Back when the 80’s toon came out.

Mona_Lisa · 02-12-2010, 01:32 PM

A lot of people think the OT was too silly, or corny (not me). Do you guys remember though, when The OT just came out how people said they were too violent, and how it taught children violence?
I am a Religious person, and my husband comes from a VERY religious family. My mother in law (Bless her heart) found out I like the ninja turtles and flipped out.
“ The ninja turtles teach children to be rebellious, the use slang, they are too violent, this preacher says this”… and so on.
Maybe stuff like this is why the toon ended up using so much slap stick?
Anyway, without bashing religion what are you guys thoughts on this? Can you remember someone saying stuff like this back in the day?

Sorry if this post is in the wrong place.

*Luzmagica* · 02-12-2010, 01:58 PM

Well, in my child-years nobody tell me/ I never hear.. about they were violent cartoons...always were stories about good boys and bad boys...and won the good boys....so I never hear about commentaries taught children violence...
The first time I hear about that, was when I know about the change the name "ninja" for "hero" at UK

....but never talking stuff like violence at my country ...in my opinion...

*Powder* · 02-12-2010, 02:52 PM

I do remember a book called 'Ninja turtles exposed' which said april oneil acted too provocatively & her character design would teach young boys to.. I don't know, like, stare at her breasts (they worded it differently). Also of course the nunchuku were considered a lethal weapon in several states so advocating its use was questionable to some adults. Another note, in an issue of the archie comics series some manic christian said the comic would corrupt him & his younger brother for having mentioned zen within its pages. People will bastardize anything if they look hard enough. Its just a case of over analytic parents. I would love to bash religion for its faults but hey, I'll leave that one alone.

Canadian Turtle · 02-12-2010, 03:57 PM

I can totally remember the worry in the adult community when the show came out. But look where that got us, no good cartoon content anymore, and a bunch of over sheltered kids lacking moral code and an ability to deal with anything harder than going to the bathroom by themselves.

I too will attempt to hold my tong in respect of your request against religious bashing. I would not disrespectfully "bash" per say as I am a very opened minded and accepting individual, however as with anyone have my own opinions regarding the overall subject. I will point out however, that this woman in question seems to be worried about kids being rebellious, this in itself is very indicative and deeply bread into religious culture to be utterly terrified of change, straying from the conservative reform, anything that is different, anything they do not understand. Thus totally within itself puts someone worried about such things as opened mindedness and choosing ones path in a very ignorant state of being. I only feel sorry for someone so controlled and oppressed that they worry so much about someones choices, beliefs, and values as if it really affected them in any way.

In short, even though we should not show our children inappropriate things (which Turtles are far from), we should ease up on the control we set in place, and if you are old enough to be married... I would think you would be old enough to enjoy anything you damn well wanted within reason and it not affect your relationships poorly like that, I feel for you!

*Scandia* · 02-12-2010, 04:25 PM

I grew up in a VERY religious family- and my folks had no issue with the Turtles. In fact, my brother had a lot of the toys.

These criticisms sound very similar to those given to Roald Dahl's books- that they teach children to be rebellious and disobey authority figures. I kind of disagree with this- some of the authority figures in Roald Dahl's books are very kind and the kids do love and obey them.

*ToTheNines* · 02-12-2010, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mona_Lisa

Maybe stuff like this is why the toon ended up using so much slap stick?

It always was slapstick.

It was just under so much scrutiny because of it's popularity, so people tried to blame it for kids problems. Much like video games get accused of breeding murderers.

*gobo* · 02-12-2010, 05:29 PM

When I was 10, I heard that nonsense for the first time from my physical therapist. When she heard that I watch the show (though I was slightly embarassed to admit it since it was in its third season, the height of its silliness if you ask me), she immediately got all up in arms about it. She said something about her son taking sticks role-playing Ninja Turtles with his friends (Donatello fan, I'm sure... "I wike dee one wif dee stiks"

) and someone would always get hurt. Although I knew better than to say it out loud, it was on the tip of my tongue: "gosh, I'm sorry your kid has to be such a dumbass".

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Originally Posted by Powder

I do remember a book called 'Ninja turtles exposed' which said april oneil acted too provocatively & her character design would teach young boys to.. I don't know, like, stare at her breasts (they worded it differently).

To this day, I can't look directly at a top-heavy woman for fear my eyes may wander and the shame will consume my very soul. Who do I blame? APRIL O'NEIL!! Dang her and her unlimited ogleativity. Dang her to SHELL![/truthfuljoke]

Mona_Lisa · 02-12-2010, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by gobo

To this day, I can't look directly at a top-heavy woman for fear my eyes may wander and the shame will consume my very soul. Who do I blame? APRIL O'NEIL!! Dang her and her unlimited ogleativity. Dang her to SHELL![/truthfuljoke]

Funny

Not all religious people are so strict. My family didn't mind for me to watch the turtles, my husbands parents are just much more old fashion. They don't even own a TV.
But if you are wondering, this doesn’t affect my husband and I relationship.
And we have a TV!

*Koi* · 02-12-2010, 06:21 PM

Majority of the 80's cartoons where violent, provocative, or disturbing. TMNT, in my opinion was on the lower on of the cartoon provocative stick of the 80's. The violence was pretty moderate, slapstick made it more comedic then anything else.

Cowabunga Kiefer · 02-12-2010, 06:59 PM

I remember reading a journal article on the TMNT some professor did at UCLA. She asked kids of the day if the show made them do anything violent or promote violence. All of them answered no, they're just cool, and they're everywhere! Nor the video games hypnotize them. I find it funny parents could really be freaked out by this...maybe it was an excuse because their wallets were going empty from buying their kids toys and stuff. lol.

*CyberCubed* · 02-12-2010, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Drawsher

Majority of the 80's cartoons where violent, provocative, or disturbing.

Are you serious? I can't think of any 80's cartoons that were like that. Such as?

*Coola Yagami* · 02-12-2010, 08:12 PM

I remember people complaining in newspapers or whatever of kids getting hurt with makeshift weapons or trying to do the moves and such. I remember seeing kids in the street trying to do kicks and yelling out 'ee-yah!' cause the turtles do.

But then I noticed that the Turtles seemed to kick more ass and bust more actual martial arts moves in the videogames and live-action movies than they ever did in the actual cartoon. LOL

*gobo* · 02-13-2010, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Are you serious? I can't think of any 80's cartoons that were like that. Such as?

Thundercats, He-Man and G.I. Joe are the first to come to my mind for violence. Provocative would be anything involving the skin-tight, superhero-type costumes; especially the ones with the entirety of their legs showing. Ren & Stimpy? Psychotic AND disturbing.

Really, it's just a matter of 'how desensitized are you to it?' as to whether or not it registers. In essence, we are discussing the views of extremists. You have to think like them to understand where they're coming from. Personally, I find it a bit paranoid and overly sensitive, but to each their own. It takes all kinds to make the world go 'round.

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Originally Posted by Cowabunga Kiefer

She asked kids of the day if the show made them do anything violent or promote violence.

This is an unreliable method of collecting evidence for or against an argument. That's like asking prisoners if they're criminals. Most will tell you "no". Most people want to pretend they're more 'perfect' than they are whether it be for vanity or because they're actually too delusional to recognize their own bad habits.

*Koi* · 02-13-2010, 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Are you serious? I can't think of any 80's cartoons that were like that. Such as?

Ren and stimpy.

*Cipher* · 02-13-2010, 12:35 AM

It's hard to believe coming off the heels of G.I. Joe and Transformers, that any parent could really object to the content in TMNT. It just came under scrutiny like all huge fads do.

Pokemon took a lot of the same abuse.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 02-13-2010, 04:29 AM

Violence in comics and cartoons has always been discussed since the 1920's-30's or something (like Batman and Superman)? He-Man some years before TMNT was probably more considered violent than teh TMNT.

hudemx · 02-13-2010, 11:34 AM

I remember back in the early 90s that even the Hero Turtles Version (which aired in Germany and Austria) was also considered in being to violent.

In 1995 in Germany a kid was beaten half dead by his friends because he played Shredder and the other 2 boys the Turtles and they reenacted one episode...
That might have been the reason why they stopped dubbing the series over here (well we got the remaining 3 Season in 1999 after all

)

*discordiatookie* · 02-13-2010, 04:24 PM

Must say that I must've missed the whole controversy over in the UK. Guess I was too young. I knew there was the 'Hero' Turtles and 'Ninja' Turtles, but to me, that was just one of these things, I never looked too much into it. (My Turtles Blimp said 'Ninja' on it.) I never even noticed that Mike's 'chucks had been edited outta the cartoon over here. My parents were awesome, they fairly treated me to some awesome toys, so no bother from them either!

In fact, the only thing I remember along these lines is when I was in nursery, and this is a proper early memory, nothing to do with TMNT, its He-Man, I flexed my arms to show my 'ceps, with the line "I have the power!" and got into trouble from the teacher-wifey. Guess she didn't like the violence of these shows!

*Raph's Girl* · 02-13-2010, 06:10 PM

I grew up in a rather strict household but Ninja Turtles was one of the few things I was allowed to watch. Mostly because it encouraged me to be interested in Renaissance art. My grandparents sent me a bunch of Hero Turtles stuff when they were living in England.

One of the shows I wasn't allowed to watch was The Simpsons because my dad felt that Bart was a bad influence. Seriously....I don't think I've ever seen the first couple seasons cuz of that.

*Oculus Orbus* · 02-13-2010, 08:07 PM

I was pretty much a baby when the OT started airing on TV, so I can't really remember if there was any kind of controversial here in Spain, but I haven't heard anything about it. I was allowed to watch it, and I was totally obsessed with the Turtles. Nobody around me (family, teachers...) seemed to find it dangerous in any way. My parents are quite open, but I remember them not letting me watch other shows, so I guess they probably thought about the TMNT as a kids thing.

02-12-2010, 01:32 PM	#1
Mona_Lisa Stone Warrior Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: North Carolina Posts: 516	Back when the 80’s toon came out. A lot of people think the OT was too silly, or corny (not me). Do you guys remember though, when The OT just came out how people said they were too violent, and how it taught children violence? I am a Religious person, and my husband comes from a VERY religious family. My mother in law (Bless her heart) found out I like the ninja turtles and flipped out. “ The ninja turtles teach children to be rebellious, the use slang, they are too violent, this preacher says this”… and so on. Maybe stuff like this is why the toon ended up using so much slap stick? Anyway, without bashing religion what are you guys thoughts on this? Can you remember someone saying stuff like this back in the day? Sorry if this post is in the wrong place.

02-12-2010, 01:58 PM	#2
Luzmagica A Magic Light Dudette! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Spain. Posts: 3,878	Well, in my child-years nobody tell me/ I never hear.. about they were violent cartoons...always were stories about good boys and bad boys...and won the good boys....so I never hear about commentaries taught children violence... The first time I hear about that, was when I know about the change the name "ninja" for "hero" at UK ....but never talking stuff like violence at my country ...in my opinion... __________________

02-12-2010, 03:57 PM	#4
Canadian Turtle Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Small town Ontario, West of Toronto Posts: 1,257	I can totally remember the worry in the adult community when the show came out. But look where that got us, no good cartoon content anymore, and a bunch of over sheltered kids lacking moral code and an ability to deal with anything harder than going to the bathroom by themselves. I too will attempt to hold my tong in respect of your request against religious bashing. I would not disrespectfully "bash" per say as I am a very opened minded and accepting individual, however as with anyone have my own opinions regarding the overall subject. I will point out however, that this woman in question seems to be worried about kids being rebellious, this in itself is very indicative and deeply bread into religious culture to be utterly terrified of change, straying from the conservative reform, anything that is different, anything they do not understand. Thus totally within itself puts someone worried about such things as opened mindedness and choosing ones path in a very ignorant state of being. I only feel sorry for someone so controlled and oppressed that they worry so much about someones choices, beliefs, and values as if it really affected them in any way. In short, even though we should not show our children inappropriate things (which Turtles are far from), we should ease up on the control we set in place, and if you are old enough to be married... I would think you would be old enough to enjoy anything you damn well wanted within reason and it not affect your relationships poorly like that, I feel for you! __________________ The Doc: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Turtl..._type=bookmark Business: www.iproductionsonline.com

02-12-2010, 04:25 PM	#5
Scandia Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,265	I grew up in a VERY religious family- and my folks had no issue with the Turtles. In fact, my brother had a lot of the toys. These criticisms sound very similar to those given to Roald Dahl's books- that they teach children to be rebellious and disobey authority figures. I kind of disagree with this- some of the authority figures in Roald Dahl's books are very kind and the kids do love and obey them. __________________ Turtles fight with honor!!!

02-12-2010, 08:12 PM	#12
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,709	I remember people complaining in newspapers or whatever of kids getting hurt with makeshift weapons or trying to do the moves and such. I remember seeing kids in the street trying to do kicks and yelling out 'ee-yah!' cause the turtles do. But then I noticed that the Turtles seemed to kick more ass and bust more actual martial arts moves in the videogames and live-action movies than they ever did in the actual cartoon. LOL __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

02-12-2010, 02:52 PM	#3
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,955	I do remember a book called 'Ninja turtles exposed' which said april oneil acted too provocatively & her character design would teach young boys to.. I don't know, like, stare at her breasts (they worded it differently). Also of course the nunchuku were considered a lethal weapon in several states so advocating its use was questionable to some adults. Another note, in an issue of the archie comics series some manic christian said the comic would corrupt him & his younger brother for having mentioned zen within its pages. People will bastardize anything if they look hard enough. Its just a case of over analytic parents. I would love to bash religion for its faults but hey, I'll leave that one alone.

02-12-2010, 06:21 PM	#9
Koi Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,787	Majority of the 80's cartoons where violent, provocative, or disturbing. TMNT, in my opinion was on the lower on of the cartoon provocative stick of the 80's. The violence was pretty moderate, slapstick made it more comedic then anything else.

02-12-2010, 06:59 PM	#10
Cowabunga Kiefer Hench Mutant Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Born in Nashville, now I live in NYC. No TMNT sightings yet... Posts: 303	I remember reading a journal article on the TMNT some professor did at UCLA. She asked kids of the day if the show made them do anything violent or promote violence. All of them answered no, they're just cool, and they're everywhere! Nor the video games hypnotize them. I find it funny parents could really be freaked out by this...maybe it was an excuse because their wallets were going empty from buying their kids toys and stuff. lol.

02-13-2010, 12:35 AM	#15
Cipher Foot Elite Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,454	It's hard to believe coming off the heels of G.I. Joe and Transformers, that any parent could really object to the content in TMNT. It just came under scrutiny like all huge fads do. Pokemon took a lot of the same abuse.

02-13-2010, 04:29 AM	#16
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,481	Violence Violence in comics and cartoons has always been discussed since the 1920's-30's or something (like Batman and Superman)? He-Man some years before TMNT was probably more considered violent than teh TMNT.

02-13-2010, 11:34 AM	#17
hudemx Hench Mutant Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Klagenfurt Posts: 371	I remember back in the early 90s that even the Hero Turtles Version (which aired in Germany and Austria) was also considered in being to violent. In 1995 in Germany a kid was beaten half dead by his friends because he played Shredder and the other 2 boys the Turtles and they reenacted one episode... That might have been the reason why they stopped dubbing the series over here (well we got the remaining 3 Season in 1999 after all ) __________________ German TMNT News Blog: http://ninjaturtlepower.wordpress.com/

02-13-2010, 04:24 PM	#18
discordiatookie facehugger Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland Posts: 2,817	Must say that I must've missed the whole controversy over in the UK. Guess I was too young. I knew there was the 'Hero' Turtles and 'Ninja' Turtles, but to me, that was just one of these things, I never looked too much into it. (My Turtles Blimp said 'Ninja' on it.) I never even noticed that Mike's 'chucks had been edited outta the cartoon over here. My parents were awesome, they fairly treated me to some awesome toys, so no bother from them either! In fact, the only thing I remember along these lines is when I was in nursery, and this is a proper early memory, nothing to do with TMNT, its He-Man, I flexed my arms to show my 'ceps, with the line "I have the power!" and got into trouble from the teacher-wifey. Guess she didn't like the violence of these shows! __________________ Oh Discordia! Charyou Tree! Come, Reap! Don't tell us to grow up and out of it I got my cloak and dagger in a bar room brawl You actually trying to read this tiny text? Damn, you're dedicated! This is all just for effect you know... original TMNT art collection

02-13-2010, 06:10 PM	#19
Raph's Girl Dierna Soul, Reporter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Jakku Posts: 10,831	I grew up in a rather strict household but Ninja Turtles was one of the few things I was allowed to watch. Mostly because it encouraged me to be interested in Renaissance art. My grandparents sent me a bunch of Hero Turtles stuff when they were living in England. One of the shows I wasn't allowed to watch was The Simpsons because my dad felt that Bart was a bad influence. Seriously....I don't think I've ever seen the first couple seasons cuz of that. __________________

02-13-2010, 08:07 PM	#20
Oculus Orbus Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Spain Posts: 1,535	I was pretty much a baby when the OT started airing on TV, so I can't really remember if there was any kind of controversial here in Spain, but I haven't heard anything about it. I was allowed to watch it, and I was totally obsessed with the Turtles. Nobody around me (family, teachers...) seemed to find it dangerous in any way. My parents are quite open, but I remember them not letting me watch other shows, so I guess they probably thought about the TMNT as a kids thing.