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*Jephael* · 12-27-2002, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by darthsmozers

c) Who else loved the future stuff? Yknow, the future shark trilogy, the death of the mutanimals, the Cyber Turtles, etc?

I loved the Future Turtles, especially with their cybernetic armour.

I thought the death of the Mutanimals though was really unneccesary. I mean to me it seems they really should've kept some of them (atleast 3) alive and have the remaining members avange the death of their fallen members.

darthsmozers · 12-27-2002, 01:08 PM

It WAS a fun story though

This series had so much potential if it was allowed to keep going. The art (Chris Allan?) jsut got better and better, and he even began pencilling the covers!!!

Doesn anyone have any of his TMNT art on your computer? Id love to have some for my desktop

ChibiKasai · 12-27-2002, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by darthsmozers

Doesn anyone have any of his TMNT art on your computer? Id love to have some for my desktop

Go here for some covers: http://www.thetechnodrome.com/comics...e/archie.shtml
I especially recommend #50 & 58 for some awesome group shots.

Man, I missed the whole Cyber Turtles thing! And the Moon Eyes saga!

Crap...I desperately need back issues

**Karpo_007** · 12-27-2002, 01:35 PM

Well I have one thing I have to say about archie. The cartoon was made to bring TMNT to a younger audience. The first season was geat but after that it got boring. Archie on the other hand had good story lines and usually good art. It was made for the same purpose as the cartoon, but it did it much better.

darthsmozers · 12-27-2002, 01:42 PM

The archie series DID have some more "adult" themes...lots of death, adult issues, etc.

Shellfox · 12-27-2002, 01:58 PM

A good load of the Archies seemed to revolve around Religion, which can't be said for a lot of books, geared toward kids. Exile, intollerance, Death be radation, the evil of White settelers, Fighting in relgions, mass genacide give archie credit they did a lot of contoversial stuff, it just looked like good clean fun. Of all the stuff Archie has done TMNT was probly the best, I don't read anything else they do aside from sonic, but how it was geared its impressive. Sonic use to be till Sega flexed its control, then we couldn't kill anyone or have sonic do anything uncool (like be in a relation ship, hell the guy has like 3 girls all after him, screw the rules deal with them, although Amys just a little kinky a 8 year old in a 12 year old body after a 16 year old or something). Any way given that, and how they draw the sonic cast most of the time, I sorts hope Archie doesn't do the TMNT again, they'd look like crap.

darthsmozers · 12-27-2002, 02:06 PM

Unless of course the series was restarted where it left off. I mean, so many plots could have evolved....the future TMNT's were always a hit, and so many cool stories could have been continued

**Karpo_007** · 12-27-2002, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by darthsmozers

The archie series DID have some more "adult" themes...lots of death, adult issues, etc.

Nevertheless the children were the target audience. And thats what I said, it was much better than the cartoon.

ChibiKasai · 12-27-2002, 02:19 PM

Even as a kid, I knew Archie was getting away with *alot*. I loved being able to read about a TMNT that wasn't complete corn, and didn't ever talk down to children.
One of my fav "can't belive it" moments was in issue 56, when Candy looks into Null's eyes and sees the Mutanimals in Hell. I'd never seen anything like that in a "kid's" comic before or since.

(Another thing I learned from that issue: If the turtles think an enemy is human, they tend to pull their punches a bit. But as soon as they realize it's a robot, they will **** them up good.

)

**Karpo_007** · 12-27-2002, 02:56 PM

If you like more serious TMNT, you should read the original one.

Shellfox · 12-27-2002, 07:35 PM

still love the regilgious overtones in the series, as far as I know no other TMNT series delt with that many religions that respectfully.

Archie was the perfect blend of Comidy and Buttt kick action

darthsmozers · 12-27-2002, 08:44 PM

Yeah, in terms of religions we had the sons of silence who almost worshipped the stone, we had the whole deal wth the dragon and ninjara and japan and all of that, then the religion that came along with tatoo and that 4-armed tiger, up in the mountains. We also had the four horsemen whcih is sort of a religious notion, then the stuff with that blue lady with the tail, yknow, that two issue storyline, then the moon eyes foxes, etc. lots of various religious sects, and the open-minded TMNT went along for the entire ride. WOW!

Shellfox · 12-27-2002, 09:16 PM

Not to metion Al Falcon and the White Stone, Verminator X and his worshiping Tech, Jagwar and his father, the Path of the 4 winds, and the Souith ammerican natives and the Dinos and Asspects of the Fox Religion.

Shame they never did much with Naga, he was only in one issue but I like Ninjaras brother. Still pissed they never ansewered weather Raph was going to ask her to marry him right before the Black Hole Triligoy began.

Still I do feel a bit cheated by the Moon Eyes saga, yeah Raph was pissed off a lot, well give him a break His best freinds were just killed horribly and it was his future selfs fault. Hard to believe that Ninjara would choose to live with the wolves, she left the island for adventure, hard to believe that she'd settle down with a possible dangerously mutated Wolf who she had little in common with, in a suculded place, where she was the out sider. Yeah I knew she had to leave Rpah at some point but I all ways thought I'd be because her past as a theif caught up to her, and she choose to go back to it, that or go back to the island

darthsmozers · 12-27-2002, 09:29 PM

Wow I better go back and re-read those. About a year ago I found the back issues of the moon eyes saga, so its not to fresh in my mind....I know Raph was with a fox lady in the cyber turtles storyline, but i always thought that was Ninjara who changed her name???

Shellfox · 12-28-2002, 06:18 AM

No thats Mezcal, its rumored that shes a decendant of Ninjara and the Wolf (the face is fox but the Tail isn't)

darthsmozers · 12-28-2002, 10:11 AM

then Ouch for Raph...

ChibiKasai · 12-28-2002, 12:15 PM

I sooo need to find these issues. I obviously missed *alot*.

Bebop · 12-28-2002, 04:26 PM

Wow I don't remember anything that went on in this comics apparently. I've read all 72 of them too. I haven't opened them since issue 72 came out so many years ago. I might have to go get out the collection and sit down for a few hours. Also, what's this talk of another new TMNT comic. Are they supposed to come out with a new series that is not by Mirage?

**Karpo_007** · 12-28-2002, 04:35 PM

Yeah, there will be a new comic based on the cartoon, and it is targeted towards younger audience... That's kind of disapinting, I was hoping for something like Ultimate Spider-Man, not a "second archie series".

*Jephael* · 12-28-2002, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChibiKasai

(Another thing I learned from that issue: If the turtles think an enemy is human, they tend to pull their punches a bit. But as soon as they realize it's a robot, they will **** them up good.

)

That was always one of the best scenes -

ROBOT 1: "We're more than just robots!"
ROBOT 2: "We are thanosoids, dead flesh joined with the most powerful cybernetic polyzerkonium circuitry!"
FUTURE DON: "IE, they're fancy robots. Lets waste em!"

12-27-2002, 02:19 PM	#29
ChibiKasai Foot Soldier Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 126	Even as a kid, I knew Archie was getting away with alot. I loved being able to read about a TMNT that wasn't complete corn, and didn't ever talk down to children. One of my fav "can't belive it" moments was in issue 56, when Candy looks into Null's eyes and sees the Mutanimals in Hell. I'd never seen anything like that in a "kid's" comic before or since. (Another thing I learned from that issue: If the turtles think an enemy is human, they tend to pull their punches a bit. But as soon as they realize it's a robot, they will **** them up good. ) __________________ Have no fear of perfection- you'll never reach it. Salvador Dali www.kishiadesign.com

12-28-2002, 12:15 PM	#37
ChibiKasai Foot Soldier Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 126	I sooo need to find these issues. I obviously missed alot. __________________ Have no fear of perfection- you'll never reach it. Salvador Dali www.kishiadesign.com

12-27-2002, 01:08 PM	#22
darthsmozers Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,278	It WAS a fun story though This series had so much potential if it was allowed to keep going. The art (Chris Allan?) jsut got better and better, and he even began pencilling the covers!!! Doesn anyone have any of his TMNT art on your computer? Id love to have some for my desktop

12-27-2002, 01:35 PM	#24
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Well I have one thing I have to say about archie. The cartoon was made to bring TMNT to a younger audience. The first season was geat but after that it got boring. Archie on the other hand had good story lines and usually good art. It was made for the same purpose as the cartoon, but it did it much better.

12-27-2002, 01:42 PM	#25
darthsmozers Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,278	The archie series DID have some more "adult" themes...lots of death, adult issues, etc.

12-27-2002, 01:58 PM	#26
Shellfox Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,234	A good load of the Archies seemed to revolve around Religion, which can't be said for a lot of books, geared toward kids. Exile, intollerance, Death be radation, the evil of White settelers, Fighting in relgions, mass genacide give archie credit they did a lot of contoversial stuff, it just looked like good clean fun. Of all the stuff Archie has done TMNT was probly the best, I don't read anything else they do aside from sonic, but how it was geared its impressive. Sonic use to be till Sega flexed its control, then we couldn't kill anyone or have sonic do anything uncool (like be in a relation ship, hell the guy has like 3 girls all after him, screw the rules deal with them, although Amys just a little kinky a 8 year old in a 12 year old body after a 16 year old or something). Any way given that, and how they draw the sonic cast most of the time, I sorts hope Archie doesn't do the TMNT again, they'd look like crap.

12-27-2002, 02:06 PM	#27
darthsmozers Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,278	Unless of course the series was restarted where it left off. I mean, so many plots could have evolved....the future TMNT's were always a hit, and so many cool stories could have been continued

12-27-2002, 02:56 PM	#30
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	If you like more serious TMNT, you should read the original one.

12-27-2002, 07:35 PM	#31
Shellfox Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,234	still love the regilgious overtones in the series, as far as I know no other TMNT series delt with that many religions that respectfully. Archie was the perfect blend of Comidy and Buttt kick action

12-27-2002, 08:44 PM	#32
darthsmozers Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,278	Yeah, in terms of religions we had the sons of silence who almost worshipped the stone, we had the whole deal wth the dragon and ninjara and japan and all of that, then the religion that came along with tatoo and that 4-armed tiger, up in the mountains. We also had the four horsemen whcih is sort of a religious notion, then the stuff with that blue lady with the tail, yknow, that two issue storyline, then the moon eyes foxes, etc. lots of various religious sects, and the open-minded TMNT went along for the entire ride. WOW!

12-27-2002, 09:16 PM	#33
Shellfox Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,234	Not to metion Al Falcon and the White Stone, Verminator X and his worshiping Tech, Jagwar and his father, the Path of the 4 winds, and the Souith ammerican natives and the Dinos and Asspects of the Fox Religion. Shame they never did much with Naga, he was only in one issue but I like Ninjaras brother. Still pissed they never ansewered weather Raph was going to ask her to marry him right before the Black Hole Triligoy began. Still I do feel a bit cheated by the Moon Eyes saga, yeah Raph was pissed off a lot, well give him a break His best freinds were just killed horribly and it was his future selfs fault. Hard to believe that Ninjara would choose to live with the wolves, she left the island for adventure, hard to believe that she'd settle down with a possible dangerously mutated Wolf who she had little in common with, in a suculded place, where she was the out sider. Yeah I knew she had to leave Rpah at some point but I all ways thought I'd be because her past as a theif caught up to her, and she choose to go back to it, that or go back to the island

12-27-2002, 09:29 PM	#34
darthsmozers Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,278	Wow I better go back and re-read those. About a year ago I found the back issues of the moon eyes saga, so its not to fresh in my mind....I know Raph was with a fox lady in the cyber turtles storyline, but i always thought that was Ninjara who changed her name???

12-28-2002, 06:18 AM	#35
Shellfox Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,234	No thats Mezcal, its rumored that shes a decendant of Ninjara and the Wolf (the face is fox but the Tail isn't)

12-28-2002, 10:11 AM	#36
darthsmozers Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,278	then Ouch for Raph...

12-28-2002, 04:26 PM	#38
Bebop Site Staff Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 44	Wow I don't remember anything that went on in this comics apparently. I've read all 72 of them too. I haven't opened them since issue 72 came out so many years ago. I might have to go get out the collection and sit down for a few hours. Also, what's this talk of another new TMNT comic. Are they supposed to come out with a new series that is not by Mirage?

12-28-2002, 04:35 PM	#39
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Yeah, there will be a new comic based on the cartoon, and it is targeted towards younger audience... That's kind of disapinting, I was hoping for something like Ultimate Spider-Man, not a "second archie series".