Bullying, cyber or otherwise - Page 2

*Katie* · 10-10-2010, 08:10 AM

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Originally Posted by plastroncafe

I think maybe your understanding of "respect" might need some tweaking.

He wants us all to dress like pilgrams I guess.

I also agree that if you are driven to kill youself or take other drastic measures over being bullied that there are other deeper, more serious issues going on.

Also......see christian weston chandler........internet celebrity and creator of the one and only sonichu! That guy has a whole wiki devoted to trolling him and a new message board for discussing his behavior. Warning.....there is nudity on the wiki

*plastroncafe* · 10-10-2010, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Katie

He wants us all to dress like pilgrams I guess.

It's a good thing I like buckles...

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Originally Posted by Katie

I also agree that if you are driven to kill youself or take other drastic measures over being bullied that there are other deeper, more serious issues going on.

There's no way I'm going to argue that, because it's hard to hard to argue with the truth. My issue with bullying is how quickly it can escalate to assault and battery. When someone says, "No. Stop. Leave me alone," others should listen.

Just because something is fragile doesn't let someone off the hook when they break it.

azrael · 10-10-2010, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Katie

He wants us all to dress like pilgrams I guess.

No, thats not what I mean. If you look like a slut expect to be used. I prefer a little mystery in women I date.

As for the bullying issue. Its illegal in my state.
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*plastroncafe* · 10-10-2010, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by azrael

No, thats not what I mean. If you look like a slut expect to be used. I prefer a little mystery in women I date.

So....you're a victimblamer.
Good to know.

PAAATE · 10-10-2010, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by azrael

If you look like a slut expect to be used.

If you look like a crook, expect to be locked up.

If you look like a junkie, expect to be disparaged.

If you look like a nerd, expect to be asked computer-related questions.

If you look like a...... No.

Faulty logic on your part.

But regarding the topic... I was a bully when I was like 12/13 years old. I wasn't the meanest one, but I was the one that said the "funny" comments and got the laughs... I can't really say I regret it, because I think that's a big part of shaping who I am today, for better or worse, and I'm totally in love with myself, so...

saiyan_monkey · 10-10-2010, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Just because something is fragile doesn't let someone off the hook when they break it.

I really like that sentence.

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Originally Posted by PAAATE

Faulty logic on your part.

I agree but that is how things are.

azrael · 10-13-2010, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by plastroncafe

So....you're a victimblamer.
Good to know.

i am not a victim blamer, i dont mean if you look like a slut expect to be raped. i mean it if you look like a slut dont expect the same respect. and by mystery in the girls i date i a little exposer goes a long way.
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*Spitfire* · 10-14-2010, 04:02 PM

I don't know the full psychology behind bullying but I noticed a pattern. As a child all the bullies were mostly kids who came from broken homes. Divorced parents, junkie parents, and so fourth. I came from a broken home myself but I never saw it as an excuse to act like a douche. A lot of these bullies would play that sob story card when they would get in trouble. If you're that bent about it go see a counselor. The ones at my school were free no excuse not to.

I wasn't personally bullied much. In elementary only one kid ever tried to bully me. I decided to fight back and it ended with me getting in trouble instead of him. After that I switched schools, not because of him because my Dad re-married, and I was fine. In middle school I used to get picked on now and again because I would play Magic but a lot of kids did so it was more of a group harassment.

High school was easy for me. I got picked on a little because I used to wear Dragon Ball Z shirts but the only two kids who did it were always alone with each other and seemed to have no other friends. That was Freshmen year. After that I started dressing differently and people left me alone, and have since.

I got off pretty easy. I was always taught not to put up with bullies though so when I was confronted with it I usually responded with hostility and it stopped rather quickly. Not everyone can do that though and it's those kids that get picked on the most. Dressing in all black and dying your hair scares people off pretty well. I used to have people tell me they were afraid of me because I looked dangerous. Some of the teachers felt the same way and approached me with a little too much caution. My attitude never changed and I was always nice to people so it never really registered to me. My only guess is the Columbine incident made people weary of teens who looked like me. I don't dress as extreme as I used to anymore but I'm also around mature adults most of the time so bullying doesn't really occur in my daily environments.

*BubblyShell22* · 10-15-2010, 08:26 AM

Yeah, I think bullies are people who have low self-esteem themselve or have been picked on as well, so they do it to battle their own depression of being picked it. It's sort of the, "You picked on me, I'm going to do it back" mentality. The thing is, it doesn't help when you stoop to their level.

azrael · 10-15-2010, 05:26 PM

Lets think about it this way. A muscle bound jock (yes i will be sterotypical) vs. skinny computer nerd. What would happen if they got in to a fight? Jock would beat up the nerd, but the nerd would know more about himself and get respect.
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*Katie* · 10-15-2010, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Yeah, I think bullies are people who have low self-esteem themselve or have been picked on as well, so they do it to battle their own depression of being picked it. It's sort of the, "You picked on me, I'm going to do it back" mentality. The thing is, it doesn't help when you stoop to their level.

I don't belive that bullies generally have low self esteem. I bet if you asked some kid why he or she was picking on some other kid the answer would be "because everyone else does". Groupthink. People are generally sheep who will go along with whatever everyone else does. (That's also a pretty primal thing.....especially for a species that evolved from animals that live in groups)

The groupthink thing is something that bothers me a lot about people. I wish we as a species could evolve to the point that it was ok to think for yourself instead of just going with whatever your immediate group is doing. You better believe I'm teaching my kids to make up their own minds.

*Scandia* · 10-17-2010, 12:09 PM

Bullying is always wrong. And so is libel and harassment.

Schools should be doing more. Not only more in quantity, but also different things to prevent and combat bullying. There should be harsher penalties towards bullies.

Sadly, often bullies derive sick pleasure from tormenting their targets. And often, bystanders do nothing- sometimes out of fear, sometimes out of apathy.

*BubblyShell22* · 10-19-2010, 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Katie

I don't belive that bullies generally have low self esteem. I bet if you asked some kid why he or she was picking on some other kid the answer would be "because everyone else does". Groupthink. People are generally sheep who will go along with whatever everyone else does. (That's also a pretty primal thing.....especially for a species that evolved from animals that live in groups)

The groupthink thing is something that bothers me a lot about people. I wish we as a species could evolve to the point that it was ok to think for yourself instead of just going with whatever your immediate group is doing. You better believe I'm teaching my kids to make up their own minds.

You're right about that, Katie, but I do think that some bullies are the way they are either because they're insecure about themselves or they've been bullied as well and want to get back at others by stooping to that level. The whole peer pressure thing is definitely a factor as well though.

*shuriken* · 10-19-2010, 12:08 PM

Groupthink is a bitch but that's how it was in grammar school with that one kid everyone picked on. Eventually it stopped but peers have that nasty effect.
As for those that have a crappy homelife i've seen it before and it always sucks.

Lynn · 11-05-2010, 07:29 PM

Since topics are more open now (particularly homosexuality) itmjust gives kids more license to bully someone for something else.

*BubblyShell22* · 11-08-2010, 09:48 AM

Yes, that's true and it's more common now to hear of people being bullied for homsexuality than just for the way they look.

*plastroncafe* · 11-08-2010, 10:20 AM

If kids would just stop being "different" the bullying would surely go away.

azrael · 11-08-2010, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by plastroncafe

If kids would just stop being "different" the bullying would surely go away.

your a fool for thinking that way.

"**** skin color, everybody's blue
Then what would all these bigots do?
Instead of your tone, they'd hate your size
That's why I must poke out all of their eyes" -Violent J

I post that because i feel it relates to the situation. If everyone were dressed the same it would just move on to something else.
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*plastroncafe* · 11-08-2010, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by azrael

your a fool for thinking that way.

"**** skin color, everybody's blue
Then what would all these bigots do?
Instead of your tone, they'd hate your size
That's why I must poke out all of their eyes" -Violent J

I post that because i feel it relates to the situation. If everyone were dressed the same it would just move on to something else.

Missed the sarcasm, did you?
Mine was a response to Lynn and her use of "license".

*BubblyShell22* · 11-09-2010, 08:34 AM

That's what people want to think. Get rid of differences and make people the same all the time. What a world that would be. It's so stupid.

10-14-2010, 04:02 PM	#28
Spitfire Writer • Director Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 12,035	I don't know the full psychology behind bullying but I noticed a pattern. As a child all the bullies were mostly kids who came from broken homes. Divorced parents, junkie parents, and so fourth. I came from a broken home myself but I never saw it as an excuse to act like a douche. A lot of these bullies would play that sob story card when they would get in trouble. If you're that bent about it go see a counselor. The ones at my school were free no excuse not to. I wasn't personally bullied much. In elementary only one kid ever tried to bully me. I decided to fight back and it ended with me getting in trouble instead of him. After that I switched schools, not because of him because my Dad re-married, and I was fine. In middle school I used to get picked on now and again because I would play Magic but a lot of kids did so it was more of a group harassment. High school was easy for me. I got picked on a little because I used to wear Dragon Ball Z shirts but the only two kids who did it were always alone with each other and seemed to have no other friends. That was Freshmen year. After that I started dressing differently and people left me alone, and have since. I got off pretty easy. I was always taught not to put up with bullies though so when I was confronted with it I usually responded with hostility and it stopped rather quickly. Not everyone can do that though and it's those kids that get picked on the most. Dressing in all black and dying your hair scares people off pretty well. I used to have people tell me they were afraid of me because I looked dangerous. Some of the teachers felt the same way and approached me with a little too much caution. My attitude never changed and I was always nice to people so it never really registered to me. My only guess is the Columbine incident made people weary of teens who looked like me. I don't dress as extreme as I used to anymore but I'm also around mature adults most of the time so bullying doesn't really occur in my daily environments. __________________ Check out my online portfolio http://www.christopherpelletier.com/

10-15-2010, 08:26 AM	#29
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Yeah, I think bullies are people who have low self-esteem themselve or have been picked on as well, so they do it to battle their own depression of being picked it. It's sort of the, "You picked on me, I'm going to do it back" mentality. The thing is, it doesn't help when you stoop to their level. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

10-15-2010, 05:26 PM	#30
azrael Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: loganville, ga Posts: 1,362	Lets think about it this way. A muscle bound jock (yes i will be sterotypical) vs. skinny computer nerd. What would happen if they got in to a fight? Jock would beat up the nerd, but the nerd would know more about himself and get respect. ________ Babes live Last edited by azrael; 08-12-2011 at 10:39 PM.

10-17-2010, 12:09 PM	#32
Scandia Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 2,265	Bullying is always wrong. And so is libel and harassment. Schools should be doing more. Not only more in quantity, but also different things to prevent and combat bullying. There should be harsher penalties towards bullies. Sadly, often bullies derive sick pleasure from tormenting their targets. And often, bystanders do nothing- sometimes out of fear, sometimes out of apathy. __________________ Turtles fight with honor!!!

10-19-2010, 12:08 PM	#34
shuriken Second City Shinobi Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chi-town Posts: 4,182	Groupthink is a bitch but that's how it was in grammar school with that one kid everyone picked on. Eventually it stopped but peers have that nasty effect. As for those that have a crappy homelife i've seen it before and it always sucks. __________________ Some things are better left unsaid. This isn't one of them

11-05-2010, 07:29 PM	#35
Lynn Hench Mutant Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Iowa Posts: 269	Since topics are more open now (particularly homosexuality) itmjust gives kids more license to bully someone for something else.

11-08-2010, 09:48 AM	#36
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Yes, that's true and it's more common now to hear of people being bullied for homsexuality than just for the way they look. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

11-09-2010, 08:34 AM	#40
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	That's what people want to think. Get rid of differences and make people the same all the time. What a world that would be. It's so stupid. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.