Do you think Turtles Forever is canon to the OT? - Page 2

*CyberCubed* · 05-15-2012, 11:09 PM

The reason its not canon for Mirage is "Turtle Prime" is quite possibly only issue #1, rather than the Mirage universe.

RiseAbove873 · 05-16-2012, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TurtleFan2012

Does the movie take place between season 1 and 2 of the old toon because the 80's turtles are their goofy selves? What do you guys think?

In my mind, Turtles Forever doesn't exist.

*Jephael* · 05-16-2012, 08:45 PM

Here's how I see it. Those weren't the real classic toon TMNT. They were pale immitations that existed in a pocket dimension. Same goes for the Mirage style TMNT we see in Turtle Prime.

*CyberCubed* · 05-16-2012, 08:46 PM

Except they were the OT TMNT's, there's no reason to think otherwise.

Stingray69 · 05-17-2012, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Except they were the OT TMNT's, there's no reason to think otherwise.

They where defanitly out of character IMO. They acted much more clownish.

METALHEAD · 05-17-2012, 04:21 PM

i like to thhink so...

cammy85 · 05-17-2012, 09:25 PM

I'm wondering if their goofiness was due to getting cocky after Splinter had told them they could handle anyone or anything. Assuming this DID take place after "Divide and Conquer", one could say Splinter stayed because of this cockiness?

*CyberCubed* · 05-17-2012, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Stingray69

They where defanitly out of character IMO. They acted much more clownish.

They were hardly clownish. They had some slight out of character moments but otherwise I recognized them good and well.

*pannoni1* · 05-19-2012, 07:56 AM

That's a good question. While it clearly shows lots of premise, with Shredder, Krang, Bebop & Rocksteady all escape back to their home dimension, along with the fact about saving April once a day, it definitely can conceivably be canon, which is all that matters. Unfortunately, it was written goofier than even Seasons 4-5, though the problem is the way the Technodrome is presented. It likely would be in the later part of Season 3 since in one Zack episode, the Technodrome moved briefly, and some of the plots showed Shredder & Krang very close to getting the supplies needed to raise the Technodrome back to earth. Who cares if the voices were different as well: Season 3 all had alternate Shredder, Krang, Donatello, Raphael, and Bebop voices at some point, more than any other season. Remember, outside of Season 1, the Red Sky, and to a degree Season 2, there was no real continuity in the OT, so this could have been just another episodic adventure within Season 3. But that's just the way I see about it.

*Candy Kappa* · 05-19-2012, 03:27 PM

Red Sky isn't canon to the rest of the 80's show

Too serious

RiseAbove873 · 05-19-2012, 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

They were hardly clownish. They had some slight out of character moments but otherwise I recognized them good and well.

"SLIGHT out of character moments?" Apparently, you've never watched the original cartoon.

*TurtleTitan97* · 05-19-2012, 07:10 PM

Yes, I myself belive that the movie is canon with the OT. I really enjoyed it when I saw it.

Stingray69 · 05-19-2012, 07:19 PM

The ot isn't even canon to itself there for nothing is canon to the ot. Problem solved I win y'all suck hahaha jk.

BlueLightning · 05-20-2012, 02:50 PM

Here is what I think. I think its cannon to all TMNT universes, but the thing with multiverse is that every choice creates another universe.

When the 80's Turtles met the 2003 Turtles it diverged the 80's Turtles timeline (if you want it to take place in, say season 3). They were still the original Turtles, but it diverged their timeline, so in one version all the events of the OT ocurred, and in another Shredder and Krang have the ultimate Technodrome.

Same applies for the Mirage Turtles. It's like when Doc Brown explain Marty the other 1985 whe Biff changes the past.

If anyone saw Justice League Crisis on Two Earths, they understand what I'm talking about.

cartoonistaaron · 05-20-2012, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

They were hardly clownish. They had some slight out of character moments but otherwise I recognized them good and well.

Yeah, I did, too. I never did understand where all the visceral hate came from, concerning the way the OT Turtles were presented in Turtles Forever. I mean, I grew up with that cartoon, and aside from some vocal differences - and yeah, they seemed a little sillier in some places - I think they did a fantastic job. Actually I think 2k3 Shredder came off worse than anyone. He was so super-over-the-top evil it was harder to take him seriously than it was the old Shredder.

As far as "canon," is there still "canon" regarding a cartoon that was cancelled 15 years ago? Turtles Forever seemed to contain enough generalities that you could place it anytime during the seasons when the Technodrome was still on Earth.

Herald7 · 05-20-2012, 04:12 PM

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I never did understand where all the visceral hate came from, concerning the way the OT Turtles were presented in Turtles Forever. I mean, I grew up with that cartoon, and aside from some vocal differences - and yeah, they seemed a little sillier in some places - I think they did a fantastic job.

I just saw very broad and non-subtle writing job. The OT turtles were almost entirely portrayed as silly and thus the 2k3 turtles became the scolding parents the whole time. Neither series was ever that simplistic.

*triplexxx* · 05-20-2012, 11:30 PM

It's real enough to me, takes place at end of both cartoon universes, and did not bash the OT as incompetent sillyheads and the NT as complete killjoys; it showed both teams fight well, work well together, and in the end gain full respect for each other as multiverse counterparts, the Mirage ones as well. As for when something's dismissed as "canon" because of characters acting differently than what the audience is accustomed to and defines as normal (Red Sky, FF, Forever, etc), to me "canon" and "normal" are just made-up words, to me characters acting differently just reveals different sides to them that may not be seen often, even if it means just seeing it once in a lifetime.

*Original TMNT Cartoon Fan* · 05-21-2012, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Red Sky isn't canon to the rest of the 80's show

Too serious

Why not? 1987 TMNT wasn't the first show to switch between humor seasons and more seriousness seasons.

*Candy Kappa* · 05-21-2012, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Swedenfan 1982

Why not? 1987 TMNT wasn't the first show to switch between humor seasons and more seriousness seasons.

Logan · 05-21-2012, 06:49 PM

The OT Turtles needed to be more Season 1 and less Season 4.

05-16-2012, 08:45 PM	#23
Jephael That whack job behind you Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Carlisle, Pennsylvania Posts: 8,143	Here's how I see it. Those weren't the real classic toon TMNT. They were pale immitations that existed in a pocket dimension. Same goes for the Mirage style TMNT we see in Turtle Prime. __________________ "I like it. Simple, but effective!" Raphael; The Mean Machines - 1988

05-17-2012, 04:21 PM	#26
METALHEAD Stone Warrior Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: san benito texas Posts: 734	i like to thhink so... __________________ i ship it.

05-19-2012, 07:56 AM	#29
pannoni1 Foot Elite Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: USA Posts: 3,447	That's a good question. While it clearly shows lots of premise, with Shredder, Krang, Bebop & Rocksteady all escape back to their home dimension, along with the fact about saving April once a day, it definitely can conceivably be canon, which is all that matters. Unfortunately, it was written goofier than even Seasons 4-5, though the problem is the way the Technodrome is presented. It likely would be in the later part of Season 3 since in one Zack episode, the Technodrome moved briefly, and some of the plots showed Shredder & Krang very close to getting the supplies needed to raise the Technodrome back to earth. Who cares if the voices were different as well: Season 3 all had alternate Shredder, Krang, Donatello, Raphael, and Bebop voices at some point, more than any other season. Remember, outside of Season 1, the Red Sky, and to a degree Season 2, there was no real continuity in the OT, so this could have been just another episodic adventure within Season 3. But that's just the way I see about it. __________________ http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...d.php?t=37065- MY WANT LIST TMNT FAN CLUB LINK: http://sot.ag/gCjK/ 30 years of Turtle Power!

05-19-2012, 03:27 PM	#30
Candy Kappa The Agenda of Existing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vikingland Posts: 14,596	Red Sky isn't canon to the rest of the 80's show Too serious __________________ devianArt Instagram Youtube Tumblr Art Blog Patreon

05-19-2012, 07:10 PM	#32
TurtleTitan97 Space Cowboy Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Speed Force Posts: 7,043	Yes, I myself belive that the movie is canon with the OT. I really enjoyed it when I saw it. __________________ Last edited by TurtleTitan97; 05-19-2012 at 08:12 PM.

05-15-2012, 11:09 PM	#21
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,872	The reason its not canon for Mirage is "Turtle Prime" is quite possibly only issue #1, rather than the Mirage universe.

05-16-2012, 08:46 PM	#24
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,872	Except they were the OT TMNT's, there's no reason to think otherwise.

05-17-2012, 09:25 PM	#27
cammy85 Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Minnedosa, MB Canada Posts: 772	I'm wondering if their goofiness was due to getting cocky after Splinter had told them they could handle anyone or anything. Assuming this DID take place after "Divide and Conquer", one could say Splinter stayed because of this cockiness?

05-19-2012, 07:19 PM	#33
Stingray69 Stone Warrior Join Date: Sep 2011 Posts: 916	The ot isn't even canon to itself there for nothing is canon to the ot. Problem solved I win y'all suck hahaha jk. __________________ Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today. Looking to buy old Kool aid flavors no longer produced.

05-20-2012, 02:50 PM	#34
BlueLightning Random Punk Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Ciudad Juarez Chihuahua, Mexico Posts: 49	Here is what I think. I think its cannon to all TMNT universes, but the thing with multiverse is that every choice creates another universe. When the 80's Turtles met the 2003 Turtles it diverged the 80's Turtles timeline (if you want it to take place in, say season 3). They were still the original Turtles, but it diverged their timeline, so in one version all the events of the OT ocurred, and in another Shredder and Krang have the ultimate Technodrome. Same applies for the Mirage Turtles. It's like when Doc Brown explain Marty the other 1985 whe Biff changes the past. If anyone saw Justice League Crisis on Two Earths, they understand what I'm talking about. __________________ "All fathers care for their sons"

05-20-2012, 11:30 PM	#37
triplexxx Mad Scientist Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,817	It's real enough to me, takes place at end of both cartoon universes, and did not bash the OT as incompetent sillyheads and the NT as complete killjoys; it showed both teams fight well, work well together, and in the end gain full respect for each other as multiverse counterparts, the Mirage ones as well. As for when something's dismissed as "canon" because of characters acting differently than what the audience is accustomed to and defines as normal (Red Sky, FF, Forever, etc), to me "canon" and "normal" are just made-up words, to me characters acting differently just reveals different sides to them that may not be seen often, even if it means just seeing it once in a lifetime. __________________ Please don't shoot me Mr. Big Mike. I'm too young and good-looking to die, well too young. I got a father, I got a mother, I got a grandmother, I got a little sister...and a little brother this high (raises hand), and a little brother this high (lowers hand), and little brother this high (lowers hand), and a little brother this high (lowers hand), and a little brother this high (lowers hand) and then I got a great big brother this high (slaps gun and runs). "Fright Night" - Three Stooges

05-21-2012, 06:49 PM	#40
Logan Hench Mutant Join Date: May 2011 Location: Michigan Posts: 483	The OT Turtles needed to be more Season 1 and less Season 4. __________________ We're a team; and as a team let's go kick some ass! -Leonardo Logan the Layman Critic, a youtube channel for movie reviews and animation appreciation. https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCjn...xrKPml1WlYh6Mw