Will the Nick show overshadow IDW's Turtles? - Page 2

~~Leo656~~ · 07-19-2012, 05:57 AM

Andrew: People like you and I, who would probably like a darker and more "mature" take on TMNT (although yours would be darker than mine, I'd imagine), I think we lost the "war" for the "soul" of TMNT a long time ago and it's never gonna change. It's officially a "Kids' Property", now and forever. No changing it. I gave up, just gonna enjoy what I can in what I'm given, since the alternative would be only to stop caring about TMNT entirely, which I refuse to do.

Ugh, I sound like a WWE mark. Ah well, s'truth.

*ToTheNines* · 07-19-2012, 06:42 AM

Turtles writer Kenny Byerly throws in his 2 cents.

"#TMNT fans on Technodrome forum ask: Will Nick Turtles overshadow IDW comics' version? For Nick's sake, they ****ing better."

Newton Gimmick · 07-19-2012, 07:01 AM

Nick's cartoon has already overshadowed IDW's comic. More people know about the Nick cartoon now than will EVER know about the IDW comic. One 5 second commercial on Nickelodeon reached more viewers than IDW will sell TMNT issues of comics in the next 20 years.

It's not really a big deal though. They're not competing. In many ways the cartoon will expose the characters to new fresh faces and maybe even reach some old familiar ones who forgot about the Turtles. Those people may seek out comics and low and behold, they'll likely find the IDW stuff.

So it's kind of a win-win.

No different than the Mirage/OT stuff except this time we probably won't have as much backlash from the "they ruined my gritty adult comic book" people, because the Turtles have had two very distinct brands for decades now: A small adult niche one and a massive kids mainstream one.

*pannoni1* · 07-19-2012, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Newton Gimmick

Nick's cartoon has already overshadowed IDW's comic. More people know about the Nick cartoon now than will EVER know about the IDW comic. One 5 second commercial on Nickelodeon reached more viewers than IDW will sell TMNT issues of comics in the next 20 years.

It's not really a big deal though. They're not competing. In many ways the cartoon will expose the characters to new fresh faces and maybe even reach some old familiar ones who forgot about the Turtles. Those people may seek out comics and low and behold, they'll likely find the IDW stuff.

So it's kind of a win-win.

No different than the Mirage/OT stuff except this time we probably won't have as much backlash from the "they ruined my gritty adult comic book" people, because the Turtles have had two very distinct brands for decades now: A small adult niche one and a massive kids mainstream one.

Don't forget the movie brand, which is sort of either independent of its self, or a hybrid of the two brands described above. In any case, I would hope Nick would actually entice more young people to pick up IDW later on, just like how I've picked up Mirage. If it weren't for the licensing of the TMNT back then, we probably wouldn't have had Return To New York, City at War, or all the other great storylines through the rest of Volume 1. The target audience for Nick simply won't find IDW age appropriate, though they might pick up a new incarnation of Adventures, similar to what Archie did for the OT. Please refer to the why the TMNT franchise is similar to Batman thread for a greater perspective. The main difference now is that the franchise is multi-generational. The moms and dads who watch Nick's series will perhaps enjoy the show with their kids, and the kids will really see this series as "home" to them, but the parents' will always see the OT or perhaps the 4kids series as "their home TMNT cartoon". Anyways, you do see Nickelodeon's logo in IDW issues, whereas you never saw MWS/4kids logo in Mirage's issues on the inside cover, which means that the comic and the cartoon have a better relationship than Mirage ever did with Fred Wolf/Lloyd Goldfine.

*ToTheNines* · 07-19-2012, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by pannoni1

Anyways, you do see Nickelodeon's logo in IDW issues, whereas you never saw MWS/4kids logo in Mirage's issues on the inside cover, which means that the comic and the cartoon have a better relationship than Mirage ever did with Fred Wolf/Lloyd Goldfine.

Mirage had a great relationship with Lloyd Goldfine. 4kids stuff was advertised in the Mirage books during the 2000's all the time.

*Allio* · 07-19-2012, 10:23 AM

Well animated shows do get more lime light than their comic counterparts, because there are those that like to watch more than read... hence why some don't like to watch subbed anime... I don't think I found out about the mirage comics until 2008 I believe

TurtleMaster4 · 07-19-2012, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by sdp

Comics are a dying niche entertainment medium, so it's irrelevant.

How in the world are comics dying, sure most people get their stuff from tv now, but comics dying, no way, i'm a teenager and all, and i'm totally into comics, how is comics dying?

*Mr.Turtle* · 07-19-2012, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

EVERYTHING overshadows IDW's universe. That book is, and always will be, a niche book for geeky brand loyalists.

wut r u talkin abt? be specific.

*CyberCubed* · 07-19-2012, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Turtles writer Kenny Byerly throws in his 2 cents.

"#TMNT fans on Technodrome forum ask: Will Nick Turtles overshadow IDW comics' version? For Nick's sake, they ****ing better."

LOL, this comment is hilarious. I guess he means the show needs to do really well to stay on the air as opposed to a monthly comic. lol.

*Mr.Turtle* · 07-19-2012, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ToTheNines

Turtles writer Kenny Byerly throws in his 2 cents.

"#TMNT fans on Technodrome forum ask: Will Nick Turtles overshadow IDW comics' version? For Nick's sake, they ****ing better."

why Kenny Byerly ?

*CyberCubed* · 03-10-2014, 12:24 PM

And here we are nearly 2 years later, and it did exactly just that.

*snake* · 03-10-2014, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

And here we are nearly 2 years later, and it did exactly just that.

Do you plot things out like this? Becuase this isn't the first time you've dug up a thread to say "x years later, y"

*Donatello19* · 03-10-2014, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

And here we are nearly 2 years later, and it did exactly just that.

Can't say I'm surprised. I mean, I never read the IDW comics and I'm sure they're great, but let's face it...there's no way a comic can stand a chance to an animated series with tons of advertising, merchandising and an entire action figure line...popularity wise, of course.

*BubblyShell22* · 03-10-2014, 05:05 PM

Well, I think the Nick show has overshadowed it because more kids watch TV than they read comics. But if the show is doing well, maybe kids will discover the comics through their parents. Plus, IDW's doing Animated Adventures, which is based on the Nick show so if kids want to, they can go and get those comic books. I've never read any of the comics, but that doesn't mean I won't get into them one day.

*Candy Kappa* · 03-10-2014, 05:14 PM

A cartoon more popular then the comic!?

I'm shocked

*JTH* · 03-10-2014, 05:47 PM

People are supposed to be surprised by this?

Comics are at their lowest readerships ever...

The comic industry is essentially dead compared to say 10-20 years ago because they completely ignored the 8-14 age demographic, and weren't building new fans.

The same age group show intends to attract...

*BabyTurtles* · 03-10-2014, 06:09 PM

cartoons are more viewed than comics.....I'm sure.

*Shark_Blade* · 03-10-2014, 06:35 PM

They already have.

Plus the art in IDW comic is inconsistent which constantly waiver my enjoyment. Sometimes Splinter looks ugly and fat (forget the artist's name but Splinter looks like Chinese), and mooncalfe's art.. turtles looking too much like cuddly teddy bears didn't really do it for me. It's only good in small dosages.

*CyberCubed* · 03-10-2014, 09:09 PM

I think its odd the IDW comic isn't more popular. Looking over the sales thread in the comic section, each issues sells roughly 16,000 copies. That means there are more or less 16,000 people (give or take, some people buy the same issue more than once for alternate covers), following it every month.

If it continues on like this the IDW TMNT universe might be the least popular universe overall. Even the Archie series sold gangbusters in its heyday, as well as the early Mirage issues.

*JTH* · 03-10-2014, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I think its odd the IDW comic isn't more popular. Looking over the sales thread in the comic section, each issues sells roughly 16,000 copies. That means there are more or less 16,000 people (give or take, some people buy the same issue more than once for alternate covers), following it every month.

If it continues on like this the IDW TMNT universe might be the least popular universe overall. Even the Archie series sold gangbusters in its heyday, as well as the early Mirage issues.

As I stated, the comic industry is dead...and it has been for quite a while.

07-19-2012, 10:23 AM	#26
Allio Foot Elite Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 4,208	Well animated shows do get more lime light than their comic counterparts, because there are those that like to watch more than read... hence why some don't like to watch subbed anime... I don't think I found out about the mirage comics until 2008 I believe __________________

03-10-2014, 05:05 PM	#34
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Well, I think the Nick show has overshadowed it because more kids watch TV than they read comics. But if the show is doing well, maybe kids will discover the comics through their parents. Plus, IDW's doing Animated Adventures, which is based on the Nick show so if kids want to, they can go and get those comic books. I've never read any of the comics, but that doesn't mean I won't get into them one day. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

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Candy Kappa The Agenda of Existing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vikingland Posts: 14,596	A cartoon more popular then the comic!? I'm shocked __________________ devianArt Instagram Youtube Tumblr Art Blog Patreon

03-10-2014, 06:09 PM	#37
BabyTurtles Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 4,177	cartoons are more viewed than comics.....I'm sure. __________________

07-19-2012, 05:57 AM	#21
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Andrew: People like you and I, who would probably like a darker and more "mature" take on TMNT (although yours would be darker than mine, I'd imagine), I think we lost the "war" for the "soul" of TMNT a long time ago and it's never gonna change. It's officially a "Kids' Property", now and forever. No changing it. I gave up, just gonna enjoy what I can in what I'm given, since the alternative would be only to stop caring about TMNT entirely, which I refuse to do. Ugh, I sound like a WWE mark. Ah well, s'truth.

07-19-2012, 06:42 AM	#22
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,354	Turtles writer Kenny Byerly throws in his 2 cents. "#TMNT fans on Technodrome forum ask: Will Nick Turtles overshadow IDW comics' version? For Nick's sake, they ****ing better."

07-19-2012, 07:01 AM	#23
Newton Gimmick Mad Scientist Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,154	Nick's cartoon has already overshadowed IDW's comic. More people know about the Nick cartoon now than will EVER know about the IDW comic. One 5 second commercial on Nickelodeon reached more viewers than IDW will sell TMNT issues of comics in the next 20 years. It's not really a big deal though. They're not competing. In many ways the cartoon will expose the characters to new fresh faces and maybe even reach some old familiar ones who forgot about the Turtles. Those people may seek out comics and low and behold, they'll likely find the IDW stuff. So it's kind of a win-win. No different than the Mirage/OT stuff except this time we probably won't have as much backlash from the "they ruined my gritty adult comic book" people, because the Turtles have had two very distinct brands for decades now: A small adult niche one and a massive kids mainstream one.

03-10-2014, 12:24 PM	#31
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,872	And here we are nearly 2 years later, and it did exactly just that.

03-10-2014, 05:47 PM	#36
JTH "ME" Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 1,660	People are supposed to be surprised by this? Comics are at their lowest readerships ever... The comic industry is essentially dead compared to say 10-20 years ago because they completely ignored the 8-14 age demographic, and weren't building new fans. The same age group show intends to attract...

03-10-2014, 06:35 PM	#38
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	They already have. Plus the art in IDW comic is inconsistent which constantly waiver my enjoyment. Sometimes Splinter looks ugly and fat (forget the artist's name but Splinter looks like Chinese), and mooncalfe's art.. turtles looking too much like cuddly teddy bears didn't really do it for me. It's only good in small dosages.

03-10-2014, 09:09 PM	#39
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,872	I think its odd the IDW comic isn't more popular. Looking over the sales thread in the comic section, each issues sells roughly 16,000 copies. That means there are more or less 16,000 people (give or take, some people buy the same issue more than once for alternate covers), following it every month. If it continues on like this the IDW TMNT universe might be the least popular universe overall. Even the Archie series sold gangbusters in its heyday, as well as the early Mirage issues.