Any Sonic fans here? - Page 7

**Shredder** · 02-05-2010, 01:39 AM

I agree that this is a step in the right direction if Sega is going continue making Sonic games. I haven't played any of the newer Sonic games since the Adventure games and Heroes, but nothing I've heard about any of the newer games has made me want to play them.

I'm looking forward to getting more info on the new game, but hope the gameplay is more like the original Sonic games (1-3 and S&K) than any of those GameBoy and DS games. For some reason, those handheld 2-D Sonic games were definitely missing the "feel" of the originals. I hope this is the game that finally breaks the Sonic Cycle, but right now my hope is still tentative...

**ThirdMarioBro** · 02-05-2010, 05:12 AM

That "feel" you speak of is the stage design. All of those TERRIBLE Game Boy/DS titles were built like race tracks where you just held down right, save for jumping over the occasional bottomless pit you had to jump over. There was little "platforming". Just a lot of running to the right, hitting auto spring boards and zipping through endless loops. It looks cool, but its boring as hell to play.

The original Sonic titles were always platformers first. Speed was the reward to learning the fastest line through the stage. As you got better at the game, you could run Sonic through the stage is shorter, faster times. You felt good about yourself. Nowadays, Sega is more obsessed with just holding that pace throughout the entire game, which makes for the most boring experience imaginable.

And that right there is exactly what could kill this for me. It bothers me that they didn't really let us see any stage design. If this is a platformer in the design stamp of the old classics (which to be fair is what they're touting here), then great. If its Sonic Rush Retro, then I'm out.

Until then, I'm VERY cautiously optimistic.

**Shredder** · 02-13-2010, 01:58 AM

Good info- agreed on all points. Any word on whether any of the original creators are involved in the new project?

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Originally Posted by ThirdMarioBro

That "feel" you speak of is the stage design. All of those TERRIBLE Game Boy/DS titles were built like race tracks where you just held down right, save for jumping over the occasional bottomless pit you had to jump over. There was little "platforming". Just a lot of running to the right, hitting auto spring boards and zipping through endless loops. It looks cool, but its boring as hell to play.

The original Sonic titles were always platformers first. Speed was the reward to learning the fastest line through the stage. As you got better at the game, you could run Sonic through the stage is shorter, faster times. You felt good about yourself. Nowadays, Sega is more obsessed with just holding that pace throughout the entire game, which makes for the most boring experience imaginable.

And that right there is exactly what could kill this for me. It bothers me that they didn't really let us see any stage design. If this is a platformer in the design stamp of the old classics (which to be fair is what they're touting here), then great. If its Sonic Rush Retro, then I'm out.

Until then, I'm VERY cautiously optimistic.

*Ninjinister* · 02-17-2010, 12:33 AM

Time to cry emo fanboy tears

http://kotaku.com/5473427/sega-not-developing-sonic-4

*Brodie* · 02-17-2010, 01:48 AM

Why would they cry? The pedigree on that company is way better than Sonic Team's resume for the last few years.

*Cure* · 02-17-2010, 02:55 AM

Awesome, I loved Sonic Rush.

**ThirdMarioBro** · 02-17-2010, 03:27 AM

Figured as much. Looks terrible. The jumping physics are clearly recycled Sonic Rush being shoehorned into a mock old-school environment, and it also looks glitchy. He's standing on a ramp incline in that video, and can't even make it though a basic loop. The music sounds completely unoriginal, and the level design seems to be based on speed ramps (again, ala Sonic Rush).

The only saving grace here is that Dimps (Sonic Advance, and half of Street Fighter IV) is the developer. They've got some cred, but their Sonic games are mostly based on roller coaster design. It should be decent, but its not going to be Sonic the Hedgehog 4. Its going to be Sonic Rush 2 with a casino and checkered hills.

*Cure* · 02-17-2010, 12:20 PM

No, I'm pretty sure the name of the game is Sonic the Hedgehog 4, dipsh*t..

*Brodie* · 02-17-2010, 12:23 PM

TMB being dissatisfied just sold a copy of the game to me. I'm in.

*Anarchistguy* · 02-17-2010, 01:29 PM

I'm in, too. I REALLY don't see what's wrong with this. So Dimps is the developper in this... BOO HOO!!! I actually enjoyed the Sonic Rush games and they made STREET FIGHTER IV. why not Sonic 4 as well?

As for my thoughts, I'll quote this post:

"I don't understand the collective dismissal of Dimps. Ignoring the fact that their developmental capabilities extend beyond speed, what with Advance 1 and all, I'm sure they're still contractually obligated to do whatever Sega says at the end of the day; Thus, Rush probably would've been Rush regardless of who developed it. Now, if Sega's given them the permissions and assets to develop a game in the classic vein, I don't see any reason why we can't trust them to deliver something good, if not great.

I feel as if people are too quick to associate the developer's name with Rush and subsequently speed, and thus are shooting the messenger before he can even step foot in town."

*Brodie* · 02-17-2010, 01:51 PM

Dimps' Sonic games are way better than Sega and Sonic teams hedgehog games since Sonic Adventure 2.

TMB is just a drama queen.

*Ninjinister* · 02-17-2010, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Brodie

Why would they cry? The pedigree on that company is way better than Sonic Team's resume for the last few years.

Hey, I agree. I enjoyed the limited time I spent with Sonic Rush, and I really loved the Advance series.

I just figured that TMB wasn't the only one who would be disappointed by the news.

*Turo602* · 02-17-2010, 04:18 PM

What the F**K!!! Sonic is Sega! I still enjoyed the Rush and Advance series but Come on!!!

*The Stryker* · 02-17-2010, 04:49 PM

Such anger, like they didn't expect something weird to be revealed.

*Brodie* · 02-17-2010, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Turo602

What the F**K!!! Sega is Sonic!

I think....that should be reversed. Sonic is...Sega, I guess. Because they own the property...Sonic does not own Sega...the company.

*Turo602* · 02-17-2010, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brodie

I think....that should be reversed. Sonic is...Sega, I guess. Because they own the property...Sonic does not own Sega...the company.

My mistake knew there was something wrong with that

**Krang** · 02-18-2010, 03:49 AM

Considering what they did with SFIV, Dimps has the potential to (co-)develop great games, so I'm not disappointed by the news at all. I personally found the Sonic Advance and Sonic Rush series to be mediocre and lacking in replay value, but like Brodie said, they were still better than what Sonic Team has had to offer lately. If they can design the levels more like the Genesis games and put some more badniks in there (unlike the mostly empty levels in the Advance and Rush games), I think the game has a decent chance of turning out good.

*XERO* · 02-18-2010, 07:19 AM

I'm gonna play it regardless. It's been a while since I played Sonic material anyway.

BTW, Tony Atlas's laugh should be the death jingle in the new game.

**ThirdMarioBro** · 02-18-2010, 11:24 AM

Dimps is a fine developer, and I'm sure that this game will be decent, but I can't see it being worthy of the title Sonic 4. Sonic Advance 1 was a good game. I enjoyed it, but it wasn't Genesis-era worthy. Sonic Advance 2 was a pile of sh*t. The game was one giant race track. Sonic Advance 3 was better, but still under par. Rush was a frigging roller coaster with the occasional jump and bottomless pit and literally no branching paths, and Rush Adventure was just the same sh*t with a strung out kiddie story.

This is Sonic 4: direct sequel to one of the five greatest platformers ever made. My standards are pretty high here. Dimps is great, and I'm sure they could make a terrific purist Sonic title. That's an established fact. But Dimps (like Anarchistguy said) is subservient to Sega's whims. Sega views this as a retro throwback. They want to make a classic Sonic game from the perspective of a modern Sonic fan, and the modern Sonic fan expects speed at any cost. Already from that leaked video I can see the stages are designed based around speed ramps. That's the same old lack of imagination in stage design we've been fed for a decade now. Maybe things will look better as we move along. I really hope so.

I'm hoping that music is placeholder as well. I remember when Rush was shown at E3, the music included was placeholder and completely different from the finished product. I hope the same applies here, because the stuff they've got is terrible in comparison to the legacy they're trying to extend.

*Cure* · 02-18-2010, 12:13 PM

Life is too precious to take everything so seriously, right?

02-05-2010, 01:39 AM	#121
Shredder Admin/Layton Apprentice Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Isla Nublar Posts: 481	I agree that this is a step in the right direction if Sega is going continue making Sonic games. I haven't played any of the newer Sonic games since the Adventure games and Heroes, but nothing I've heard about any of the newer games has made me want to play them. I'm looking forward to getting more info on the new game, but hope the gameplay is more like the original Sonic games (1-3 and S&K) than any of those GameBoy and DS games. For some reason, those handheld 2-D Sonic games were definitely missing the "feel" of the originals. I hope this is the game that finally breaks the Sonic Cycle, but right now my hope is still tentative... __________________ "Well, actually, I always wanted to be a writer. Being a ruthless conqueror was my second choice." --Shredder, Take Me to Your Leader

02-05-2010, 05:12 AM	#122
ThirdMarioBro Tea Time! Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,905	That "feel" you speak of is the stage design. All of those TERRIBLE Game Boy/DS titles were built like race tracks where you just held down right, save for jumping over the occasional bottomless pit you had to jump over. There was little "platforming". Just a lot of running to the right, hitting auto spring boards and zipping through endless loops. It looks cool, but its boring as hell to play. The original Sonic titles were always platformers first. Speed was the reward to learning the fastest line through the stage. As you got better at the game, you could run Sonic through the stage is shorter, faster times. You felt good about yourself. Nowadays, Sega is more obsessed with just holding that pace throughout the entire game, which makes for the most boring experience imaginable. And that right there is exactly what could kill this for me. It bothers me that they didn't really let us see any stage design. If this is a platformer in the design stamp of the old classics (which to be fair is what they're touting here), then great. If its Sonic Rush Retro, then I'm out. Until then, I'm VERY cautiously optimistic. __________________

02-17-2010, 12:33 AM	#124
Ninjinister 無問題 Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Moesko Island, WA Posts: 14,348	Time to cry emo fanboy tears http://kotaku.com/5473427/sega-not-developing-sonic-4 __________________

02-17-2010, 01:48 AM	#125
Brodie Certified Teacher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Bizarro Metropolis Posts: 6,495	Why would they cry? The pedigree on that company is way better than Sonic Team's resume for the last few years. __________________ Stupendous Monster

02-17-2010, 02:55 AM	#126
Cure Y'all need Jesus Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 8,938	Awesome, I loved Sonic Rush. __________________

02-17-2010, 03:27 AM	#127
ThirdMarioBro Tea Time! Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,905	Figured as much. Looks terrible. The jumping physics are clearly recycled Sonic Rush being shoehorned into a mock old-school environment, and it also looks glitchy. He's standing on a ramp incline in that video, and can't even make it though a basic loop. The music sounds completely unoriginal, and the level design seems to be based on speed ramps (again, ala Sonic Rush). The only saving grace here is that Dimps (Sonic Advance, and half of Street Fighter IV) is the developer. They've got some cred, but their Sonic games are mostly based on roller coaster design. It should be decent, but its not going to be Sonic the Hedgehog 4. Its going to be Sonic Rush 2 with a casino and checkered hills. __________________

02-17-2010, 12:20 PM	#128
Cure Y'all need Jesus Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 8,938	No, I'm pretty sure the name of the game is Sonic the Hedgehog 4, dipsh*t.. __________________

02-17-2010, 12:23 PM	#129
Brodie Certified Teacher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Bizarro Metropolis Posts: 6,495	TMB being dissatisfied just sold a copy of the game to me. I'm in. __________________ Stupendous Monster

02-17-2010, 01:29 PM	#130
Anarchistguy Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Canada (This country is too peaceful, Something's up...) Posts: 2,137	I'm in, too. I REALLY don't see what's wrong with this. So Dimps is the developper in this... BOO HOO!!! I actually enjoyed the Sonic Rush games and they made STREET FIGHTER IV. why not Sonic 4 as well? As for my thoughts, I'll quote this post: "I don't understand the collective dismissal of Dimps. Ignoring the fact that their developmental capabilities extend beyond speed, what with Advance 1 and all, I'm sure they're still contractually obligated to do whatever Sega says at the end of the day; Thus, Rush probably would've been Rush regardless of who developed it. Now, if Sega's given them the permissions and assets to develop a game in the classic vein, I don't see any reason why we can't trust them to deliver something good, if not great. I feel as if people are too quick to associate the developer's name with Rush and subsequently speed, and thus are shooting the messenger before he can even step foot in town." __________________ M.D.K. Maim! Destroy! Kill!!! "When my time comes, I wanna be buried face down, so those who don't like me can kiss my ass!"

02-17-2010, 01:51 PM	#131
Brodie Certified Teacher Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Bizarro Metropolis Posts: 6,495	Dimps' Sonic games are way better than Sega and Sonic teams hedgehog games since Sonic Adventure 2. TMB is just a drama queen. __________________ Stupendous Monster

02-17-2010, 04:18 PM	#133
Turo602 The King of Kings Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Chicago Illinois Posts: 2,931	What the F*K!!! Sonic is Sega! I still enjoyed the Rush and Advance series but Come on!!! __________________ Last edited by Turo602; 02-18-2010 at 03:36 PM.*

02-17-2010, 04:49 PM	#134
The Stryker Stupid Rich Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Room 237 Posts: 11,152	Such anger, like they didn't expect something weird to be revealed. __________________ @~<3 Mom~@

02-18-2010, 03:49 AM	#137
Krang Admin and Sega Guru Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Dimension X Posts: 3,755	Considering what they did with SFIV, Dimps has the potential to (co-)develop great games, so I'm not disappointed by the news at all. I personally found the Sonic Advance and Sonic Rush series to be mediocre and lacking in replay value, but like Brodie said, they were still better than what Sonic Team has had to offer lately. If they can design the levels more like the Genesis games and put some more badniks in there (unlike the mostly empty levels in the Advance and Rush games), I think the game has a decent chance of turning out good. __________________ "My motherboard's microchips are chomping at the... 'bit'. A little computer humor." --Krang, Welcome Back, Polarisoids

02-18-2010, 07:19 AM	#138
XERO Hybrid Theorist Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Alamo City Posts: 8,185	I'm gonna play it regardless. It's been a while since I played Sonic material anyway. BTW, Tony Atlas's laugh should be the death jingle in the new game. __________________ "Travel at the speed of light... then hit the nitro!"

02-18-2010, 11:24 AM	#139
ThirdMarioBro Tea Time! Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 8,905	Dimps is a fine developer, and I'm sure that this game will be decent, but I can't see it being worthy of the title Sonic 4. Sonic Advance 1 was a good game. I enjoyed it, but it wasn't Genesis-era worthy. Sonic Advance 2 was a pile of sht. The game was one giant race track. Sonic Advance 3 was better, but still under par. Rush was a frigging roller coaster with the occasional jump and bottomless pit and literally no branching paths, and Rush Adventure was just the same sht with a strung out kiddie story. This is Sonic 4: direct sequel to one of the five greatest platformers ever made. My standards are pretty high here. Dimps is great, and I'm sure they could make a terrific purist Sonic title. That's an established fact. But Dimps (like Anarchistguy said) is subservient to Sega's whims. Sega views this as a retro throwback. They want to make a classic Sonic game from the perspective of a modern Sonic fan, and the modern Sonic fan expects speed at any cost. Already from that leaked video I can see the stages are designed based around speed ramps. That's the same old lack of imagination in stage design we've been fed for a decade now. Maybe things will look better as we move along. I really hope so. I'm hoping that music is placeholder as well. I remember when Rush was shown at E3, the music included was placeholder and completely different from the finished product. I hope the same applies here, because the stuff they've got is terrible in comparison to the legacy they're trying to extend. __________________

02-18-2010, 12:13 PM	#140
Cure Y'all need Jesus Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 8,938	Life is too precious to take everything so seriously, right? __________________