Should "The Shredder" be a mantle that is passed down from person to person?

*CyberCubed* · 06-06-2011, 09:26 AM

When the franchise first started, we always thought of Shredder as simply being the human Oroku Saki. The idea of Shredder being a mantle passed down to other characters, or "other versions" of Shredder simply hadn't existed yet.

In the same manner that in Batman, Robin has been portrayed by like 4 different characters. The classic Dick Grayson, then Jason Todd, then Tim Drake, and now Damian Wayne.

We're seen Karai briefly take over the mantle in the 4kids series, there is Lady Shredder from the Image series, Raph becomes the Shredder himself for a short time, the 4kids series has multiple Shredder's from Ch'rell, to Demon Shredder to Cyber Shredder. Then there are the worm clone Shredder's from Mirage.

Should, "The Shredder" be a mantle or just one particular character?

*Candy Kappa* · 06-06-2011, 09:31 AM

No Oroku Saki is The Shredder, if other characters would use his Shredder persona it's just a ripp-off from Saki and not taking over the mantle

*sdp* · 06-06-2011, 10:45 AM

Mixed opinions, I think its cool for Karai to wear the mantle for a while or say if in Fast Forward someone had taken the mantle. But outside of those examples I don't think the Shredder works as a Mantle as say The Flash since Oroku Saki IS the Shredder, someone else can try to relive and bring back the Foot but it would never be the same, they'd still be the "new" shredder trying to bring back the evil of the first one.

I know it seems I'm contradicting myself but I'm not, there is only one Shredder but I'm ok with someone else trying to take the mantle but he'd never live up to the name. Again The Flash example is a good one since Wally West took the mantle and more than lived up to the name.

*Revan* · 06-06-2011, 11:56 AM

Should the name "The Shredder" be passed on? In my opinion no. Mainly for one reason, it is kind of a silly name if you actually take the time to think about it. The Shredder? What does that name have to do with anything the foot stands for? I am as big a tmnt fan as anyone here and I love the Shredder as a villain. I am not saying the character is silly, but only his name: Shredder

I do think his "job" should be passed down. It is only logical if the foot is to survive after Saki's demise. The foot needs a leader. However, the name "Shredder" shouldn't be passed as well.

*Andrew NDB* · 06-06-2011, 12:26 PM

I'm not convinced "The Shredder" was entirely Saki's entire creation in the Mirage universe so I don't think it's unreasonable that it could be a mantle passed along.

*Master Splinter* · 06-06-2011, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I'm not convinced "The Shredder" was entirely Saki's entire creation in the Mirage universe so I don't think it's unreasonable that it could be a mantle passed along.

This sounds about right to me.

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*Revan* · 06-06-2011, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I'm not convinced "The Shredder" was entirely Saki's entire creation in the Mirage universe so I don't think it's unreasonable that it could be a mantle passed along.

entirely

Even so. I believe the question is, "Should" the mantle be passed. Do you think it should or shouldn't

*Andrew NDB* · 06-06-2011, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Neutrino

entirely

Even so. I believe the question is, "Should" the mantle be passed. Do you think it should or shouldn't

I don't think it should be an arbitrary thing, like, "The last Shredder is dead, that means it's time to pick a new Shredder!"

FearlessLeader · 06-06-2011, 01:03 PM

I do think the title of the "Shredder" should be passed along, I think it adds a depth and makes the persona a much more viable threat then it simply being one man who had a vendetta at one time.

I actually would love to see a tradition created were it is an ancient title that has carried from a Warlord in Feudal Japan, I always really liked that idea from 4Kids (even if I wish everyone who wore it had been human and either descendants or simply admirers of the titles, versus demons and Utroms *laughs*)

Though I agree with whoever else said it the Shredder does seem like kind of a silly name, I have been rewatching the Ninja Tribunal arch and one thing that struck me was why in the heck an ancient demon would call themselves that

*Revan* · 06-06-2011, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I don't think it should be an arbitrary thing, like, "The last Shredder is dead, that means it's time to pick a new Shredder!"

agreed

I wonder. Is the leader of the foot a position which is bestowed or one which is claimed? City at War indicated Karai came from another branch of the foot. But was she chosen or is it more of an unofficial title?

IamtheKnight · 06-06-2011, 03:01 PM

It was okay when Ch'rell was the Shredder because by then there wasn't this whole demon/ real/tengu crap. I also didn't mind it when Karai was the Shredder.

RiseAbove873 · 06-06-2011, 05:56 PM

I prefer Shredder being Oroku Saki and nobody else. He IS the Shredder.

*Bauer536* · 06-06-2011, 06:23 PM

Oruku Saki is the Shredder, but the title can be passed down to others, kind of like Karai or some Foot Ninja devoted to the clan. I would like Shredder to still be Oruku Saki, still. Let's say he's killed. Someone takes his place, maybe a man or woman, until all of a sudden, he comes back to life. So I do think it would be interesting if people of the clan were to take his place if so. Of course, it would be cool to have him return.

*Eiko* · 06-06-2011, 06:23 PM

Shredder is Oroku Saki and should remain that way.

*Powder* · 06-06-2011, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I'm not convinced "The Shredder" was entirely Saki's entire creation in the Mirage universe so I don't think it's unreasonable that it could be a mantle passed along.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

I don't think it should be an arbitrary thing, like, "The last Shredder is dead, that means it's time to pick a new Shredder!"

This is how I feel. I think it can be cool at times, others not so much. I don't think it "should" be passed down, like, as a mandatory thing, but it works from time to time. For instance, I LOVED Raph Shredder in vol. 3 but hated when Karai was Shredder in 2k3.

That being said, I didn't vote 'cause I'm in the middle.

*Koi* · 06-06-2011, 07:42 PM

I liked Karai as the Shredder. So yeah.

*Redeemer* · 06-06-2011, 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Neutrino

Should the name "The Shredder" be passed on? In my opinion no. Mainly for one reason, it is kind of a silly name if you actually take the time to think about it. The Shredder? What does that name have to do with anything the foot stands for? I am as big a tmnt fan as anyone here and I love the Shredder as a villain. I am not saying the character is silly, but only his name: Shredder

I do think his "job" should be passed down. It is only logical if the foot is to survive after Saki's demise. The foot needs a leader. However, the name "Shredder" shouldn't be passed as well.

The shredder describes Saki and only Saki's persona, I think there should be some kind of mantle withen the foot, but now the Shredder in particular

Keldor1578 · 06-07-2011, 12:08 AM

Personally i found Oroku Saki as the Shredder to be boring as hell imho, But Oroku Saki as the utrom Shredder Ch'rell, now that is an interesting character. The shredder for me worked as a legacy character.

Fugitoid Jones · 06-07-2011, 02:08 AM

I prefer either Oroku Saki or Karai to be the Shredder, that's it. I feel if being Shredder becomes a mantle, then it becomes less personal to the Turtles and they're just fighting someone who took up their old enemy's likeness, rather than fighting someone they've had a personal connection with.

*Luzmagica* · 06-07-2011, 11:56 AM

Im hesitating this poll a lot...I feel in the middle too...

....I prefer only unic true Shredder as Oroku Saki....and "Shredder" is His title because his cruelty!...
....Just thougth like a tradition for the Foot clan sounds nice....The boss (new one) must be a "Shredder" also... Once the previous had fail/be defeated....for not loose the reputation of the whole Clan...

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I prefer Shredder just be the human Oroku Saki and nobody else	16	50.00%
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06-06-2011, 09:26 AM	#1
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,878	Should "The Shredder" be a mantle that is passed down from person to person? When the franchise first started, we always thought of Shredder as simply being the human Oroku Saki. The idea of Shredder being a mantle passed down to other characters, or "other versions" of Shredder simply hadn't existed yet. In the same manner that in Batman, Robin has been portrayed by like 4 different characters. The classic Dick Grayson, then Jason Todd, then Tim Drake, and now Damian Wayne. We're seen Karai briefly take over the mantle in the 4kids series, there is Lady Shredder from the Image series, Raph becomes the Shredder himself for a short time, the 4kids series has multiple Shredder's from Ch'rell, to Demon Shredder to Cyber Shredder. Then there are the worm clone Shredder's from Mirage. Should, "The Shredder" be a mantle or just one particular character?

06-06-2011, 09:31 AM	#2
Candy Kappa The Agenda of Existing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vikingland Posts: 14,596	No Oroku Saki is The Shredder, if other characters would use his Shredder persona it's just a ripp-off from Saki and not taking over the mantle __________________ devianArt Instagram Youtube Tumblr Art Blog Patreon

06-06-2011, 10:45 AM	#3
sdp Detoxed Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Tokio, Italy Posts: 11,219	Mixed opinions, I think its cool for Karai to wear the mantle for a while or say if in Fast Forward someone had taken the mantle. But outside of those examples I don't think the Shredder works as a Mantle as say The Flash since Oroku Saki IS the Shredder, someone else can try to relive and bring back the Foot but it would never be the same, they'd still be the "new" shredder trying to bring back the evil of the first one. I know it seems I'm contradicting myself but I'm not, there is only one Shredder but I'm ok with someone else trying to take the mantle but he'd never live up to the name. Again The Flash example is a good one since Wally West took the mantle and more than lived up to the name. __________________ *Trapt* *urself Page MiscRave!!!* Click to join The Drome Discord server

06-06-2011, 11:56 AM	#4
Revan Han Shot First Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Paper Street Soap Company Posts: 3,687	Should the name "The Shredder" be passed on? In my opinion no. Mainly for one reason, it is kind of a silly name if you actually take the time to think about it. The Shredder? What does that name have to do with anything the foot stands for? I am as big a tmnt fan as anyone here and I love the Shredder as a villain. I am not saying the character is silly, but only his name: Shredder I do think his "job" should be passed down. It is only logical if the foot is to survive after Saki's demise. The foot needs a leader. However, the name "Shredder" shouldn't be passed as well. __________________

06-06-2011, 12:26 PM	#5
Andrew NDB Weed Whacker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Auburn, WA Posts: 34,549	I'm not convinced "The Shredder" was entirely Saki's entire creation in the Mirage universe so I don't think it's unreasonable that it could be a mantle passed along. __________________ [ ODYSSEY \| ORIGIN \| THE IMAGE/VOL. 3 CONCLUSION \| THE SHELLSHOCKED PODCAST \| ON FACEBOOK ]

06-06-2011, 01:03 PM	#9
FearlessLeader Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Watching Space Heroes Posts: 1,048	I do think the title of the "Shredder" should be passed along, I think it adds a depth and makes the persona a much more viable threat then it simply being one man who had a vendetta at one time. I actually would love to see a tradition created were it is an ancient title that has carried from a Warlord in Feudal Japan, I always really liked that idea from 4Kids (even if I wish everyone who wore it had been human and either descendants or simply admirers of the titles, versus demons and Utroms laughs) Though I agree with whoever else said it the Shredder does seem like kind of a silly name, I have been rewatching the Ninja Tribunal arch and one thing that struck me was why in the heck an ancient demon would call themselves that __________________ Artwork by Jim Lawson

06-06-2011, 03:01 PM	#11
IamtheKnight Stone Warrior Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Gotham City Posts: 701	It was okay when Ch'rell was the Shredder because by then there wasn't this whole demon/ real/tengu crap. I also didn't mind it when Karai was the Shredder.

06-06-2011, 05:56 PM	#12
RiseAbove873 Foot Soldier Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 182	I prefer Shredder being Oroku Saki and nobody else. He IS the Shredder.

06-06-2011, 06:23 PM	#13
Bauer536 Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2011 Location: United States Posts: 1,550	Oruku Saki is the Shredder, but the title can be passed down to others, kind of like Karai or some Foot Ninja devoted to the clan. I would like Shredder to still be Oruku Saki, still. Let's say he's killed. Someone takes his place, maybe a man or woman, until all of a sudden, he comes back to life. So I do think it would be interesting if people of the clan were to take his place if so. Of course, it would be cool to have him return.

06-06-2011, 06:23 PM	#14
Eiko Aussie and Proud Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Foot HQ Australia Posts: 1,816	Shredder is Oroku Saki and should remain that way. __________________

06-06-2011, 07:42 PM	#16
Koi Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 1,787	I liked Karai as the Shredder. So yeah.

06-07-2011, 12:08 AM	#18
Keldor1578 Hench Mutant Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 265	Personally i found Oroku Saki as the Shredder to be boring as hell imho, But Oroku Saki as the utrom Shredder Ch'rell, now that is an interesting character. The shredder for me worked as a legacy character.

06-07-2011, 02:08 AM	#19
Fugitoid Jones Stone Warrior Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: D'hoonib, VT Posts: 886	I prefer either Oroku Saki or Karai to be the Shredder, that's it. I feel if being Shredder becomes a mantle, then it becomes less personal to the Turtles and they're just fighting someone who took up their old enemy's likeness, rather than fighting someone they've had a personal connection with. __________________ "You are right, I have always known about man. From the evidence, I believe his wisdom must walk hand and hand with his idiocy. His emotions must rule his brain. He must be a warlike creature who gives battle to everything around him, even himself." -Dr. Zaius

06-07-2011, 11:56 AM	#20
Luzmagica A Magic Light Dudette! Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Spain. Posts: 3,878	Im hesitating this poll a lot...I feel in the middle too... ....I prefer only unic true Shredder as Oroku Saki....and "Shredder" is His title because his cruelty!... ....Just thougth like a tradition for the Foot clan sounds nice....The boss (new one) must be a "Shredder" also... Once the previous had fail/be defeated....for not loose the reputation of the whole Clan... __________________