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ChibiKasai · 12-28-2002, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jephael

That was always one of the best scenes -

ROBOT 1: "We're more than just robots!"
ROBOT 2: "We are thanosoids, dead flesh joined with the most powerful cybernetic polyzerkonium circuitry!"
FUTURE DON: "IE, they're fancy robots. Lets waste em!"

LOL! Exactly! I loved that part!
Unfortunately, that particular issue has been lost somewhere in that black hole that is my room. Really too bad, cuz it was one of my favorites.

Shellfox · 12-28-2002, 08:21 PM

"tell us what we want to know and maybe we'll glue you back together"

next panel he's in a bigger pile of scrap

They never gave Slash the respect he deserved, He had a great death, be I thought it was a bit of a waste, we never knew if the bugs were really dead, it was implided, but I'm a storg believer in "no Body, no death".

darthsmozers · 12-28-2002, 09:31 PM

Jephael,
I love that quote

In terms of the NEW Mirage series, I have all 6 or 7 issues so far, havent read a single on though. Im so partial to the TMNTA series (mosty 38-72) that I havent really wanted to get into the more "adult" series yet...i guess i better

But, from what I understand, this continues the other Mirage series'....which I havent read....what should I know before delving into them?

Where, oh where, is Chris Allan? I LOVED his TMNT work

Id love a poster

If only..

ChibiKasai · 12-28-2002, 11:33 PM

Hey, you know what always bugged me? How *everyone*, whether they be aliens, fox-people, or South American mutants, seemed to speak perfect English!
Was there ever explanations for that, or were we just supposed to fly on faith?

While we're doing Q&A: How was the whole "Death of Mutanimals" thing resolved? Were they *really* in Hell? Sorry, but I missed just about every issue after #56.

**Karpo_007** · 12-29-2002, 06:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darthsmozers

Jephael,
I love that quote

In terms of the NEW Mirage series, I have all 6 or 7 issues so far, havent read a single on though. Im so partial to the TMNTA series (mosty 38-72) that I havent really wanted to get into the more "adult" series yet...i guess i better

But, from what I understand, this continues the other Mirage series'....which I havent read....what should I know before delving into them?

After reading the first issue of the new volume, I decided to read all the old ones first. So I too have all the new volume ones, but am not reading them yet.

Shellfox · 12-29-2002, 09:33 AM

Back to the topic at hand
How did Curly live? Hes a cow head for cring out loud

*Jephael* · 12-29-2002, 01:00 PM

You mean Cudley, dontcha? He's like this interdimensional transporter used by Stump and Sling to bring beings from across the galaxy to Dimension X. He could travel through time as well as space.

Shellfox · 12-29-2002, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChibiKasai

Hey, you know what always bugged me? How *everyone*, whether they be aliens, fox-people, or South American mutants, seemed to speak perfect English!
Was there ever explanations for that, or were we just supposed to fly on faith?

While we're doing Q&A: How was the whole "Death of Mutanimals" thing resolved? Were they *really* in Hell? Sorry, but I missed just about every issue after #56.

Well dreadmon did have an Acent
as for the mutinals the only other time we saw them was at the end of one book, where they all had halos over their heads

As for the cow, HE WAS A HEAD, I'll overlook the whole breathing in space since its common in sci-fi, but he had no body, how did he eat?, where were his organs? What the hell could he bye with what Stump paid him?

darthsmozers · 12-30-2002, 09:53 PM

I loved when the whole "Eye of Sarnoth" was expanded in the issues leading-up to issue 50. Great way of tying in the old issues there!!

Shellfox · 12-31-2002, 09:14 AM

Loved how they finnaly worked everything with Don together in 49-50, finally making the Japaenes spirts and Other who came to don tie together with the turn stone. It was in the Letters page how those 2 would all link to something big in dons future, so I'm guessing the turn stone. Kinda makes you wonder what else coul;d have happened to don

darthsmozers · 12-31-2002, 09:54 AM

I must add: April was drawn VERY well in the first April O'Niel miniseries, as well as those issues done by Chris Allan....the long, straight hair was a different look for her entirely.

ChibiKasai · 12-31-2002, 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darthsmozers

I must add: April was drawn VERY well in the first April O'Niel miniseries, as well as those issues done by Chris Allan....the long, straight hair was a different look for her entirely.

Yeah, I always liked April's look in the Archie series...if only cuz she wore something other than that yellow jumpsiut.

Ubiqtysync · 01-01-2003, 11:25 PM

First and foremost, my TWO MAIN AREAS OF INQUIRY: what was the "Year of the Turtle" mini-series and what was this alleged "The Forever War" all regarding? All detailed information and available synopses would be highly appreciated. As I noted before, I lost track of the series after 72, assuming it had gone on, only to find that it actually came to an abrupt close. I know I flipped through some issue, perhaps the second of the "Year of the Turtle" trilogy at a magazine stand, and I copped a gander at an advertisement for the continuation of the future turtles and Shredder a la an artistic sketch of Shredder innocuously impaling Don on his jagged armband (that takes some major upper-body strength, to be sure). Nowadays, it's next to impossible to get any of this without shelling (no pun intended) some hefty cash.

Today, I must've been struck by the nostalgia bug as I sifted through my "small" jambalaya of comic books ranging primarily from TMNT Adventures to the first thirty or so editions of The Simpsons, Itchy & Scratchy, Radioactive Man, and Bartman (some Batman, too). It's mainly Archie, considering I have quite a conglomeration of Sonic the Hedgehog comic books, as well.

I was always a fan of the cartoon series, but lost track of so many episodes along the way. The whole Baxter "The Fly" Stockman saga is hilarious when you reminisce back to the series. He could never catch a break, constantly getting lost in this dimension or that terra incognita of the space-time continuum. And what about the Technodrome? Where ELSE could they have marooned that metallic fortress? I know the Technodrome, despite the supposed continuity with the cartoon series, was obliterated in practically every video game and Shredder either had some retro-mutagen gun or metamorphosed into Super Shredder.

This all really takes me back, but let me get to the crux of this reply. Although I scarcely acquired only a few back issues of the original Mirage TMNT comic book series, this wasn't until AFTER my eye's attention was caught by the gleaming beacon that is the cover of TMNT Adventures number 38. I wasn't aware, up until that point, that they made them into comic books. Of course, I feel stupid for admitting this when their origins were in fact commenced IN comic book form.

After this kismetic intervention of illustrated literature in the realm of hominoid, bipedal, reptilian, adolescent ninjas sporting bandanas the same colors as the light-sabers in Star Wars--minus Michelangelo's orange color--I was hooked. I wasn't familiar at all with any of the other characters, like the Mutanimals or Mr. Null, but I was content with just having the turtles. Additionally, the "United We Stand Divided We Fall Trilogy" didn't make much sense to me around this time, particularly due to my missing the crossover Mutanimal issues of (I think) five and six, but I enthusiastically sought out and purchased number 40. Okay, let's be truthful. We're of the same generation, meaning we were all most likely born in the early eighties. Our "mommies" or "daddies" did the purchasing.

I wasn't able to attain number 41, but I was subscribed by number 42. I received every single copy of the Archie series 42 and beyond. My interest in the comic book series waned as the obsession with turtles for me began fleeting. However, I managed to still add to my collection the last two issues, 71 and 72. Furthermore, I ambitiously made the tasking effort of claiming possession over all back issues pertaining to the series. I was close, but to no avail.

Chibikasai, you actually have one issue I was always dying to get my hands on--number 36, the first appearance of Verminator-X. Pwdesai, if you're honestly scanning the issues in their entirety, count me in on obtaining issues number 36 and 41, as well as the TMNT Adventures Special issues number 1 and 2.

Imagine my surprise when this series overtly mirrored the darker elements of its Mirage counterpart. Along the way, I had purchased for me the first Mirage TMNT volume, a black and white depiction explaining their origin and introducing their key antagonism, the Shredder. Apparently vanquished by the end of the novel, I didn't see anything more until TMNT Volumes III and IV, when the turtles return from some distant planet with the Triceratons and some silver-plated, slimmed-down, robotic version of Babyface from the Dick Tracy movie. It's briefly described how Splinter narrowly escaped death at the teeth of Baxter Stockman's Mousers and how these less campy Krang look-alike aliens (obviously the inspiration for the caricature later adapted for the cartoon series) were both responsible for the turtles' and Splinter's mutation and the transportation to a planet that's curiously inhabited by English-speaking "close relatives" of the Triceratop dinosaur family.

Even in the Mirage series, which seemingly got maybe a little too mature and weird for my taste with the co-mingled, sporadic glimpses I had via later issues, the turtles, who peculiarly all sport red bandanas in this version, are visited by someone from the future. What's her name? Renet? She donned the funky one-piece Sports Illustrated blue swimming suit with the equally bizarre clock-adorned headpiece and with a cape and assortment of doodads strung together. I know she later reemerged in an issue featuring the goat-legged, horned, demonic sorcerer's sister heading an all-out assault on the turtles, Casey Jones, and April O'Neil as revenge. Plus, there was some feudal Japan vagabonding that took place later in the series (perhaps the inspiration for the third TMNT movie).

I bring this up because Archie essentially did the same thing by having the turtles of the TMNT Adventures universe get paid a visit by future Don and Raph beginning with "The Future Shark Trilogy," which evolved into a leitmotif for the series, as the present cast of characters frequently interacted with the future protagonists. I'm not complaining; it made good reading and I've always been an avid aficionado of all material relating to time-travel. A few discrepancies consistently crept up in my mind, though, especially after eventually reading over all the Classic Digests they released.

Upon purchasing back issues for the Archie series, I realized that I actually already had the first few comic books of the series. Unbeknownst to me all this time, I was aware of the series in an unwitting sense. I filled in the missing gaps by gaining the Classic Digests and scouring around for ones not covered in the said anthologies.

Moving ahead, I was astounded by the last part of "The Black Hole Trilogy" when it's revealed that the Turnstone WAS the black hole all along. That was sheer genius, more so because of the tie-in with Sarnath, the mechanized entity with the two missing gem eyes we all know were in fact used for the time-slip generators. And the death of the Mutanimals really took me by surprise. Yes, I was quite taken aback at how mature the series was developing, what with the Mutanimal hell scene and Candace Fine in that slink, sexy, rather "revealing" black dress.

Anyway, back to the time-travel questions. Cudley the Cowlick (I know, it disturbed me a little, too, how he was really nothing more than a gargantuan decapitated cow head that traversed space and time) once brought the turtles a hundred years into a possible future. It turned out that this future IS their future. But as expressed in "The Terracide Trilogy," history recorded future Don and Raph assisting the Mutanimals in constructing their headquarters. And Shredder must've somehow returned to the past, because he reappeared in early issues, around--what?--number 11 or 12. If Shredder was abducted during the Eye of Sarnath turtle-shrinking incident, then that means he ought to no longer exist in the future. That is, unless it's what I think it is: the time loop theory. By the way, they never resolved HOW or IF Shredder returns to the past.

All of time--the past, present, and future--has already happened. In other words, you can't change anything because it's all happened already. This means that everything that the past and future turtles do and experience have already been done and are all predetermined. But then they directly contradict this in the aforementioned Mutanimal death trilogy. They explain it away that it was Mr. Null, as if his presence in and influence over time is outside our own, like some satanic manipulation. It suggests he's beyond the effects of time.

I believe the time loop theory applies here otherwise, since it did always bother me how the past turtles could be brought to the future without disappearing from the past (same problem occurs in Back to the Future Part II) and how the past turtles wouldn't remember any of this and plausibly make some changes to the normal time stream when the moments arrive (e.g., preventing Raph from losing his eye). It could be that this all was DESTINED to happen and is therefore inalterable.

I forgot what else I wanted to include, but this is already more lengthy content than I anticipated writing. May the legacy of the TMNT perpetuate!

ChibiKasai · 01-02-2003, 12:56 AM

Ahh...the Classics Digests. I loved those! They're what really got me into the Archie series, since they were easier to find in my area than the single issues. Sadly, they were lost years ago. Grr.
Issue 36 was the 1st app. of Verminator-X? Never knew that.
I'm actually surprised my copy has survived to the present day, since my mom brought it for me way back in '92. That means it's survived an eight month stay in Ohio, and 4 more moves since then. And it's still in VG condition. Wow...*none* of my other comics can boast that longitivity.

Anywho...Can anyone provide me with some really concise summaries of the Animus War, Moon Eyes Saga, or Cyber Samurai 5-Parter? I'm really curious about what happened, and I'm having a hard time finding the issues.
Thanks!

Ubiqtysync · 01-02-2003, 03:34 PM

I'll ask again: what was the "Year of the Turtle" mini-series and what was this alleged "The Forever War" all regarding? All detailed information and available synopses would be highly appreciated.

Who's Mezcaal, future Raph's love interest and possible wife? Any relation to Ninjara, considering she closely resembles her?

Hitler's brain in the "Dreamland" five-part epic really was a cerebral nuisance to me. I mean, it irked me the perplexed logic about how the past Hitler's brain wasn't destroyed or severely damaged by the bullet to the head or the fact that the past Hitler's brain wouldn't remember failing in its attempt to catapult itself back into Berlin, Germany of the past.

The character of Kid Terra in the TMNT Adventures Archie comic book series was the closest we had to a Casey Jones in this bifurcated universe. Meanwhile, didn't Armaggon become the Archie series's version of the cartoon series's Baxter "The Fly" Stockman? I mean, Armaggon kept getting lost in time and space.

One thing exasperating about the Archie comic book series is how each "flavor of the month" alien is ousting one after another after another for the latest spotlight. Rather than recycling the same alien and perhaps constructing a solid continuity, whenever the writers ran out of ideas, they elected to introduce a NEW alien. The same triteness was incurred by the cartoon series. Instead of three-foot turtles, whatever became of the Neutrinos and Krang's Stone Warriors?

What is always the major setback to having time-travel scenarios and future versions of present characters, such as in the TMNT Adventures Archie comic book series, is the loss of suspense. Though entertaining, think about it, we know for certain the past (or relative to us, the present) turtles will never come to any harm because they're still around in the future (they must). Of course, these type of franchises regularly find a way out of this and conveniently and arbitrarily change their temporal mechanics dogma.

Shredder's real name is Oruko (I think) Saki. Isn't saki some Japanese beverage? Ha, Shred-Head's named after an ancient Japanese secret Energy Boost soft drink.

There were turtle toys matching the comic book characters, like Ace Duck (however much thinner and dressed up like a pilot as opposed to a wrestler), Man Ray, Slash, Merdude, Triceraton, that android, Tattoo, Wingnut and Screwloose, Wyrm, Mondo Gecko, Usagi Yojimbo, Panda "something," the Warrior Dragon, that cockroach mutant, Leatherhead, and Casey Jones. They didn't have Jagwar (heh, heh, named after a brand of cars) and Dreadmon, but they had Dirtbag and Groundchuck, as well as that Punk Frogs quad.

Ubiqtysync · 01-03-2003, 05:25 PM

I stumbled across a garbage bag-sized sack in my closet today. It contains all the TMNT toys I scurried to get when I was younger. I really need to sell these things. However, I realized that they also made a Rat King action figure and that this character appears in both the Mirage and Archie comic book series.

I have the four original Playmates TMNT figurines. I wonder if these'll be worth anything someday. I also have these minuscule plastic, baby turtle-sized electroluminescent toys that, to the best of my recollection, came from those trash-can Playdo cup-like green ooze packages they sold for a while. I think I'll keep these, considering I enjoy all things holographic or electroluminescent.

I also have this 5th Anniversary TMNT "Leonardo" Limited Edition silver-ish statue. It's nothing more than a cheaply made trophy of a shimmering silver-plated Leonardo. However, I wouldn't mind finding some way of dislodging his swords from his hands to give to the original Leo figurine. I never understood why they always equipped the turtles with weapons colored light brown, especially for Raph and Leo.

One last thing: what is up with this sui generis "bimbo" April O'Neil figurine? It has black puffy hair and is armed with cosmetic weapons, like--I kid you not--lipstick nunchucks and a compact-mirror ninja star. This had to be some inside joke, but it surprises me that Playmates actually released this thing to young kids.

Shellfox · 01-03-2003, 07:10 PM

Once more back to the Archie series and normal sized posts

what was with Null? I know he wanted to kill everything but why'd he first appear as a business man? And how did he hook up with Magna?

darthsmozers · 01-04-2003, 12:59 PM

I dont know but seeing him as the devil (or A devil) was pretty neat!

ChibiKasai · 01-04-2003, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by darthsmozers

I dont know but seeing him as the devil (or A devil) was pretty neat!

Yes, It was! Creepy, too...

Y'know, the amount of different religions represented in TMNTA really got me to wondering....
What are you guys' thoughts about all that?

darthsmozers · 01-04-2003, 03:32 PM

they must have been pretty open minded, especially when no religion really helped prevent the grim outcome in the future stories...

12-28-2002, 11:33 PM	#44
ChibiKasai Foot Soldier Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 126	Hey, you know what always bugged me? How everyone, whether they be aliens, fox-people, or South American mutants, seemed to speak perfect English! Was there ever explanations for that, or were we just supposed to fly on faith? While we're doing Q&A: How was the whole "Death of Mutanimals" thing resolved? Were they really in Hell? Sorry, but I missed just about every issue after #56. __________________ Have no fear of perfection- you'll never reach it. Salvador Dali www.kishiadesign.com

12-29-2002, 01:00 PM	#47
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	You mean Cudley, dontcha? He's like this interdimensional transporter used by Stump and Sling to bring beings from across the galaxy to Dimension X. He could travel through time as well as space. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

01-01-2003, 11:25 PM	#53
Ubiqtysync Mouser Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 12	TMNT Adventures Archie Series. First and foremost, my TWO MAIN AREAS OF INQUIRY: what was the "Year of the Turtle" mini-series and what was this alleged "The Forever War" all regarding? All detailed information and available synopses would be highly appreciated. As I noted before, I lost track of the series after 72, assuming it had gone on, only to find that it actually came to an abrupt close. I know I flipped through some issue, perhaps the second of the "Year of the Turtle" trilogy at a magazine stand, and I copped a gander at an advertisement for the continuation of the future turtles and Shredder a la an artistic sketch of Shredder innocuously impaling Don on his jagged armband (that takes some major upper-body strength, to be sure). Nowadays, it's next to impossible to get any of this without shelling (no pun intended) some hefty cash. Today, I must've been struck by the nostalgia bug as I sifted through my "small" jambalaya of comic books ranging primarily from TMNT Adventures to the first thirty or so editions of The Simpsons, Itchy & Scratchy, Radioactive Man, and Bartman (some Batman, too). It's mainly Archie, considering I have quite a conglomeration of Sonic the Hedgehog comic books, as well. I was always a fan of the cartoon series, but lost track of so many episodes along the way. The whole Baxter "The Fly" Stockman saga is hilarious when you reminisce back to the series. He could never catch a break, constantly getting lost in this dimension or that terra incognita of the space-time continuum. And what about the Technodrome? Where ELSE could they have marooned that metallic fortress? I know the Technodrome, despite the supposed continuity with the cartoon series, was obliterated in practically every video game and Shredder either had some retro-mutagen gun or metamorphosed into Super Shredder. This all really takes me back, but let me get to the crux of this reply. Although I scarcely acquired only a few back issues of the original Mirage TMNT comic book series, this wasn't until AFTER my eye's attention was caught by the gleaming beacon that is the cover of TMNT Adventures number 38. I wasn't aware, up until that point, that they made them into comic books. Of course, I feel stupid for admitting this when their origins were in fact commenced IN comic book form. After this kismetic intervention of illustrated literature in the realm of hominoid, bipedal, reptilian, adolescent ninjas sporting bandanas the same colors as the light-sabers in Star Wars--minus Michelangelo's orange color--I was hooked. I wasn't familiar at all with any of the other characters, like the Mutanimals or Mr. Null, but I was content with just having the turtles. Additionally, the "United We Stand Divided We Fall Trilogy" didn't make much sense to me around this time, particularly due to my missing the crossover Mutanimal issues of (I think) five and six, but I enthusiastically sought out and purchased number 40. Okay, let's be truthful. We're of the same generation, meaning we were all most likely born in the early eighties. Our "mommies" or "daddies" did the purchasing. I wasn't able to attain number 41, but I was subscribed by number 42. I received every single copy of the Archie series 42 and beyond. My interest in the comic book series waned as the obsession with turtles for me began fleeting. However, I managed to still add to my collection the last two issues, 71 and 72. Furthermore, I ambitiously made the tasking effort of claiming possession over all back issues pertaining to the series. I was close, but to no avail. Chibikasai, you actually have one issue I was always dying to get my hands on--number 36, the first appearance of Verminator-X. Pwdesai, if you're honestly scanning the issues in their entirety, count me in on obtaining issues number 36 and 41, as well as the TMNT Adventures Special issues number 1 and 2. Imagine my surprise when this series overtly mirrored the darker elements of its Mirage counterpart. Along the way, I had purchased for me the first Mirage TMNT volume, a black and white depiction explaining their origin and introducing their key antagonism, the Shredder. Apparently vanquished by the end of the novel, I didn't see anything more until TMNT Volumes III and IV, when the turtles return from some distant planet with the Triceratons and some silver-plated, slimmed-down, robotic version of Babyface from the Dick Tracy movie. It's briefly described how Splinter narrowly escaped death at the teeth of Baxter Stockman's Mousers and how these less campy Krang look-alike aliens (obviously the inspiration for the caricature later adapted for the cartoon series) were both responsible for the turtles' and Splinter's mutation and the transportation to a planet that's curiously inhabited by English-speaking "close relatives" of the Triceratop dinosaur family. Even in the Mirage series, which seemingly got maybe a little too mature and weird for my taste with the co-mingled, sporadic glimpses I had via later issues, the turtles, who peculiarly all sport red bandanas in this version, are visited by someone from the future. What's her name? Renet? She donned the funky one-piece Sports Illustrated blue swimming suit with the equally bizarre clock-adorned headpiece and with a cape and assortment of doodads strung together. I know she later reemerged in an issue featuring the goat-legged, horned, demonic sorcerer's sister heading an all-out assault on the turtles, Casey Jones, and April O'Neil as revenge. Plus, there was some feudal Japan vagabonding that took place later in the series (perhaps the inspiration for the third TMNT movie). I bring this up because Archie essentially did the same thing by having the turtles of the TMNT Adventures universe get paid a visit by future Don and Raph beginning with "The Future Shark Trilogy," which evolved into a leitmotif for the series, as the present cast of characters frequently interacted with the future protagonists. I'm not complaining; it made good reading and I've always been an avid aficionado of all material relating to time-travel. A few discrepancies consistently crept up in my mind, though, especially after eventually reading over all the Classic Digests they released. Upon purchasing back issues for the Archie series, I realized that I actually already had the first few comic books of the series. Unbeknownst to me all this time, I was aware of the series in an unwitting sense. I filled in the missing gaps by gaining the Classic Digests and scouring around for ones not covered in the said anthologies. Moving ahead, I was astounded by the last part of "The Black Hole Trilogy" when it's revealed that the Turnstone WAS the black hole all along. That was sheer genius, more so because of the tie-in with Sarnath, the mechanized entity with the two missing gem eyes we all know were in fact used for the time-slip generators. And the death of the Mutanimals really took me by surprise. Yes, I was quite taken aback at how mature the series was developing, what with the Mutanimal hell scene and Candace Fine in that slink, sexy, rather "revealing" black dress. Anyway, back to the time-travel questions. Cudley the Cowlick (I know, it disturbed me a little, too, how he was really nothing more than a gargantuan decapitated cow head that traversed space and time) once brought the turtles a hundred years into a possible future. It turned out that this future IS their future. But as expressed in "The Terracide Trilogy," history recorded future Don and Raph assisting the Mutanimals in constructing their headquarters. And Shredder must've somehow returned to the past, because he reappeared in early issues, around--what?--number 11 or 12. If Shredder was abducted during the Eye of Sarnath turtle-shrinking incident, then that means he ought to no longer exist in the future. That is, unless it's what I think it is: the time loop theory. By the way, they never resolved HOW or IF Shredder returns to the past. All of time--the past, present, and future--has already happened. In other words, you can't change anything because it's all happened already. This means that everything that the past and future turtles do and experience have already been done and are all predetermined. But then they directly contradict this in the aforementioned Mutanimal death trilogy. They explain it away that it was Mr. Null, as if his presence in and influence over time is outside our own, like some satanic manipulation. It suggests he's beyond the effects of time. I believe the time loop theory applies here otherwise, since it did always bother me how the past turtles could be brought to the future without disappearing from the past (same problem occurs in Back to the Future Part II) and how the past turtles wouldn't remember any of this and plausibly make some changes to the normal time stream when the moments arrive (e.g., preventing Raph from losing his eye). It could be that this all was DESTINED to happen and is therefore inalterable. I forgot what else I wanted to include, but this is already more lengthy content than I anticipated writing. May the legacy of the TMNT perpetuate!

01-02-2003, 12:56 AM	#54
ChibiKasai Foot Soldier Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Tampa, Florida Posts: 126	Ahh...the Classics Digests. I loved those! They're what really got me into the Archie series, since they were easier to find in my area than the single issues. Sadly, they were lost years ago. Grr. Issue 36 was the 1st app. of Verminator-X? Never knew that. I'm actually surprised my copy has survived to the present day, since my mom brought it for me way back in '92. That means it's survived an eight month stay in Ohio, and 4 more moves since then. And it's still in VG condition. Wow...none of my other comics can boast that longitivity. Anywho...Can anyone provide me with some really concise summaries of the Animus War, Moon Eyes Saga, or Cyber Samurai 5-Parter? I'm really curious about what happened, and I'm having a hard time finding the issues. Thanks! __________________ Have no fear of perfection- you'll never reach it. Salvador Dali www.kishiadesign.com

01-02-2003, 03:34 PM	#55
Ubiqtysync Mouser Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 12	TMNT Adventures Comic Book Archie Series. I'll ask again: what was the "Year of the Turtle" mini-series and what was this alleged "The Forever War" all regarding? All detailed information and available synopses would be highly appreciated. Who's Mezcaal, future Raph's love interest and possible wife? Any relation to Ninjara, considering she closely resembles her? Hitler's brain in the "Dreamland" five-part epic really was a cerebral nuisance to me. I mean, it irked me the perplexed logic about how the past Hitler's brain wasn't destroyed or severely damaged by the bullet to the head or the fact that the past Hitler's brain wouldn't remember failing in its attempt to catapult itself back into Berlin, Germany of the past. The character of Kid Terra in the TMNT Adventures Archie comic book series was the closest we had to a Casey Jones in this bifurcated universe. Meanwhile, didn't Armaggon become the Archie series's version of the cartoon series's Baxter "The Fly" Stockman? I mean, Armaggon kept getting lost in time and space. One thing exasperating about the Archie comic book series is how each "flavor of the month" alien is ousting one after another after another for the latest spotlight. Rather than recycling the same alien and perhaps constructing a solid continuity, whenever the writers ran out of ideas, they elected to introduce a NEW alien. The same triteness was incurred by the cartoon series. Instead of three-foot turtles, whatever became of the Neutrinos and Krang's Stone Warriors? What is always the major setback to having time-travel scenarios and future versions of present characters, such as in the TMNT Adventures Archie comic book series, is the loss of suspense. Though entertaining, think about it, we know for certain the past (or relative to us, the present) turtles will never come to any harm because they're still around in the future (they must). Of course, these type of franchises regularly find a way out of this and conveniently and arbitrarily change their temporal mechanics dogma. Shredder's real name is Oruko (I think) Saki. Isn't saki some Japanese beverage? Ha, Shred-Head's named after an ancient Japanese secret Energy Boost soft drink. There were turtle toys matching the comic book characters, like Ace Duck (however much thinner and dressed up like a pilot as opposed to a wrestler), Man Ray, Slash, Merdude, Triceraton, that android, Tattoo, Wingnut and Screwloose, Wyrm, Mondo Gecko, Usagi Yojimbo, Panda "something," the Warrior Dragon, that cockroach mutant, Leatherhead, and Casey Jones. They didn't have Jagwar (heh, heh, named after a brand of cars) and Dreadmon, but they had Dirtbag and Groundchuck, as well as that Punk Frogs quad.

12-28-2002, 08:21 PM	#42
Shellfox Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,234	"tell us what we want to know and maybe we'll glue you back together" next panel he's in a bigger pile of scrap They never gave Slash the respect he deserved, He had a great death, be I thought it was a bit of a waste, we never knew if the bugs were really dead, it was implided, but I'm a storg believer in "no Body, no death".

12-28-2002, 09:31 PM	#43
darthsmozers Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,278	Jephael, I love that quote In terms of the NEW Mirage series, I have all 6 or 7 issues so far, havent read a single on though. Im so partial to the TMNTA series (mosty 38-72) that I havent really wanted to get into the more "adult" series yet...i guess i better But, from what I understand, this continues the other Mirage series'....which I havent read....what should I know before delving into them? Where, oh where, is Chris Allan? I LOVED his TMNT work Id love a poster If only..

12-29-2002, 09:33 AM	#46
Shellfox Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,234	Back to the topic at hand How did Curly live? Hes a cow head for cring out loud

12-30-2002, 09:53 PM	#49
darthsmozers Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,278	I loved when the whole "Eye of Sarnoth" was expanded in the issues leading-up to issue 50. Great way of tying in the old issues there!!

12-31-2002, 09:14 AM	#50
Shellfox Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,234	Loved how they finnaly worked everything with Don together in 49-50, finally making the Japaenes spirts and Other who came to don tie together with the turn stone. It was in the Letters page how those 2 would all link to something big in dons future, so I'm guessing the turn stone. Kinda makes you wonder what else coul;d have happened to don

12-31-2002, 09:54 AM	#51
darthsmozers Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,278	I must add: April was drawn VERY well in the first April O'Niel miniseries, as well as those issues done by Chris Allan....the long, straight hair was a different look for her entirely.

01-03-2003, 05:25 PM	#56
Ubiqtysync Mouser Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 12	TMNT Adventures Comic Book Archie Series. I stumbled across a garbage bag-sized sack in my closet today. It contains all the TMNT toys I scurried to get when I was younger. I really need to sell these things. However, I realized that they also made a Rat King action figure and that this character appears in both the Mirage and Archie comic book series. I have the four original Playmates TMNT figurines. I wonder if these'll be worth anything someday. I also have these minuscule plastic, baby turtle-sized electroluminescent toys that, to the best of my recollection, came from those trash-can Playdo cup-like green ooze packages they sold for a while. I think I'll keep these, considering I enjoy all things holographic or electroluminescent. I also have this 5th Anniversary TMNT "Leonardo" Limited Edition silver-ish statue. It's nothing more than a cheaply made trophy of a shimmering silver-plated Leonardo. However, I wouldn't mind finding some way of dislodging his swords from his hands to give to the original Leo figurine. I never understood why they always equipped the turtles with weapons colored light brown, especially for Raph and Leo. One last thing: what is up with this sui generis "bimbo" April O'Neil figurine? It has black puffy hair and is armed with cosmetic weapons, like--I kid you not--lipstick nunchucks and a compact-mirror ninja star. This had to be some inside joke, but it surprises me that Playmates actually released this thing to young kids.

01-03-2003, 07:10 PM	#57
Shellfox Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,234	Once more back to the Archie series and normal sized posts what was with Null? I know he wanted to kill everything but why'd he first appear as a business man? And how did he hook up with Magna?

01-04-2003, 12:59 PM	#58
darthsmozers Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,278	I dont know but seeing him as the devil (or A devil) was pretty neat!

01-04-2003, 03:32 PM	#60
darthsmozers Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 1,278	they must have been pretty open minded, especially when no religion really helped prevent the grim outcome in the future stories...