Are the mutant allies more popular than the mutant villains? - Page 2

Avatar Yuffie · 02-18-2012, 03:37 AM

Pretty much.

Huge shame the Mutanimals animated show didn't leave the ground. They had potential.

*Mr._Mutant_Man* · 02-18-2012, 11:33 PM

No, I don't think they are more popular.

Bebop and Rocksteady are remembered more fondly than the rest of those characters put together.

Leatherhead is probably more well known as a villain.

*CyberCubed* · 02-18-2012, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr._Mutant_Man

Bebop and Rocksteady are remembered more fondly than the rest of those characters put together.

Leatherhead is probably more well known as a villain.

I am talking other than Rocksteady, Bebop, Leatherhead and fly-Baxter.

It seems other the only other really popular mutant villains were Slash, Rahzar/Tokka, and Armaggon.

*Mr._Mutant_Man* · 02-18-2012, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I am talking other than Rocksteady, Bebop, Leatherhead and fly-Baxter.

It seems other the only other really popular mutant villains were Slash, Rahzar/Tokka, and Armaggon.

Still, I would say those few villains are more popular than the other characters.

The mutant allies might outnumber them, but that doesn't mean they are as popular.

juxtapose519 · 02-19-2012, 11:07 AM

Despite reading a lot of the comics, I never liked most of the mutant allies. Even as a kid I hated how many new miscellaneous animal friends they would churn out and feature once or twice before they were never heard from again. 1991 was the first year I didn't buy all the toys because I didn't even recognize half the characters.

The villains will always be more memorable to me. Oh, and Leatherhead will always be a villain, and my favourite one at that.

*CyberCubed* · 06-23-2012, 11:25 PM

I think they are more popular.

Really outside of Bebop/Rocksteady, Leatherhead, Fly-Baxter, Rahzar/Tokka, and Slash...the others weren't really that popular.

I really like Groundchuck and Dirtbag, but they're pretty obscure for most.

*Mr.Turtle* · 06-23-2012, 11:50 PM

thats because the bad guys always lose and nobody likes losers.

*CyberCubed* · 06-23-2012, 11:54 PM

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thats because the bad guys always lose and nobody likes losers.

Bad guys are the most important part of a heroes rogues gallery. Without good villains any superhero series is bound to fail.

*Mr.Turtle* · 06-24-2012, 12:03 AM

o ya? explain how heroes even exist w/o the bad guys fail...

*KROW* · 06-24-2012, 12:44 AM

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I disagree. I'd say it's pretty fair balanced, if not leaning towards villains being more popular. The majority of the TMNT's mutant allies were known from Archie, not the show. There's no doubt the OT was watched far more than the Archie comic was read. I'm sure if I were to ask casual fans they'd remember fellas like Metalhead over Wingnut. The toyline also helped further the popularity of the villains, I would imagine. The same could probably be said of some of the allies but kids also remember the evil stuff more fondly for their "badass" appearances, I think.

I'm going with Powder on this one. Villains have more staying power over time due to their exposure, making them more memorable and more popular than the turtle friends.

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o ya? explain how heroes even exist w/o the bad guys fail...

That's a losing battle and I'd rather be liked.

*Cipher* · 06-24-2012, 02:53 AM

All I know is as a kid I considered most new mutant characters de facto villains and thought it was an exception otherwise.

Probably just stemmed from the Fred Wolf cartoon and toyline being more stacked with mutant villains than allies (although, I guess Playmates was actually sort of 50/50, wasn't it?).

Also, they really helped give the TMNT a colorful rogues gallery. And be honest; that's a cooler thing to have than a bunch of allies.

(Also, on the above, I always considered Metalhead and Wingnut villains, and still think of that as their primary setting. Again, Fred Wolf cartoon and Turtles in Time.)

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 06-24-2012, 04:42 AM

Does anybody know the origins of Al-Falqa & Kathmandu? Mutants (can't be aliens) or just "born that way"? Or maybe from Usagi Yojimbo's alternate reality (which I doubt, as it isn't seen in Archie)?

*MikeandRaph87* · 06-24-2012, 02:53 PM

I always thought the villains were more interesting,mutants or otherwise. The Punk Frogs and Mondo Gecko are cool but there are some that are not mutants like Usagi who was pointed out as an intedeminsional being much like the humaniod nuetrios. Archie had Jagwar and Dreadmon who I don't think are classified as mutants and others like the Asian Adventure cast from Archie as referenced above. Regardless the villains are more interesting to me and I thought to fandom when it came to allies and enemies. There so many great characters like Slash,Leatherhead, Armaggon,Bebop,Rocksteady, Scumbug, and a few others. Some I hope will be expanded on like the suprirse usage of Metalhead.

*Mr.Turtle* · 06-24-2012, 11:39 PM

i think metalhead can be both good n bad.

LotusBlossom · 06-26-2012, 06:44 PM

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Scumbug, Wyrm and Antrax got appearances in the show/Archie series but never seemed to become that popular. Is it because all 3 are based on bugs?

Maybe their unpopularity is more due to the specific kinds of bugs they were (because, like, two of those three were ugly as hell).

Speaking of which, too bad there was never a tarantula-based character. I bet he/she would have been really popular.

*MikeandRaph87* · 06-26-2012, 07:58 PM

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Maybe their unpopularity is more due to the specific kinds of bugs they were (because, like, two of those three were ugly as hell).

Speaking of which, too bad there was never a tarantula-based character. I bet he/she would have been really popular.

I never thought of any of those characters as upopular just not exposed enough. None of them are bad characters.

Toxeem, I believe was a trantula-like being.He only appeared once in TMNT Adventures#52. No word if was to appear a second time in The Forever War.

*CyberCubed* · 06-26-2012, 11:46 PM

The most popular mutants are the ones who got the most exposure, like Bebop/Rocksteady for being in like 150 episodes or Rahzar/Tokka from the popularity of the second movie.

Leatherhead was a Mirage created character, so logically he'd show up a lot.

Slash became incredibly popular due to the Archie series, his 3 eps in the OT, his action figure, and being a boss in Turtles in Time in the SNES.

Armaggon became popular for being so damn cool. A shark mutant was an awesome idea that should have happened earlier.

I'd say Groundchuck/Dirtbag making it into TMNT III on the NES made them slightly more well known if they weren't.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 06-27-2012, 04:07 AM

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There's no doubt the OT was watched far more than the Archie comic was read.

Maybe in the USA. Here in Sweden, a lot of people couldn't get access to cable TV 20 years ago, and were left with two Swedish government-operated channels (as a monopoly was around, commercial channels had to air from the UK), so I've heard about a lot of people who mostly just were reading the comics, their only access to the show would be friends and relatives, and some videotapes who were rerleased (not too many).

*Mr.Turtle* · 06-27-2012, 01:15 PM

i like animation better than comics...

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 06-28-2012, 05:03 AM

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Leatherhead was a Mirage created character, so logically he'd show up a lot.

A lot of Mirage characters don't show up at all in the 1987 show/Archie.

02-18-2012, 03:37 AM	#21
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06-23-2012, 11:50 PM	#27
Mr.Turtle Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North America Posts: 1,652	thats because the bad guys always lose and nobody likes losers. __________________

06-24-2012, 12:03 AM	#29
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06-24-2012, 04:42 AM	#32
Original TMNT Cartoon Fan Overlord Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sweden Posts: 10,481	Al-Falqa & Kathmandu Does anybody know the origins of Al-Falqa & Kathmandu? Mutants (can't be aliens) or just "born that way"? Or maybe from Usagi Yojimbo's alternate reality (which I doubt, as it isn't seen in Archie)?

06-24-2012, 02:53 PM	#33
MikeandRaph87 Jedi Master Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: JLA Satellite Headquarters Posts: 11,189	I always thought the villains were more interesting,mutants or otherwise. The Punk Frogs and Mondo Gecko are cool but there are some that are not mutants like Usagi who was pointed out as an intedeminsional being much like the humaniod nuetrios. Archie had Jagwar and Dreadmon who I don't think are classified as mutants and others like the Asian Adventure cast from Archie as referenced above. Regardless the villains are more interesting to me and I thought to fandom when it came to allies and enemies. There so many great characters like Slash,Leatherhead, Armaggon,Bebop,Rocksteady, Scumbug, and a few others. Some I hope will be expanded on like the suprirse usage of Metalhead. __________________ Michelangelo: This looks like a job for the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles! Raphael: Sheesh, Mikey this ain't a cartoon!

02-18-2012, 11:33 PM	#22
Mr._Mutant_Man Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 2,340	No, I don't think they are more popular. Bebop and Rocksteady are remembered more fondly than the rest of those characters put together. Leatherhead is probably more well known as a villain.

02-19-2012, 11:07 AM	#25
juxtapose519 Foot Soldier Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: London, ON Posts: 176	Despite reading a lot of the comics, I never liked most of the mutant allies. Even as a kid I hated how many new miscellaneous animal friends they would churn out and feature once or twice before they were never heard from again. 1991 was the first year I didn't buy all the toys because I didn't even recognize half the characters. The villains will always be more memorable to me. Oh, and Leatherhead will always be a villain, and my favourite one at that.

06-23-2012, 11:25 PM	#26
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,880	I think they are more popular. Really outside of Bebop/Rocksteady, Leatherhead, Fly-Baxter, Rahzar/Tokka, and Slash...the others weren't really that popular. I really like Groundchuck and Dirtbag, but they're pretty obscure for most.

06-24-2012, 02:53 AM	#31
Cipher Foot Elite Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 3,454	All I know is as a kid I considered most new mutant characters de facto villains and thought it was an exception otherwise. Probably just stemmed from the Fred Wolf cartoon and toyline being more stacked with mutant villains than allies (although, I guess Playmates was actually sort of 50/50, wasn't it?). Also, they really helped give the TMNT a colorful rogues gallery. And be honest; that's a cooler thing to have than a bunch of allies. (Also, on the above, I always considered Metalhead and Wingnut villains, and still think of that as their primary setting. Again, Fred Wolf cartoon and Turtles in Time.)

06-24-2012, 11:39 PM	#34
Mr.Turtle Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North America Posts: 1,652	i think metalhead can be both good n bad. __________________

06-26-2012, 11:46 PM	#37
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,880	The most popular mutants are the ones who got the most exposure, like Bebop/Rocksteady for being in like 150 episodes or Rahzar/Tokka from the popularity of the second movie. Leatherhead was a Mirage created character, so logically he'd show up a lot. Slash became incredibly popular due to the Archie series, his 3 eps in the OT, his action figure, and being a boss in Turtles in Time in the SNES. Armaggon became popular for being so damn cool. A shark mutant was an awesome idea that should have happened earlier. I'd say Groundchuck/Dirtbag making it into TMNT III on the NES made them slightly more well known if they weren't.

06-27-2012, 01:15 PM	#39
Mr.Turtle Mad Scientist Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: North America Posts: 1,652	i like animation better than comics... __________________