But Eastman and Laird, where are they? - Page 2

Donatello02 · 02-01-2003, 07:20 PM

Krang is based on the utroms right? So in a way....nah. Never mind.

Aztec General · 02-01-2003, 07:50 PM

Reznorite there was nothing inflammatory about my previous post. So do us all a favor and lose the sarcasm.

I was in no way attempting to create a Mirage vs. Original Toon argument. I was merely stating that I'm tired of people not getting the theme of the new toon (and for that matter the new direction of TMNT in general). This is a back to comic roots movement for the franchise. It has been made very clear that the new show will not be based off of the old one. The new show is going to be radically different from what mainstream TMNT fans know (except those familiar with the first movie). I just wish people would understand this and get ready for the new era of TMNT. It looks great so far let's all watch it and hopefully enjoy it.

Don't ANYONE here tell me what a "true" TMNT fan "should" like. That's just absurd. I am a Mirage fan, but I acknowledge that some TMNT fans enjoy the other versions. I don't need to like "everything" to be a TMNT fan. By that definition we'd all be professing our love for The Next Mutation, the Image series, and the TMNT Christmas Special

.

Finally:
Why post on a TMNT website with a title referenced from the original toon? That's an easy one, because this is the best TMNT forum on the internet by far! Can anyone argue that?

beaker · 02-01-2003, 08:01 PM

[quote="Rat King"] The new show is going to be radically different from what mainstream TMNT fans know (except those familiar with the first movie). I just wish people would understand this and get ready for the new era of TMNT. It looks great so far let's all watch it and hopefully enjoy it.

I agree with everything you said!

Let the new era of TMNT commence!

Psycrow · 02-01-2003, 08:13 PM

Hm... I'm going to enjoy the new TMNT series. I'm not gonna try to compare it to the old TMNT series (yet that will no doubt be impossible), but I am really exicted about February 8th!

~~Reznorite420~~ · 02-01-2003, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Rat King

Reznorite there was nothing inflammatory about my previous post. So do us all a favor and lose the sarcasm.
[blah blah blah]

You might not have thought so when you posted, but you still gotta watch what you say, and my response was the perfect example that just because YOU might not think it's inflammatory does not mean that it isn't.

Besides, I don't think it's your right to tell me what not to say. I'll respond to a post as I see fit.

Aztec General · 02-01-2003, 09:56 PM

I see by the "blah, blah, blah" you really took the time to read what I wrote. Whatever.

CanadianFett · 02-02-2003, 02:57 AM

Why all the hate?
Why can't we just get along?
*sniff* I can't wait for the day an original cartoon fan can stand side by side with an original comic fan, who's standing by a Next Mutation fan without arguing over which is better...*sniff*

Seriously though, as someone who grew up with the old cartoon, I love it, and I'm obviously gonna miss many elements.
Will I miss the silliness and pizza and the like?
Prolly not.
Will I miss the cameos and other mutants?
You bet I will. If you ask me, that's where the new franchise took a wrong turn. Look at the relaunch of MOTU. A casual fan walking down the toy aisle looks at the new Tri Klops and remembers how cool his old Tri figure was, and how freaking awesome he looks now, and might pick one up for nostalgia's sake. Or, it may be enough to get him to start collecting the entire line.

Look at the new TMNT from a casual fan's eyes. They're gonna miss the old guys, like Bebop and Rocksteady. They might pick up the fab four, and shredder, but that's prolly where they'll stop.

I have to say that I kinda agree. What they've got now is good stuff. But where do they go? Where do they expand? If Playmates thinks that I want figures of the Purple Dragons they have to think again.
I want to see the old figures I had get reimagined. I wanna see Slash from someone else's eyes, redesigned to kick more major ass.
It's what made the MOTU relaunch so successful. It's fun waiting to see how they're gonna improve the old figs.
It's also not very smart of a marketing team. Who's an eight year old gonna want...a gang member, or a freaky mutant? I'd have to say mutant.

Sparvid · 02-02-2003, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Deathknight

I'd like to know who here actually read the comics when they first came out and didn't just read them cause they liked the cartoons and movies.

I don't think I ever liked the cartoon... Now, the Archies, on the other hand!

Aaand, trying to get this back on topic (hey kids, remember that?

)

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Originally Posted by beaker

Wow, the above is news to me about Laird solely owning it. Wonder why that happened.

I think it was like this: Kevin wanted to spend all his time on his own stuff, so instead of attributing to the Turtles almost non-existant shape, he let Peter have all ownership so that the TMNT in the future could be revived in a more efficient way

**Karpo_007** · 02-02-2003, 09:27 AM

You are wrong, A Original Mirage fan who has read the comic from 84 could say that cartoon fans are not true TMNT fans. Im am not that peron.

Here goes my story again... As a kid, I loved archie and the cartoon. Back then at that age, I wouldn't have had any intrest towards Mirage. When the TMNT craze died, I, and many people around here forgot it.

I got back into it last summer, when I found the TMNT-files channel and started downloading the episodes. It was there when I got my first Mirage TMNT scans. I was sold. I bought all the Old Mirage, and Now My collection is pretty much complete.

What Makes me think Mirage is better than the Goofy cartoon? Basicly the fact, that I loved to found out, that the thing I loved most as a kid existed in a mature, well written form that is not ment for little kids. Real, intresting story lines ETC. It is truly the best format for the TMNT.

But comparing those is unfair. The TMNT cartoon was made for a kid's show, and as that it was great. Of course I can't judge it like kids would, for when I was a kid, I didn't care if the show was repeatitive or if the TMNT were too goofy, it was part of the thing I loved. Im sure kids today would love it aswell.

I will never forget the old cartoon, I had many good times with it. And there is nothing wrong in liking that show. It is perfect for children's entertainment. Still now it is a time of change, You should accept the fact that TMNT is somewhat returning to it's roots. as Ratking pointed out, this seems to be easier for Mirage fans.

Supermik · 02-02-2003, 09:38 AM

Yes Karpo you are right, but for example in Itlay there weren't comics (*), all the italian kids knew the Turtles only with the cartoon.
I'm a TMNT fan because (like all italian kids) i saw the cartoon!
I know Archie comics because i bought them in USA some months ago when i restarted to watch old TMNT TV shows.

(*) No editors never published TMNT comics, Italians don't know actually what are TMNT comics!

These are my opinions, please excuse me.

**Karpo_007** · 02-02-2003, 09:46 AM

Archie was published in Finland, but Mirage never came here. I bought them all from US.

Supermik · 02-02-2003, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Karpo_007

Archie was published in Finland, but Mirage never came here. I bought them all from US.

For somethings Italy is a very beautiful Country, for others is very unlucky

02-01-2003, 07:20 PM	#21
Donatello02 Stone Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Florida Posts: 503	Krang is based on the utroms right? So in a way....nah. Never mind. __________________ 'What ninja weapon did Don get? A stickball bat. Hey, you can call it a 'bo'. But you can call it a Ford Tempo too...it's still just a stick.'

02-01-2003, 07:50 PM	#22
Aztec General Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,437	Reznorite there was nothing inflammatory about my previous post. So do us all a favor and lose the sarcasm. I was in no way attempting to create a Mirage vs. Original Toon argument. I was merely stating that I'm tired of people not getting the theme of the new toon (and for that matter the new direction of TMNT in general). This is a back to comic roots movement for the franchise. It has been made very clear that the new show will not be based off of the old one. The new show is going to be radically different from what mainstream TMNT fans know (except those familiar with the first movie). I just wish people would understand this and get ready for the new era of TMNT. It looks great so far let's all watch it and hopefully enjoy it. Don't ANYONE here tell me what a "true" TMNT fan "should" like. That's just absurd. I am a Mirage fan, but I acknowledge that some TMNT fans enjoy the other versions. I don't need to like "everything" to be a TMNT fan. By that definition we'd all be professing our love for The Next Mutation, the Image series, and the TMNT Christmas Special . Finally: Why post on a TMNT website with a title referenced from the original toon? That's an easy one, because this is the best TMNT forum on the internet by far! Can anyone argue that? __________________

02-01-2003, 08:01 PM	#23
beaker Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Northern California Posts: 483	[quote="Rat King"] The new show is going to be radically different from what mainstream TMNT fans know (except those familiar with the first movie). I just wish people would understand this and get ready for the new era of TMNT. It looks great so far let's all watch it and hopefully enjoy it. I agree with everything you said! Let the new era of TMNT commence! __________________ .:\\.:beaker:.//:. let the 80's entropy begin!

02-01-2003, 08:13 PM	#24
Psycrow Hench Mutant Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 435	Hm... I'm going to enjoy the new TMNT series. I'm not gonna try to compare it to the old TMNT series (yet that will no doubt be impossible), but I am really exicted about February 8th! __________________ "Before you criticize others you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you criticize them, you're a mile away... and you have their shoes."

02-01-2003, 09:56 PM	#26
Aztec General Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,437	I see by the "blah, blah, blah" you really took the time to read what I wrote. Whatever. __________________

02-02-2003, 02:57 AM	#27
CanadianFett Random Punk Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 27	Why all the hate? Why can't we just get along? sniff I can't wait for the day an original cartoon fan can stand side by side with an original comic fan, who's standing by a Next Mutation fan without arguing over which is better...sniff Seriously though, as someone who grew up with the old cartoon, I love it, and I'm obviously gonna miss many elements. Will I miss the silliness and pizza and the like? Prolly not. Will I miss the cameos and other mutants? You bet I will. If you ask me, that's where the new franchise took a wrong turn. Look at the relaunch of MOTU. A casual fan walking down the toy aisle looks at the new Tri Klops and remembers how cool his old Tri figure was, and how freaking awesome he looks now, and might pick one up for nostalgia's sake. Or, it may be enough to get him to start collecting the entire line. Look at the new TMNT from a casual fan's eyes. They're gonna miss the old guys, like Bebop and Rocksteady. They might pick up the fab four, and shredder, but that's prolly where they'll stop. I have to say that I kinda agree. What they've got now is good stuff. But where do they go? Where do they expand? If Playmates thinks that I want figures of the Purple Dragons they have to think again. I want to see the old figures I had get reimagined. I wanna see Slash from someone else's eyes, redesigned to kick more major ass. It's what made the MOTU relaunch so successful. It's fun waiting to see how they're gonna improve the old figs. It's also not very smart of a marketing team. Who's an eight year old gonna want...a gang member, or a freaky mutant? I'd have to say mutant.

02-02-2003, 09:27 AM	#29
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	You are wrong, A Original Mirage fan who has read the comic from 84 could say that cartoon fans are not true TMNT fans. Im am not that peron. Here goes my story again... As a kid, I loved archie and the cartoon. Back then at that age, I wouldn't have had any intrest towards Mirage. When the TMNT craze died, I, and many people around here forgot it. I got back into it last summer, when I found the TMNT-files channel and started downloading the episodes. It was there when I got my first Mirage TMNT scans. I was sold. I bought all the Old Mirage, and Now My collection is pretty much complete. What Makes me think Mirage is better than the Goofy cartoon? Basicly the fact, that I loved to found out, that the thing I loved most as a kid existed in a mature, well written form that is not ment for little kids. Real, intresting story lines ETC. It is truly the best format for the TMNT. But comparing those is unfair. The TMNT cartoon was made for a kid's show, and as that it was great. Of course I can't judge it like kids would, for when I was a kid, I didn't care if the show was repeatitive or if the TMNT were too goofy, it was part of the thing I loved. Im sure kids today would love it aswell. I will never forget the old cartoon, I had many good times with it. And there is nothing wrong in liking that show. It is perfect for children's entertainment. Still now it is a time of change, You should accept the fact that TMNT is somewhat returning to it's roots. as Ratking pointed out, this seems to be easier for Mirage fans.

02-02-2003, 09:38 AM	#30
Supermik Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Italy Posts: 286	You are Yes Karpo you are right, but for example in Itlay there weren't comics (), all the italian kids knew the Turtles only with the cartoon. I'm a TMNT fan because (like all italian kids) i saw the cartoon! I know Archie comics because i bought them in USA some months ago when i restarted to watch old TMNT TV shows. () No editors never published TMNT comics, Italians don't know actually what are TMNT comics! These are my opinions, please excuse me. __________________ Is there a problem?! Supermik solve it... COWABUNGA, AMIGOS! Supermik

02-02-2003, 09:46 AM	#31
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Archie was published in Finland, but Mirage never came here. I bought them all from US.