Sandra Fluke Responds To Rush Limbaugh 'Slut' Comments

[Katie]

The thing about condoms vs birth control pills.....one you have to have a cooperative male....the other you can do for yourself. I don't know if having the pill as part of an insurance or medicaid type program is right, but I do think the pill is too damn expensive and the fact that it requires a perscription and a full fledged exam by a doctor to get makes it out of reach for some women.

I'm in a long term committed relationship. We aren't ready for kids at all. I take birth control pills because I want to be in control of my own fertility without having to rely on my partner to put on the condom or whatever (not that he's a jerk who wouldn't do it, but you get my point).

My pills are about $45 per month. If I didn't have a lot of disposable income, they would be sacrificed for more important things. It's rediculous that they are so expensive. So, if I'm poor and have an uncooperative partner, should I be forced to get pregnant when I don't want to be just because I cannot afford to be in control of my own fertility? Then people would be whining because they have to support me and my kid on WIC and welfare. Seems like a cheaper pill solves a lot here.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Originally Posted by Katie

The thing about condoms vs birth control pills.....one you have to have a cooperative male....the other you can do for yourself. I don't know if having the pill as part of an insurance or medicaid type program is right, but I do think the pill is too damn expensive and the fact that it requires a perscription and a full fledged exam by a doctor to get makes it out of reach for some women.

I'm in a long term committed relationship. We aren't ready for kids at all. I take birth control pills because I want to be in control of my own fertility without having to rely on my partner to put on the condom or whatever (not that he's a jerk who wouldn't do it, but you get my point).

My pills are about $45 per month. If I didn't have a lot of disposable income, they would be sacrificed for more important things. It's rediculous that they are so expensive. So, if I'm poor and have an uncooperative partner, should I be forced to get pregnant when I don't want to be just because I cannot afford to be in control of my own fertility? Then people would be whining because they have to support me and my kid on WIC and welfare. Seems like a cheaper pill solves a lot here.

It's very cheap to control your own fertility. It's called "not having sex."

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

You are such a sad, old person...

You hate being zinged, don't you?

[ToTheNines]

Originally Posted by Jester

Is it because if you want to prevent an STD you can buy a condom at the corner store for a quarter, or get them free from a clinic? Don't those things work to avoid pregnancy as well?

But then u can't feel the puzzy

[BubblyShell22]

While I think Rush's comments were out of line to Ms. Fluke, I do think he has a point in some aspects. Yes, birth control is expensive and hard to get for some women, but you have to understand that there are a lot of conservatives out there who don't believe in birth control. Their belief is to wait until marriage to have sex. Honestly, I think that the idea of paid contraception is ridiculous when you can go to a store and get condoms all you want. While I do think birth control should be cheaper, I really doubt the taxpayers are going to allow that, especially the conservatives. That's just the way it is.

As for me, I'm all for birth control and contraceptives, but I can see that this debate is going to be a lost cause because of the conservatives and their beliefs. We have so many other important issues right now such as the economy and lack of jobs, but this is the thing that people are focused on. People make me sick. They really do.

[Katie]

Originally Posted by Type 97 Chi-ha

It's very cheap to control your own fertility. It's called "not having sex."

Yeah? Not everyone is a frigid b!tch. Should someone in a marriage or relationship not have sex just because they don't want to procreate? sounds terrible. Bonding with your partner through sex is about more than procreating.

All I'm saying is that a female should be allowed to have sex if she chooses and should not have to rely on a man to be in control of her fertility. I hate when politicians (of any flavor) act like women are terrible for having sex or are immoral or whatever when half of them if not more run around having affairs.

[Barkworm]

Originally Posted by Type 97 Chi-ha

You hate being zinged, don't you?

I doubt you even know what that means. But I'll give you that, your weird world views are an endless source of hilarity.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Originally Posted by Katie

Yeah? Not everyone is a frigid b!tch. Should someone in a marriage or relationship not have sex just because they don't want to procreate? sounds terrible. Bonding with your partner through sex is about more than procreating.

All I'm saying is that a female should be allowed to have sex if she chooses and should not have to rely on a man to be in control of her fertility. I hate when politicians (of any flavor) act like women are terrible for having sex or are immoral or whatever when half of them if not more run around having affairs.

I do remember seeing on television years ago about an old woman who was a child during the Great Depression who remembered overhearing her parents argue about sex. The wife didn't want to have sex out of fear of having more children and her husband was quite upset about that.

As far as Sandra Fluke is concerned, if she can afford to go to Georgetown University, she can pay for her contraceptives. Unless she is forced to constantly have sex, her behavior is her own responsibility.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

I doubt you even know what that means. But I'll give you that, your weird world views are an endless source of hilarity.

Yes, I know exactly what it means. It means you're upset that I made a joke about (presumably) your favorite political commentators.

As far as my world views are concerned, they're based on a concept called "reality". FOX News may not tell you what you want to hear, but that doesn't mean they don't tell the truth.

[Barkworm]

Thank you grandpa, you teach me so much. I feel enlightened.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Originally Posted by Barkworm

Thank you grandpa, you teach me so much. I feel enlightened.

You're welcome, sonny.

[Hannah]

Originally Posted by Jester

One thing that I've wondered in this whole debate is, "What about STDs?" The argument is all about potential pregnancy and government paying for prescription birth control pills, but those only stop one possible problem of "unprotected" sex. Is it because if you want to prevent an STD you can buy a condom at the corner store for a quarter, or get them free from a clinic? Don't those things work to avoid pregnancy as well? It's seems like asking to government to use tax dollars to cover prescription codeine cough syrup, when you can buy a bottle of Robitussin over the counter that does the same thing.

Lots of people use birth control for even more things besides preventing pregnancy, such as:
-acne
-menstrual cramps
-heavy periods
-PMS
-irregular or total lack of periods due to a number of reasons, particularly those with damaged ovaries from chemotherapy

And even if the pill did NOTHING else but prevent pregnancy, it's still incredibly important that it's covered by insurance. Sex is natural and healthy and important to many people. Condoms don't work for everyone.

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

While I think Rush's comments were out of line to Ms. Fluke, I do think he has a point in some aspects. Yes, birth control is expensive and hard to get for some women, but you have to understand that there are a lot of conservatives out there who don't believe in birth control. Their belief is to wait until marriage to have sex. Honestly, I think that the idea of paid contraception is ridiculous when you can go to a store and get condoms all you want. While I do think birth control should be cheaper, I really doubt the taxpayers are going to allow that, especially the conservatives. That's just the way it is.

As for me, I'm all for birth control and contraceptives, but I can see that this debate is going to be a lost cause because of the conservatives and their beliefs. We have so many other important issues right now such as the economy and lack of jobs, but this is the thing that people are focused on. People make me sick. They really do.

I don't give a sh*t who believes in waiting until marriage. It's my body, not anyone else's. If you want to wait until marriage to have sex, that's your own business. I don't care. I'm not going to force you to take birth control and have sex. So don't you dare force me to go without it.
And wow, "that's just the way it is!" LOL LET'S NEVER CHALLENGE ANYTHING, EVER. THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS, GUYS.

And yeah, people make you sick? You poor poor thing. How dare anyone be concerned with controlling their own body and fertility when there are OTHER PROBLEMS IN THE WORLD? I guess you can only ever be upset about one thing at a time. Poor you.

Originally Posted by Type 97 Chi-ha

It's very cheap to control your own fertility. It's called "not having sex."

omg you guys sex is ONLY FOR BABIES and only for privileged heterosexual people GEEZE

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Originally Posted by Hannah

Lots of people use birth control for even more things besides preventing pregnancy, such as:
-acne
-menstrual cramps
-heavy periods
-PMS
-irregular or total lack of periods due to a number of reasons, particularly those with damaged ovaries from chemotherapy

And even if the pill did NOTHING else but prevent pregnancy, it's still incredibly important that it's covered by insurance. Sex is natural and healthy and important to many people. Condoms don't work for everyone.



I don't give a sh*t who believes in waiting until marriage. It's my body, not anyone else's. If you want to wait until marriage to have sex, that's your own business. I don't care. I'm not going to force you to take birth control and have sex. So don't you dare force me to go without it.
And wow, "that's just the way it is!" LOL LET'S NEVER CHALLENGE ANYTHING, EVER. THAT'S JUST THE WAY IT IS, GUYS.

And yeah, people make you sick? You poor poor thing. How dare anyone be concerned with controlling their own body and fertility when there are OTHER PROBLEMS IN THE WORLD? I guess you can only ever be upset about one thing at a time. Poor you.


omg you guys sex is ONLY FOR BABIES and only for privileged heterosexual people GEEZE

You make the point that contraceptive medicine is for medical purposes other than preventing pregnancy as well. But guess what? Sex may be pleasurable, but it's not a right, any more than it is a right to smoke cigarettes and get lung cancer or other health problems. Society doesn't have to pay for your personal irresponsibility.

[Hannah]

Originally Posted by Type 97 Chi-ha

You make the point that contraceptive medicine is for medical purposes other than preventing pregnancy as well. But guess what? Sex may be pleasurable, but it's not a right, any more than it is a right to smoke cigarettes and get lung cancer or other health problems. Society doesn't have to pay for your personal irresponsibility.

i'm just gonna leave this here

[Hannah]

But guess what?

[Candy Kappa]

Sometimes I wonder if this Rush person is real, or just some jokers making fun of the US by faking a politician...

Originally Posted by Hannah

Lots of people use birth control for even more things besides preventing pregnancy, such as:
-acne
-menstrual cramps
-heavy periods
-PMS
-irregular or total lack of periods due to a number of reasons, particularly those with damaged ovaries from chemotherapy

beat me to it.

But yeah, birth control pills are, at least here in Norway, recommended to girls and woman that have so severe menstrual pain that they are bed ridden during their period. and the stuff mentioned by Hannah.

And in Norway girls in age 16-19 get birth control pills free as long as they have a prescription

[BubblyShell22]

Hannah, I agree with you. I'm not saying that I believe in sex until marriage. I don't. But there are people out there who do. I'm just being realistic about it. Conservatives aren't going to allow this to happen. You can challenge it all you want, but you're just going to lose when it comes to this issue. People don't want to look at it the way others do. The problem with this country is that people forget that we all have different belief systems. They would rather we all believe in one certain thing and proceed to shove that down our throats.

Plus, there are other ways to have birth control besides the pill such as Mirena and Nuvaring. So, if all else fails, you could always do something like that if you want to. And I know about birth control being for other things. My sister went on it because of her irregular periods. She went off it for a time after her periods became more regular, and I'm not sure if she's still on it or not. But for a lot of people, they see birth control as only one thing and that's what they focus on.

[Type 97 Chi-ha]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Hannah, I agree with you. I'm not saying that I believe in sex until marriage. I don't. But there are people out there who do. I'm just being realistic about it. Conservatives aren't going to allow this to happen. You can challenge it all you want, but you're just going to lose when it comes to this issue. People don't want to look at it the way others do. The problem with this country is that people forget that we all have different belief systems. They would rather we all believe in one certain thing and proceed to shove that down our throats.

Plus, there are other ways to have birth control besides the pill such as Mirena and Nuvaring. So, if all else fails, you could always do something like that if you want to. And I know about birth control being for other things. My sister went on it because of her irregular periods. She went off it for a time after her periods became more regular, and I'm not sure if she's still on it or not. But for a lot of people, they see birth control as only one thing and that's what they focus on.

This is completely beside the point. Rush isn't forcing his views upon anyone; in fact I find that it's the liberals who are often worse about trying to suppress views they don't like. I say that from what I see. He criticizes (legimately IMHO) Fluke and gets shouted down for it. Who's the real "shove it down your throats" types?

In any case, my original point still stands. You have the right to have sex, but you have to take your own responsibility for it. Or to put it in more concrete terms: You have the right to go skiing, but you don't have the right to receive free ski equipment from the government, and you certainly have nobody to blame but yourself if you crash into a tree while going down a hill.

[Navin Johnson]

Originally Posted by Type 97 Chi-ha

In any case, my original point still stands. You have the right to have sex, but you have to take your own responsibility for it. Or to put it in more concrete terms: You have the right to go skiing, but you don't have the right to receive free ski equipment from the government, and you certainly have nobody to blame but yourself if you crash into a tree while going down a hill.

This ^^^^^

[Jester]

I think we're forgetting a key component of the argument, and that's that it's primarily Catholic (and other like minded) employers who don't feel that they should compromise their beliefs by offering contraception on their insurance plans. It's not all conservatives. (I personally have no problem with birth control or other contraception. I'd prefer people be responsible with their sex lives than just have sex without thinking of the consequences) The issue here is should Catholics employers be forced to provide something to their employees that goes against their core beliefs.

Conservatives aren't against birth control being covered, we just think that you shouldn't be enforced by breaching the Bill of Rights.