Would you be interested in helping in an Image Vol. 3 conclusion? - Page 36

*Andrew NDB* · 08-03-2010, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Too bad PL/Mirage had no desire to publish this.

Once again, they cannot even if they wanted to. But don't rule out an "official" Image conclusion down the line... just not from them.

jaymq · 08-03-2010, 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Its a shame so much talent is working on this and yet it won't be officially published. Too bad PL/Mirage had no desire to publish this.

He can't because it's Image Universe and he's only allowed to publish Mirage Universe

*discordiatookie* · 08-03-2010, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Just today... Dan Berger is a lock for drawing a 2 page backup story with Future Shadow and a flashback to a Turtle Christmas, Image/Vol. 3 era.

HELLS YEAH! Amazing news.

*Andrew NDB* · 08-03-2010, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by moosandra

He can't because it's Image Universe and he's only allowed to publish Mirage Universe

Which, truthfully, I still say they would have a perfectly valid case for why and how they would be one and the same... but Mirage has no interest in rocking the boat and beginning a debate with Nick/Viacom on the matter.

*Spitfire* · 08-03-2010, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by moosandra

He can't because it's Image Universe and he's only allowed to publish Mirage Universe

That's a slippery slope. Viacom would first have to acknowledge that there was different lines of comics and unless someone told them or they were turtles fans themselves they'd never know and never care. They probably don't even know about the Image series or that it was separate from the main Mirage universe, even though when it was written it wasn't. Let alone know about the Archie line. I think that's an excuse to hide behind. They're ignorant to it and I doubt they researched the entire TMNT history. Even if they did it's not an issue for them to raise a stink about anyways. Mirage owns all those characters, well owned, all they had to do was publish the story as a Mirage story and Viacom wouldn't know the better. They could call it something totally unrelated if they wanted.

jaymq · 08-03-2010, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Which, truthfully, I still say they would have a perfectly valid case for why and how they would be one and the same... but Mirage has no interest in rocking the boat and beginning a debate with Nick/Viacom on the matter.

Understandable.

But that's how I understood it with the past many threads concerning "PUBLISH IT, LAIRD".. So, yea...

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Originally Posted by Spitfire

That's a slippery slope. Viacom would first have to acknowledge that there was different lines of comics and unless someone told them or they were turtles fans themselves they'd never know and never care. They probably don't even know about the Image series or that it was separate from the main Mirage universe, even though when it was written it wasn't. Let alone know about the Archie line. I think that's an excuse to hide behind. They're ignorant to it and I doubt they researched the entire TMNT history. Even if they did it's not an issue for them to raise a stink about anyways. Mirage owns all those characters, well owned, all they had to do was publish the story as a Mirage story and Viacom wouldn't know the better. They could call it something totally unrelated if they wanted.

Ahh, I'm willing to give them a bit more credit. I know plenty of people who know about the other lines such at TNM, image comics, ova, archie series, etc and aren't hardcore fans like a lot of people here. or even partially so.

Either way, it's a tricksy thing to deal with. I'll be glad to see the issue Tristan's working on and some closure to the image series. I was just starting to get into it when it got canceled. Drr.

*CyberCubed* · 08-03-2010, 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Once again, they cannot even if they wanted to. But don't rule out an "official" Image conclusion down the line... just not from them.

So you're saying that years down the road if Viacom wants to license comic rights, we may see a re-tailored Image conclusion with a different ending than the one we're getting now?

I remember you saying that if the guys at Image did this themselves, the entire story would be re-done and not what's on the table now.

*Andrew NDB* · 08-04-2010, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

So you're saying that years down the road if Viacom wants to license comic rights

When, not if.

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we may see a re-tailored Image conclusion with a different ending than the one we're getting now?

I remember you saying that if the guys at Image did this themselves, the entire story would be re-done and not what's on the table now.

First and foremost it would be a Gary and Frank affair, yes. What I wrote and what Ross helped with may or may not be given any consideration from there. If anything else or anybody else gets to put their $.02 into the book, it would be at the behest of Gary and Frank.

***First of Two Latin Kings*** · 08-04-2010, 06:23 PM

Are we going to get any sneak peeks at any of the content any time soon?

Rise1184 · 08-07-2010, 05:37 AM

Sweet, thanks for sharing! I have yet to catch up on the
newer" comics, to be honest. But this all sounds very interesting..

**Venom** · 08-07-2010, 08:32 PM

[QUOTE=Andrew NDB;790941]When, not if.[QUOTE]

Man, I wish you'd quit being so damn cryptic! I understand some things have to be kept under wraps, especially if someone who is under contract or signed an NDA has spilled anything, but it seems somewhat contrived since there's zero news regarding any comics or companies with feelers thrown out.

We know, essentialy from you, that Dark Horse is out; also, that Image is at least interested in at least publishing an omnibus/creating a mini to tie up the series.

*CyberCubed* · 08-07-2010, 10:23 PM

That's not a definite sign. He said Viacom expressed interest in doing comic stuff, but has no desire to sign any deals right now as their focus is on the movie and cartoon. Years down the road as they're looking to make some extra money off other TMNT stuff, they may license the comic to someone.

And even then who knows what it'll be. I would not get my hopes up for any Mirage-universe comic, it'll most likely be a comic based on the cartoon.

*Andrew NDB* · 08-08-2010, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Venom

Man, I wish you'd quit being so damn cryptic! I understand some things have to be kept under wraps, especially if someone who is under contract or signed an NDA has spilled anything, but it seems somewhat contrived since there's zero news regarding any comics or companies with feelers thrown out.

We know, essentialy from you, that Dark Horse is out; also, that Image is at least interested in at least publishing an omnibus/creating a mini to tie up the series.

You're just going to have to have faith. There is a favored race horse in this, and it isn't any of those.

**Venom** · 08-08-2010, 03:46 PM

Alright Andrew, I'll trust your word. I just hope whomever the interested party is will do the Turtles justice. How do you feel about the prospect?

thingy · 08-23-2010, 05:42 AM

Having never read Vol.3*, I can't say I was particularly interested in a conclusion but after I accidentally clicked on this thread and saw the cover pics I was intrigued and ended up reading through the full thread. This is very exciting and I'm now looking forward to seeing this in whatever form it ends up.

That's a bit strange I suppose seeing as I haven't read vol. 3 but I guess there's time to fix that before this is finished.

*nothing against it, I haven't read any of volume 2 or 4 either.

*CyberCubed* · 08-26-2010, 02:18 PM

I find it hard to believe Nick even wants to continue the comics (themselves), outside of if Mirage ever wants to start them up again.

The comics have no brand recognition with their cartoon/movie and likely won't make any money. Aside from a comic based on the cartoon like Archie/Dreamwave, I don't even know why they would want to license the comics to anyone.

What kind of money would the comics bring to Viacom? They probably won't even bother with the Mirage continuity if they even do the comics.

**Venom** · 08-26-2010, 08:50 PM

The above post should be moved either to its own topic or a more fitting topic.

To answer the question, though, the comics would bring money from a niche market; if Viacom wishes to fully capitalize on the IP then it would want to bring in as many forms of media as possible to lure in fans spanning all ages. Case in point: the Sideshow comiquettes, while limited in production, basically sold out day one.

So while the chunk of change may not be large (and that is largely dependant on who is behind the comic and who is crafting the stories), it would still be money from the licensee in Viacom's pocket. Whoever is heading up the comic and what direction they took with the book would be the deciding factor on whether or not it was a hit.

*Andrew NDB* · 08-26-2010, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The comics have no brand recognition with their cartoon/movie and likely won't make any money. Aside from a comic based on the cartoon like Archie/Dreamwave, I don't even know why they would want to license the comics to anyone.

One wouldn't preclude the other. Especially if there is literally no money lost to Nick/Viacom -- there is literally studios lined up, anxious to pony up the money to do new comics.

And once again, Nick has already voiced that they are indeed interested in pursuing "mature" TMNT comics when the time is right.

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What kind of money would the comics bring to Viacom?

Pretty standard license fees as with anything, I would imagine. Their main interest, like with most things, would be in the omnibuses, collected books that would appear in Barnes & Noble, Borders, etc., where they can net a nice %. No matter how you cut it, they aren't standing to lose any money... even if a new TMNT comic is going to lose money, if there's comic publishers willing to take that risk themselves -- meanwhile paying Nick/Viacom license fees -- then it's a win-win situation for Nick.

And if a new comic is a hit? Then what's good for the goose is good for the gander in their eyes, I'm sure.

Honestly, though, I don't think they're really worried about the comics right now. But there will come a time in the foreseeable future when they will.

*sdp* · 08-27-2010, 12:20 AM

I don't think we'll see a new comic aimed at kids like Archie/Dreamwave, I mean what kid actually buys comics? A very small minority among people who buy comics and people who buy comics is already a small market.

Unless Nick wants to be overprotective of their franchise I think its likely they'd license the TMNT for some comic company to do as the wish with it. At least much more likely than a straight up for kids comic.

*Andrew NDB* · 08-27-2010, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by sdp

I don't think we'll see a new comic aimed at kids like Archie/Dreamwave

I think we will.

08-07-2010, 05:37 AM	#710
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08-26-2010, 08:50 PM	#717
Venom Space Knight Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,637	The above post should be moved either to its own topic or a more fitting topic. To answer the question, though, the comics would bring money from a niche market; if Viacom wishes to fully capitalize on the IP then it would want to bring in as many forms of media as possible to lure in fans spanning all ages. Case in point: the Sideshow comiquettes, while limited in production, basically sold out day one. So while the chunk of change may not be large (and that is largely dependant on who is behind the comic and who is crafting the stories), it would still be money from the licensee in Viacom's pocket. Whoever is heading up the comic and what direction they took with the book would be the deciding factor on whether or not it was a hit. Last edited by Venom; 08-26-2010 at 08:57 PM.

08-27-2010, 12:20 AM	#719
sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,222	I don't think we'll see a new comic aimed at kids like Archie/Dreamwave, I mean what kid actually buys comics? A very small minority among people who buy comics and people who buy comics is already a small market. Unless Nick wants to be overprotective of their franchise I think its likely they'd license the TMNT for some comic company to do as the wish with it. At least much more likely than a straight up for kids comic. __________________ *Trapt* *urself Page MiscRave!!!* Click to join The Drome Discord server

08-07-2010, 08:32 PM	#711
Venom Space Knight Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,637	[QUOTE=Andrew NDB;790941]When, not if.[QUOTE] Man, I wish you'd quit being so damn cryptic! I understand some things have to be kept under wraps, especially if someone who is under contract or signed an NDA has spilled anything, but it seems somewhat contrived since there's zero news regarding any comics or companies with feelers thrown out. We know, essentialy from you, that Dark Horse is out; also, that Image is at least interested in at least publishing an omnibus/creating a mini to tie up the series.

08-07-2010, 10:23 PM	#712
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,888	That's not a definite sign. He said Viacom expressed interest in doing comic stuff, but has no desire to sign any deals right now as their focus is on the movie and cartoon. Years down the road as they're looking to make some extra money off other TMNT stuff, they may license the comic to someone. And even then who knows what it'll be. I would not get my hopes up for any Mirage-universe comic, it'll most likely be a comic based on the cartoon.

08-08-2010, 03:46 PM	#714
Venom Space Knight Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,637	Alright Andrew, I'll trust your word. I just hope whomever the interested party is will do the Turtles justice. How do you feel about the prospect?

08-23-2010, 05:42 AM	#715
thingy Foot Soldier Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: UK Posts: 111	Having never read Vol.3, I can't say I was particularly interested in a conclusion but after I accidentally clicked on this thread and saw the cover pics I was intrigued and ended up reading through the full thread. This is very exciting and I'm now looking forward to seeing this in whatever form it ends up. That's a bit strange I suppose seeing as I haven't read vol. 3 but I guess there's time to fix that before this is finished. nothing against it, I haven't read any of volume 2 or 4 either.

08-26-2010, 02:18 PM	#716
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,888	I find it hard to believe Nick even wants to continue the comics (themselves), outside of if Mirage ever wants to start them up again. The comics have no brand recognition with their cartoon/movie and likely won't make any money. Aside from a comic based on the cartoon like Archie/Dreamwave, I don't even know why they would want to license the comics to anyone. What kind of money would the comics bring to Viacom? They probably won't even bother with the Mirage continuity if they even do the comics.