VENUS...thank God she is scrap.

mariomania · 02-17-2003, 01:41 PM

WHo here hated the fact that a new female turtle was brought into the group? So glad the ydecided to scrap her,, was the stupidst thing they could have done,, the turtles should stay 4!

Anyone here actually liked her/?

**Kali** · 02-17-2003, 02:08 PM

*raises her hand* I liked the concept.

Now, I'm not saying they should bring her back. The biggest problem I have with the choice to erase Venus from TMNT was the way they did it. They had incorporated her so deeply in the site and TMNT Letters (a sub-universe in itself) and then suddenly, she was gone from there. Very weak and lazy. Honestly, I would have preferred they kill her off instead. There are better ways to get rid of a character then "poof, she's gone!"

If they'd gone about it with a little more creativity, it wouldn't bother me that much. I'd be like, "okay", then go about my business. But no, they had to cop out and be pathetic about it.

mariomania · 02-17-2003, 02:11 PM

maybe they knew it was a mistake...like everyone else.. lol,,,was just stupid

**Kali** · 02-17-2003, 02:14 PM

Yes, a mistake, but any half-decent artist knows how to cover up a mistake seamlessly. It's NOT that hard, they didn't have to draw attention to it.

**GK Punk** · 02-17-2003, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Kali

*raises her hand* I liked the concept.

Now, I'm not saying they should bring her back. The biggest problem I have with the choice to erase Venus from TMNT was the way they did it. They had incorporated her so deeply in the site and TMNT Letters (a sub-universe in itself) and then suddenly, she was gone from there. Very weak and lazy. Honestly, I would have preferred they kill her off instead. There are better ways to get rid of a character then "poof, she's gone!"

If they'd gone about it with a little more creativity, it wouldn't bother me that much. I'd be like, "okay", then go about my business. But no, they had to cop out and be pathetic about it.

They could have always done the DC Route... (QUICK DESTROY ALL ALTERNATE REALITIES!!!!!)

Shellfox · 02-17-2003, 10:24 PM

she was a good concept with a bad execution. Maybe if they had introduced her in a comic or animated series she may have stuck but the fact that she came from the live action hurt her more than anything else.

Psycrow · 02-18-2003, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Shellfox

she was a good concept with a bad execution. Maybe if they had introduced her in a comic or animated series she may have stuck but the fact that she came from the live action hurt her more than anything else.

And the fact that she was the fifth turtle from the bowl (pretty lame in itself) and she knew magic...

MAGIC!

ninjaturtles · 02-18-2003, 01:01 AM

With Venus being a character. She ruins the whole plot. She is not like her turtle brothers, I mean, like one big difference is that they were named after painters from the Italin Reassisance and she was not, plus they were original characters.

It is just like there being a new Punk Frog and called her Mary Antionfrog, in opposition to Mary Antionette.

It ruins the whole plot. It makes no sense. She should be taken out.

Leonardo · 02-18-2003, 02:19 AM

She ruins the whole dynamic foresome thing with her... being. She's like a shackle around the turtlefeet. A new weak ally that really doesnt do anything but get saved.... And her body structure is weeiiird... someone told me that the Next mutation was a bad copy of the Power Rangers... and I agree. Death to Venus De Milo!

*That Matt Guy* · 02-18-2003, 02:29 AM

Venus won't truly be dead until people quit talking about her, SO STOP IT!

**Karpo_007** · 02-18-2003, 07:47 AM

Well she is dead in every official TMNT form.

Aztec General · 02-18-2003, 10:06 AM

I thought Venus and the other new concepts on the Next Mutation were pure genius. I mean a female, secret, fifth turtle, and she knows MAGIC! Then there's the great villians....(smirks) Oh hell I can't even keep a straight face while typing this. Burn Next Mutation, burn, burn, burn!

Shellfox · 02-18-2003, 10:36 AM

Bah, I loved Venus, she wasn't usless, she just wasn't experianced. She went from a sheltered life where she was taught magic to a world were she was alone in her past, in a strange place, with people tring to kill her. It was massive culture shock people she wasn't usless.

And I stand by her being a good idea, its sabans that sucks, Venus was the most powerful person in the damn show, and the irradication of her is suck a biased and desrepectful way was a travisty.

Given time she could have been a great chacter, she just needed to be put in the right medium, with the right cretive forces

*heretic888* · 02-18-2003, 11:35 AM

well, i think venus (or character very similar to her) could be incorporated in the ninja turtle epic at some point.....

however, it is essential to remember that in the REAL turtle mythology, one of the big themes is the notion of isolation so much so that one can never really have a chance of perpetuating your 'kind' or of romantic involvement.... now, this may just be a stage in the characters' archetypal growth and such elements like venus could be incorporated later in.

now, the thing i DO have a problem with is not a fifth, female turtle.... that maybe feasible and acceptable at some point in the epic. no, i have a problem with venus' story itself. washed down the drain?? shinobi?? magic?? what the hell??? it has saban written all over it....

no, if we are gonna get venus or someone like her and put her in the tmnt epic than we need to radically rework her story. this 'shinobi' ("I'm not ninja, I am shinobi."

) bit ain't cuttin' it.....

**Kali** · 02-18-2003, 11:55 AM

There were so many other origins they could have used. Scientific experiment, genetic experimentation, radiation, a different canister of ooze, or maybe she just had no idea where she came from. Saban's story had a LOT of holes. The only thing she knew for certain was that she was found in a New York drainage ditch, they "filled in" the parts about her being in the jar with them and floating away. It's possible that never happened. I still say she's evil and is just biding her time until she can claim ultimate power for her own and take over the world. Bwahahahaha!

I so wanna buy her character rights. And maybe those of the other characters like Dragonlord and Bonesteel. Just spent all my cash on figures and socks, but I'm sure I can strike a deal with Peter. Then he'd have a good excuse for not using her: "I don't own her!"

*heretic888* · 02-18-2003, 11:58 AM

heh. if demilo tried to take over the world, she would so get her 'shinobi' ass kicked...

**HorseTechie** · 02-18-2003, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shellfox

she was a good concept with a bad execution. Maybe if they had introduced her in a comic or animated series she may have stuck but the fact that she came from the live action hurt her more than anything else.

Agreed.

You don't hear people moaning about Ninjara or Mona Lizard, now do yah?

*heretic888* · 02-18-2003, 12:03 PM

well, Mona Lisa WAS a lil' lame.....

Aztec General · 02-18-2003, 03:20 PM

Heretic is right, in the Mirage comics the TMNT isolation was a recurrent theme. One of the best examples was Vol. 1 Issue 28 by Jim Lawson. I believe it was titled "Sons of the Silent Age". An absolutely brilliant, yet depressing issue.

Sparvid · 02-18-2003, 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HorseTechie

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shellfox

she was a good concept with a bad execution. Maybe if they had introduced her in a comic or animated series she may have stuck but the fact that she came from the live action hurt her more than anything else.

Agreed.

You don't hear people moaning about Ninjara or Mona Lizard, now do yah?

Everybody loooves Ninjara, right?

02-17-2003, 01:41 PM	#1
mariomania Thug Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 90	VENUS...thank God she is scrap. WHo here hated the fact that a new female turtle was brought into the group? So glad the ydecided to scrap her,, was the stupidst thing they could have done,, the turtles should stay 4! Anyone here actually liked her/? __________________ A true ninja is a master of himself and his environment. So don't forget, WE"RE TURTLES!!!! ---- Leo TMNT II----

02-17-2003, 02:11 PM	#3
mariomania Thug Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 90	maybe they knew it was a mistake...like everyone else.. lol,,,was just stupid __________________ A true ninja is a master of himself and his environment. So don't forget, WE"RE TURTLES!!!! ---- Leo TMNT II----

02-18-2003, 02:19 AM	#9
Leonardo Mouser Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 9	She ruins the whole dynamic foresome thing with her... being. She's like a shackle around the turtlefeet. A new weak ally that really doesnt do anything but get saved.... And her body structure is weeiiird... someone told me that the Next mutation was a bad copy of the Power Rangers... and I agree. Death to Venus De Milo! __________________ LEO

02-18-2003, 10:06 AM	#12
Aztec General Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,437	I thought Venus and the other new concepts on the Next Mutation were pure genius. I mean a female, secret, fifth turtle, and she knows MAGIC! Then there's the great villians....(smirks) Oh hell I can't even keep a straight face while typing this. Burn Next Mutation, burn, burn, burn! __________________

02-18-2003, 11:35 AM	#14
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	hmmm well, i think venus (or character very similar to her) could be incorporated in the ninja turtle epic at some point..... however, it is essential to remember that in the REAL turtle mythology, one of the big themes is the notion of isolation so much so that one can never really have a chance of perpetuating your 'kind' or of romantic involvement.... now, this may just be a stage in the characters' archetypal growth and such elements like venus could be incorporated later in. now, the thing i DO have a problem with is not a fifth, female turtle.... that maybe feasible and acceptable at some point in the epic. no, i have a problem with venus' story itself. washed down the drain?? shinobi?? magic?? what the hell??? it has saban written all over it.... no, if we are gonna get venus or someone like her and put her in the tmnt epic than we need to radically rework her story. this 'shinobi' ("I'm not ninja, I am shinobi." ) bit ain't cuttin' it..... __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

02-17-2003, 02:08 PM	#2
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	raises her hand I liked the concept. Now, I'm not saying they should bring her back. The biggest problem I have with the choice to erase Venus from TMNT was the way they did it. They had incorporated her so deeply in the site and TMNT Letters (a sub-universe in itself) and then suddenly, she was gone from there. Very weak and lazy. Honestly, I would have preferred they kill her off instead. There are better ways to get rid of a character then "poof, she's gone!" If they'd gone about it with a little more creativity, it wouldn't bother me that much. I'd be like, "okay", then go about my business. But no, they had to cop out and be pathetic about it.

02-17-2003, 02:14 PM	#4
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	Yes, a mistake, but any half-decent artist knows how to cover up a mistake seamlessly. It's NOT that hard, they didn't have to draw attention to it.

02-17-2003, 10:24 PM	#6
Shellfox Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,234	she was a good concept with a bad execution. Maybe if they had introduced her in a comic or animated series she may have stuck but the fact that she came from the live action hurt her more than anything else.

02-18-2003, 01:01 AM	#8
ninjaturtles Random Punk Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 30	With Venus being a character. She ruins the whole plot. She is not like her turtle brothers, I mean, like one big difference is that they were named after painters from the Italin Reassisance and she was not, plus they were original characters. It is just like there being a new Punk Frog and called her Mary Antionfrog, in opposition to Mary Antionette. It ruins the whole plot. It makes no sense. She should be taken out.

02-18-2003, 02:29 AM	#10
That Matt Guy Honey Bunches Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Lone Star State Posts: 5,840	Venus won't truly be dead until people quit talking about her, SO STOP IT!

02-18-2003, 07:47 AM	#11
Karpo_007 Inactive Moderator Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 8,798	Well she is dead in every official TMNT form.

02-18-2003, 10:36 AM	#13
Shellfox Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,234	Bah, I loved Venus, she wasn't usless, she just wasn't experianced. She went from a sheltered life where she was taught magic to a world were she was alone in her past, in a strange place, with people tring to kill her. It was massive culture shock people she wasn't usless. And I stand by her being a good idea, its sabans that sucks, Venus was the most powerful person in the damn show, and the irradication of her is suck a biased and desrepectful way was a travisty. Given time she could have been a great chacter, she just needed to be put in the right medium, with the right cretive forces

02-18-2003, 11:55 AM	#15
Kali Inactive Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: California! Posts: 11,101	There were so many other origins they could have used. Scientific experiment, genetic experimentation, radiation, a different canister of ooze, or maybe she just had no idea where she came from. Saban's story had a LOT of holes. The only thing she knew for certain was that she was found in a New York drainage ditch, they "filled in" the parts about her being in the jar with them and floating away. It's possible that never happened. I still say she's evil and is just biding her time until she can claim ultimate power for her own and take over the world. Bwahahahaha! I so wanna buy her character rights. And maybe those of the other characters like Dragonlord and Bonesteel. Just spent all my cash on figures and socks, but I'm sure I can strike a deal with Peter. Then he'd have a good excuse for not using her: "I don't own her!"

02-18-2003, 11:58 AM	#16
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	heh heh. if demilo tried to take over the world, she would so get her 'shinobi' ass kicked... __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

02-18-2003, 12:03 PM	#18
heretic888 Foot Elite Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 3,344	hmmm well, Mona Lisa WAS a lil' lame..... __________________ "Ninpo began as training to become a moral people and to learn to endure in whatever social condition one is in; to know and accept one's fate, and to live for human beings and all other creatures. The person who masters all of these is a Ninja." (Masaaki Hatsumi)

02-18-2003, 03:20 PM	#19
Aztec General Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 1,437	Heretic is right, in the Mirage comics the TMNT isolation was a recurrent theme. One of the best examples was Vol. 1 Issue 28 by Jim Lawson. I believe it was titled "Sons of the Silent Age". An absolutely brilliant, yet depressing issue. __________________