupid. Just realistic.

Not realistic in my world

I believe that worldwide peace can be achieved - it wouldn't be easy and it won't happen for a while - but we can get there.

poiuytre · 10-12-2009, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Cipher Classic

Or I should have voted for an obscure third party which had no chance of winning in a two-party system

This is kind of a whole different subject altogether, but isn't that line of thought the entire reason why other parties don't have a chance?

Type 97 Chi-ha · 10-12-2009, 08:13 AM

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Everyone read this and shut the f*ck up, you whiny assholes.

http://www.politicususa.com/en/node/7223

I gave up about halfway through because it was so ludicrous. It's a load of pure partisan propaganda that is meant for the less intelligent members of society to take seriously. Now that Obama's President, America is popular again! Yeah, right. Why not travel around the world and find out what's really going on?

*Hannah* · 10-12-2009, 11:05 AM

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Serioiusly though, what if you're like me and you don't believe peace can possibly exist as anything but an abstract concept?

That's a whole different argument.

We're talking about the Nobel Peace Prize and whether or not Obama deserved it, not if peace could exist.

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Originally Posted by Type 97 Chi-ha

I gave up about halfway through because it was so ludicrous. It's a load of pure partisan propaganda that is meant for the less intelligent members of society to take seriously. Now that Obama's President, America is popular again! Yeah, right. Why not travel around the world and find out what's really going on?

Although this has already been established, just because someone disagrees with you, it doesn't make them less intelligent. You are absolutely ridiculous.

*XERO* · 10-12-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by PAAATE

Not realistic in my world

I believe that worldwide peace can be achieved - it wouldn't be easy and it won't happen for a while - but we can get there.

Reason why the planet hasn't blown up yet... people get sleepy.

Type 97 Chi-ha · 10-12-2009, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Hannah

Although this has already been established, just because someone disagrees with you, it doesn't make them less intelligent. You are absolutely ridiculous.

I quote from the article:

"I still have the Election Nightmare, wherein McCain Palin won. And there’s nowhere to go in the entire world to get away from the impact of their erratic, reckless temperaments. It’s terrifying. In the daylight, I comfort myself with the reality that Palin won’t be riding a purple dinosaur -- with Jesus strapped to her back -- into the White House any time soon. But we did elect W, and so it can happen again. Vigilance is required."

I can respect an intelligently-written opinion I disagree with. Intelligent writers, however, don't write like this.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 10-12-2009, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by PAAATE

Don't know about that, but I know that he was nominated in 1939

Though, to be fair, it's enough that one person, anyone, nominates someone, then that person's a nominee, so the nominations doesn't always reflect the peace prize committees views

That's probably what I talked about, just the wrong year.

10-11-2009, 08:06 AM	#42
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,481	Adolf Hitler, Nobel Peace Prize and Nobel War Prize Wasn't Adolf Hitler speculated to win in 1938 or something because of the 1938 Munich Agreement? In 1939, he should at least win the Nobel War Prize.

10-11-2009, 11:07 AM	#45
Anarky Outlaw Hero Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Tannhauser Gate Posts: 4,867	I'm willing to bet you'd have called him an arrogant asshole regardless of what he did. Also, do you really think that you can convince anyone of your opinion when you repeat the same arguments ad absurdum and aren't even willing to entertain that there are other opinions around? Simmer down and then we'll talk. __________________ Because it's... I dunno... brutal.

10-11-2009, 02:50 PM	#48
Ninjinister 無問題 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Moesko Island, WA Posts: 14,348	Nn. I don't think I've seen anybody, anywhere - 'round these parts or otherwise, that said he did deserve it. This isn't a matter of whether you support him or not, it's just the fact that he didn't really do anything that warranted it - and apparently individuals on both sides are able to see that. __________________

10-12-2009, 01:44 AM	#52
Hannah Once more, with feeling! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,111	Everyone read this and shut the f*ck up, you whiny assholes. http://www.politicususa.com/en/node/7223 __________________

10-11-2009, 04:54 AM	#41
GK Punk I'm your Devil Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,439	I've seen the video!

10-11-2009, 04:10 PM	#49
Type 97 Chi-ha Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Brookfield, IL Posts: 1,333	I may not think much of Obama, but I certainly would have expected him to have the sense to decline it. If he had, he would have won some brownie points, even from his enemies, for acknowledging that he should not accept honors he never earned. Now he's got something that's going to dog him for the rest of his Presidency, and a new excuse for his enemies to ridicule him.

10-11-2009, 05:05 PM	#51
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Political debates rule. This stuff is why nobody at work talks to me. But yeah, since everybody's a liar, a thief and a con artist, voting for someone you "generally" support based on what they say they stand for is really all one can do. Some of the more educated observers try and judge a person by a record of past deeds (or misdeeds), but even that isn't always an accurate way to pick sides b/c once a person gets elected to something, they usually have to pay a ton of money (and/or favors) back to the people who actually got them elected in the first place, and then they're nothing but a dog to the special interests and corporations. So yeah, all anyone can do is pick your poison and hope they don't screw things up TOO badly once in office. As for Obama turning down the Prize, I don't think he would've or should have to, it's just a sad joke he was even nominated in the first place. Especially since he's one of the most polarizing American figures to come along in years, at least in America itself.

10-12-2009, 02:25 AM	#53
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Thanks for reminding me he voted against Iraq; now I have yet another reason to dislike him... Serioiusly though, what if you're like me and you don't believe peace can possibly exist as anything but an abstract concept? What if you believe that war is always gonna be part of the human condition, and that humanity is far too selfish and corrupt to ever possibly live in harmony? That idealists like Obama are only fooling themselves (and opening America up to a very dangerous set of circumstances in the process)? Kinda complicates things, doesn't it? Anybody replying with some variation of "shut up/go away/your opinion is stupid" would only prove my point... It's just that not everyone seriously believes that the world's problems would go away if we'd all just hold hands and sing "Kumbaya", and it doesn't make a person stupid. Just realistic.